80km speed limit to slow with trailer!

Arrow in the Knee · 12-07-2015 07:02PM #1

As above.

Justjens · 12-07-2015 07:47PM

Try stopping when you're loaded, then it's too fast

Arrow in the Knee · 12-07-2015 07:51PM

Justjens wrote: »

Try stopping when you're loaded, then it's too fast

On regional roads that are 60km or 80km speed limits its okay.

But when your on a dual carriageway or motorway it seems fairly slow.

Username John · 12-07-2015 07:57PM

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

On regional roads that are 60km or 80km speed limits its okay.

But when your on a dual carriageway or motorway it seems fairly slow.

Maybe, but then 100kph on a motorway with a trailer bouncing all over the road behind you seems a bit fast?

Plus - how many people travel with trailers on motorways, vs the number that travel on standard 100kph national roads?

Miname · 12-07-2015 08:22PM

Username John wrote: »

Maybe, but then 100kph on a motorway with a trailer bouncing all over the road behind you seems a bit fast?

Plus - how many people travel with trailers on motorways, vs the number that travel on standard 100kph national roads?

Regularly on motorways with trailers. 100kph with a trailer with the right vehicle is no issue.

Username John · 12-07-2015 08:28PM

Miname wrote: »

Regularly on motorways with trailers. 100kph with a trailer with the right vehicle is no issue.

But this is it - the right vehicle.

How do you legislate for that? Is the weight confusion not enough that we now have to add another level to it for some other combination that's allowed go 100kph?

Grueller · 12-07-2015 08:33PM

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

On regional roads that are 60km or 80km speed limits its okay.

But when your on a dual carriageway or motorway it seems fairly slow.

Ever have a loaded trailer start to sway behind you at say 90-100 kmh? I have and 80 is plenty fast. That is also with a trailer in pergect condition and a good towing vehicle (rated for 3 tonne).

Miname · 12-07-2015 08:36PM

Grueller wrote: »

Ever have a loaded trailer start to sway behind you at say 90-100 kmh? I have and 80 is plenty fast. That is also with a trailer in pergect condition and a good towing vehicle (rated for 3 tonne).

I've had and the main cause was the way I had it loaded.

Grueller · 12-07-2015 08:39PM

Miname wrote: »

I've had and the main cause was the way I had it loaded.

Most of the times I haul it is with livestock loaded. They can't be rachet strapped in place unfortunately.

Arrow in the Knee · 12-07-2015 08:42PM

Grueller wrote: »

Ever have a loaded trailer start to sway behind you at say 90-100 kmh? I have and 80 is plenty fast. That is also with a trailer in pergect condition and a good towing vehicle (rated for 3 tonne).

What were you towing?

My original post was towing with an ïempty trailer or with livestock in it.

Not a trailer stacked full of big square bales, tilting to the side slightly and saying to myself I hope I get passed him.

Edit: Didn't see Greullers last comment. Too quick for me.

Farmer Pudsey · 12-07-2015 08:58PM

Heavy goods are in much the same situtation they are limited to 90KPH. That was only increased to 90 in 2012. The issue is how do you legislate for the unknown. How can you differ in law between hay or cattle. Or if a lad has a load not balanced right. This is more likely to happen with a trailer behind a car or 4WD rather than on a truck.

mf240 · 12-07-2015 08:59PM

Are we talking about a 92 carina with five bullocks in an ifor williams.

Or a 151 bmw with a jack russel in a single axle dog box.

Base price · 12-07-2015 10:04PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Heavy goods are in much the same situtation they are limited to 90KPH. That was only increased to 90 in 2012. The issue is how do you legislate for the unknown. How can you differ in law between hay or cattle. Or if a lad has a load not balanced right. This is more likely to happen with a trailer behind a car or 4WD rather than on a truck.

Really, that is news to me.
When I did my "C" theory test last year (which included "CE") the speed limit on motorways for such vehicles was 80kph.
Speed limiters are fitted to all commercial vehicles and are checked on the annual test as are manual and electronic tachographs.
I didn't realise that you could blaze down the motorway at 90kph with a load of anything on board and overtake Stobart, Glanbia trucks doing 80kph.

Farmer Pudsey · 12-07-2015 10:09PM

Base price wrote: »

Really, that is news to me.
When I did my "C" theory test last year (which included "CE") the speed limit on motorways for such vehicles was 80kph.
Speed limiters are fitted to all commercial vehicles and are checked on the annual test as are manual and electronic tachographs.
I didn't realise that you could blaze down the motorway at 90kph with a load of anything on board and overtake Stobart, Glanbia trucks doing 80kph.

