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Caitlyn/Bruce Jenner...

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  • #32
    allym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭allym


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Primarily because she was invited. You don't ring Vanity Fair and ask to be photographed by Annie Liebovitz and put on the front cover.
    I'd imagine it's also largeley due to a desire to normaise the concept of transgender as there's still an absurd level of prejudice against transgender people.
    And also probably personal pride at having finally become the person she knew she was.
    And yes, lots of other people are transgender individuals, but they're not world-famous Olympians and reality-tv stars, so they wouldn't attract the attention of your average Vanity-Fair cover star.

    Even if she had done this due to emotional issues (which is highly doubtful as few professionals would ok the procedure if there were doubts about her mental state), so what? It's her life, it doesn't affect you.

    This. I have immense respect for the whole family for doing this in the public eye. When someone so well known does something "unusual" it normalises it, which helps others who are dealing with their own issues.

    And to those saying he's doing it for attention :rolleyes:

    Bruce has said that he has known since he was a child that he was a woman. It's only now he has enough strength to become the woman she is.


  • #33
    Magico Gonzalez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    I've seen a good few articles that say BJ probably has some issues and this may not make him happy in the long run. One I believe was written by some psychologist. The articles I've read raised some good points and I did find myself agreeing with most of what was said

    Haha, a good few articles!...in gossip magazines. Right.

    "Some pyschologist"

    Profound indeed.

    I do recommend having a read through the transgender AMA on boards here.

    You might find it more illuminating than click bait articles.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057391372


  • #34
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    Interested does not mean "affects my life" as you said.

    Now please, where did I say it affected my life?

    You didn't, and it didn't literally mean it affects your life.

    "How does this affect your life?" is an idiomatic phrase meaning "Why do you care?," "Why does it bother you?" or "So what?"


  • #35
    Sheep Lover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    You didn't, and it didn't literally mean it affects your life.

    "How does this affect your life?" is an idiomatic phrase meaning "Why do you care?," "Why does it bother you?" or "So what?"

    Well it's a discussion board, there's a big clue in "discussion"...


  • #36
    Sunny Dayz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    And Kim Kardashian announced last night/ this morning that's she's expecting - talk about trying to take away the attention, Kim that is!!


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  • #37
    RentDayBlues
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    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    I've seen a good few articles that say BJ probably has some issues and this may not make him happy in the long run. One I believe was written by some psychologist. The articles I've read raised some good points and I did find myself agreeing with most of what was said

    And? He/she felt like a woman trapped in a mans body so he/she decided to change that. I think that's pretty much the bones of it, what issues exactly do you believe he/she has that need to be solved?


  • #38
    Gatling
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  • #39
    Tasden
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    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    Meh, him/her and their whole family are one rolling reality show. If anyone thinks this was done without even a thought about publicity then they need their head examined.

    What was the need to pose on Vanity Fair after your gender re assignment? Loads go through the same procedure without the need to appear on a magazine after...

    Her.

    And the media hounded Bruce while he was transitioning, so much so he felt he had to speak out about it rather than transition privately. If she does an interview and "comes out" so to speak it's on her terms and its in the open. Loads go through the same procedure in private and have their "coming out" to friends and family without the intrusion of the media and thousands of ignorant people posting nasty comments online about them.


  • #40
    Emsloe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭Emsloe


    Looks great and takes some bravery to do it.

    OP those undergoing gender reassignment usually have a lot of medical (and psychological) support to get there so don't sweat it.


  • #41
    Stheno
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    Tasden wrote: »
    Her.

    And the media hounded Bruce while he was transitioning, so much so he felt he had to speak out about it rather than transition privately. If she does an interview and "comes out" so to speak it's on her terms and its in the open. Loads go through the same procedure in private and have their "coming out" to friends and family without the intrusion of the media and thousands of ignorant people posting nasty comments online about them.
    Exactly

    No one goes through this for publicity


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  • #42
    beyondbelief67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭beyondbelief67


    I think she looks amazing, she waited long enough to be who she is, and live her life the way she wanted to and all the power and strength to her to be happy.


  • #43
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Fudge You wrote: »
    You are gonna be fudged when Links comes along.

    You'll regret starting this thread.
    I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the show.

    See ya pal.
    Stheno wrote: »
    Links is gonna eat op alive that second link is pretty extreme

    By "eat op alive" I hope you mean that I'm gonna politely inform them that no, being transgender is not a mental disorder, that every serious medical institute says it's not a disorder, and that all scientific evidence we have on the subject so far is showing that it something that someone is born with? Because I don't think I'm coming across any way other than polite and informative and hopefully sometimes funny too?