Did not relize it myself until I came across it a few months ago.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0075.html

mayota · 12-07-2015 10:10PM

Base price wrote: »

Really, that is news to me.
When I did my "C" theory test last year (which included "CE") the speed limit on motorways for such vehicles was 80kph.
Speed limiters are fitted to all commercial vehicles and are checked on the annual test as are manual and electronic tachographs.
I didn't realise that you could blaze down the motorway at 90kph with a load of anything on board and overtake Stobart, Glanbia trucks doing 80kph.

The limiters are set at 90 and most trucks are doing this and not just on motorways.

Muckit · 12-07-2015 10:21PM

Live loads are more dangerous than static. Just goes to show what some lads know. One or two cattle in a 12' box way more dangerous than the worse stacked load of hay.

And you don't have more stopping power just because you are driving ob a motorway.

What does the big blue sign say before you go onto the motorway?
'No animals.' (Among other things). I presume this means droving of loose animals or horseriding etc..

But I've always wondered if it was taken to its ultimate conclusion in a court of law what way it would go.... ie could it also mean animals in transport.

Base price · 12-07-2015 10:31PM

mayota wrote: »

The limiters are set at 90 and most trucks are doing this and not just on motorways.

Limiters are set at 90kph for overtaking purposes only on motorways.
Legal limit on motorway's is 80kph for commercial vehicles and a vehicle drawing a trailer.
I hauled cattle & horses up and down the country in a jeep & trailer/horsebox to shows since 1986.
I have no problem with the 80kph restriction on motorways.
The other thing that needs to be mentioned is the fact that professional hauliers (CPC holders) are bound by the law. They have to have their vehicles & trailers tested annually.
However, every Tom, Dick and Henrietta can put a wreck of a trailer (as long as it has a few lights, no breaks and not tested annually) behind their car/jeep/tractor and commercially haul cattle, hay/straw or whatever to every nook and cranny in the country.
Also the fact that the lads hauling commercially with a tractor are getting away using green diesel.
My blood is starting to boil.

Base price · 12-07-2015 10:33PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Did not relize it myself until I came across it a few months ago.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0075.html

Thanks for the link Puds. I will have a read through it tomorrow.

Victor · 12-07-2015 10:51PM

Base price wrote: »

Limiters are set at 90kph for overtaking purposes only on motorways.
Legal limit on motorway's is 80kph for commercial vehicles and a vehicle drawing a trailer.

As noted in other posts, certain changes were made in 2012.

Base price · 12-07-2015 11:26PM

Victor wrote: »

As noted in other posts, certain changes were made in 2012.

As posted above I have not had the opportunity to read Pud's link.
Question - how come OH's vehicle has been officially tested trice since 2012 and the governor/speed limiter thingie has not been altered to reflect this new legislation.
When you hit 82/83 the governor kicks in..

slimjimmc · 12-07-2015 11:52PM

Muckit wrote: »

:
What does the big blue sign say before you go onto the motorway?
'No animals.' (Among other things). I presume this means droving of loose animals or horseriding etc..

But I've always wondered if it was taken to its ultimate conclusion in a court of law what way it would go.... ie could it also mean animals in transport.

Exactly. It means no animals to be on the motorway itself not no animals to be in vehicles on the motorway.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1993/en/act/pub/0014/sec0043.html#sec43

(4) (a) Pedestrians and pedal cyclists shall not use a motorway.

(b) Persons in charge of, or having control over, animals shall not permit them to be on a motorway.

_Brian · 13-07-2015 12:04AM

I think we need to remember that legislation is a very broad tool.
It needs to facilitate for so many variables that often conservative stances are taken.
80kph may seem slow for an experienced driver in good weather and luck on their side, but it must also legislate for less experienced drivers who may be out in less than ideal conditions and then take into account that **** happens !!

As iften as not it's the person who thinks they should be allowed to go faster is te person not fully understanding their position and the inherent dangers in increasing their speed.

80/90 kph with a trailer is fine.
Relax, youll get tere, leave 20 minutes earlier if ya need.

Grueller · 13-07-2015 09:15AM

_Brian wrote: »

I think we need to remember that legislation is a very broad tool.
It needs to facilitate for so many variables that often conservative stances are taken.
80kph may seem slow for an experienced driver in good weather and luck on their side, but it must also legislate for less experienced drivers who may be out in less than ideal conditions and then take into account that **** happens !!

As iften as not it's the person who thinks they should be allowed to go faster is te person not fully understanding their position and the inherent dangers in increasing their speed.

80/90 kph with a trailer is fine.
Relax, youll get tere, leave 20 minutes earlier if ya need.

Very true post.
Did anyone else see the prime time or crime call, not sure which, where two mondeos left Dublin together. They drove to Westport. One at 90kph, the other at 100kph I think. The time differential was seven minutes on what was a very long journey, much longer than your average trailer journey.
My memory is sketchy but the seven minutes and 10km/ph speed difference are accurate so relax. I saw a neighbour with five bulling heifers in a trailer have a smack here a couple of years ago and it was some mess. Trailer wrote off, jeep cost €4200 to repair and two heifers had to be put down.
Taught me a lesson anyway.

rangler1 · 13-07-2015 10:34AM

Grueller wrote: »

Very true post.
Did anyone else see the prime time or crime call, not sure which, where two mondeos left Dublin together. They drove to Westport. One at 90kph, the other at 100kph I think. The time differential was seven minutes on what was a very long journey, much longer than your average trailer journey.
My memory is sketchy but the seven minutes and 10km/ph speed difference are accurate so relax. I saw a neighbour with five bulling heifers in a trailer have a smack here a couple of years ago and it was some mess. Trailer wrote off, jeep cost €4200 to repair and two heifers had to be put down.
Taught me a lesson anyway.

I don't know what the limiters on the lorries are supposed to be, but I do know that you're in their way if you're doing less that 100kph on motorways, they hate having to go out in the outside lane and maybe take two miles to pass you.

doolox · 13-07-2015 10:45AM

...at anything less than 100kph with a truck on the leftmost lane and you will soon know that they are doing 100 kph. The entering traffic are officially supposed to increase from 30kph to 100 kph in a matter of 50 meters. Impossible to do.

_Brian · 13-07-2015 12:21PM

I pull the caravan a good bit on motorways both here and in France.

I find best to match your speed to the trucks on the road. They travel 80-90kph fairly consistently.

If I'm on a longer stretch I'll stick on the CC, adjust to keep up with but back from the trucks. I don't need to overtake them and as your at their limit they have no need to overtake me. It makes for leisurely driving, no chance of snaking and stopping is easy.

I was travelling down the M11 two years ago and a hero in an Avensis with a larger caravan than mine overtook me, I was doing a steady 85kph. The caravan started to snake and the whole thing got really badly out of shape, through either good driving or luck he managed to regain control but he could easily have wiped both of us and our families off the road. Passed him a few minutes later in a lay bye and he and the mrs were having a shouting match.

Car/jeep and trailer gets out of shape really quickly, why in earth would anyone risk that.

Arrow in the Knee · 13-07-2015 12:24PM

_Brian wrote: »

I pull the caravan a good bit on motorways both here and in France.

I find best to match your speed to the trucks on the road. They travel 80-90kph fairly consistently.

If I'm on a longer stretch I'll stick on the CC, adjust to keep up with but back from the trucks. I don't need to overtake them and as your at their limit they have no need to overtake me. It makes for leisurely driving, no chance of snaking and stopping is easy.

I was travelling down the M11 two years ago and a hero in an Avensis with a larger caravan than mine overtook me, I was doing a steady 85kph. The caravan started to snake and the whole thing got really badly out of shape, through either good driving or luck he managed to regain control but he could easily have wiped both of us and our families off the road. Passed him a few minutes later in a lay bye and he and the mrs were having a shouting match.

Car/jeep and trailer gets out of shape really quickly, why in earth would anyone risk that.

Top Gear have already shown how bad caravans really are on a number of occasions!

Farmer Pudsey · 13-07-2015 12:25PM

rangler1 wrote: »

I don't know what the limiters on the lorries are supposed to be, but I do know that you're in their way if you're doing less that 100kph on motorways, they hate having to go out in the outside lane and maybe take two miles to pass you.

I think it is illegal for trucks to go in outside lane of motoway. It is in France anyway. I think it is the same here but not enforced.

gctest50 · 13-07-2015 12:36PM

would this sort of yoke be better ?

foxy farmer · 13-07-2015 12:46PM

gctest50 wrote: »

would this sort of yoke be better ?

The allowed payload on a transit is around 1200kgs. Put 2 big bullocks into that and you'd be illegal on the road. Trailer behind a transit could carry upto 2500kgs

Green farmer · 13-07-2015 04:47PM

That transit looks like a double axel rear wheel one. Start with 3,500kg, subtract the chassis cab itself, possibly 1,500 kg , subtract the demountable ifor box, possibly another 1,000kg and your left with 1,000kg payload, maximum. A small 8ft livestock trailer behind your car might carry as much, without the added running costs.

80km speed limit to slow with trailer!

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