    Edit: And yeah, that second link is some seriously nasty **** :o


  • #44
    Stheno
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    Links234 wrote: »
    By "eat op alive" I hope you mean that I'm gonna politely inform them that no, being transgender is not a mental disorder, that every serious medical institute says it's not a disorder, and that all scientific evidence we have on the subject so far is showing that it something that someone is born with? Because I don't think I'm coming across any way other than polite and informative and hopefully sometimes funny too?

    Yes, could have worded it better myself :)

    I.e you will be able to refute the pseudo science links etc


  • #45
    _Whimsical_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,993 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    I have no problem with the gender reassignment business if that's what he/she felt was necessary but I think it's really selfish of her to launch this lifestyle on the front of a magazine in an underwear shoot. Posing in your knickers has very little to do with being a woman, I don't see it as an expression of femininity or a female identity, just a cheap attention seeking ploy. She still had kids in their teens. Its way too much for a parent to throw at young kids.


  • #46
    Sheep Lover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    So you change your gender and then appear on Vanity Fair for publicity? How is this not partly a publicity stunt?


  • #47
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    Bruce Jenner is now a woman and has unveiled a new look on the cover of Vanity Fair! http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/caitlyn-jenner-bruce-cover-annie-leibovitz To me, it seems like gender reassignment isn't the answer. Obviously someone who does something like this would have deep rooted issues and surely he needs help with his mind, not his body? :/


    Well of course they have deep-rooted issues, and transitioning is only one of the ways in which people who are transgender are able to receive help in the form of counselling long before they ever undergo any hormone treatments or cosmetic surgery procedures to alter their physical appearance.

    I say this as I read this article which has SOME great points although a lot is very extreme and could have been written wth more compassion. http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man/


    "Professional truth teller"? From the off, that guy is simply a wind-up merchant, and that article isn't even worth taking seriously. I don't think he made any great points at all, and there are far better and more useful resources out there if you would like to understand transgenderism.

    I do feel for his daughters, it must be so utterly surreal for them!


    Yep, I'd agree with this alright, especially given how his daughters and his ex-wife Kris are having to come to terms with the fact that the person they knew as their father has effectively had to live a lie for most of her life. They're having to come to terms with Bruce's transformation into Caitlyn in the glare of the media spotlight and it can't be and won't be easy for them.

    These people may be celebrities, but at the end of the day they're all still human beings like any of the rest of us.


  • #48
    PropJoe10
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    This is pure attention seeking crap. How this is even making the news is anyone's guess.


  • #49
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    Anyone remember how he/she/whatever killed someone with their car? No?

    Having your actions being whitewashed because you've done something "progressive" is not alright


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Clandestine wrote: »
    Anyone remember how he/she/whatever killed someone with their car? No?

    Dehumanisation level 100000.


  • #51
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Stheno wrote: »
    Yes, could have worded it better myself :)

    I.e you will be able to refute the pseudo science links etc

    I dunno, there's not much in the way of pseudo science to refute, folks generally seem positive in this thread, and saying she's doing it for the attention? Well, that's just idiotic and not even in need of comment. Yeah, I mean there's really not much for me to do here apart from say fair play to her, and I think things for trans people have reached a real tipping point lately. There's still a lot of nastiness, but it doesn't so much feel like "us vs. the world" any more. And that's nice :)

    Now I'll be off ;)


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  • #52
    DoYouEvenLift
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    Why does anyone care about him or anyone else in that family? They've done absolutely nothing worthy of admiration. At least actual celebs have some bit of talent to contribute to the world which in turn earns them money but these fukwits are considered celebs by some for what, exactly?


  • #53
    Stheno
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    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    This is pure attention seeking crap. How this is even making the news is anyone's guess.

    You seriously think that someone will go through extensive and intrusive psychiatric evaluation, prolonged hormonal treatment, multiple surgeries, and having to help their family accept their gender change, as a publicity stunt? All the while having the paps and gutter press endlessly stalking them and constantly speculating?


  • #54
    Clandestine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    Stheno wrote: »
    You seriously think that someone will go through extensive and intrusive psychiatric evaluation, prolonged hormonal treatment, multiple surgeries, and having to help their family accept their gender change, as a publicity stunt?
    Well, it wouldn't be out of character for this family


  • #55
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    So you change your gender and then appear on Vanity Fair for publicity? How is this not partly a publicity stunt?

    I read an article today in the paper about the F.A Cup Final, the match was just a publicity stunt!
    Shortly after Eddie Redmayne won the Best-Actor Oscar he was on the cover of a magazine! What a publicity stunt!!

    Just because a case gains publicity doesn't mean a publicity stunt is involved. That's a big leap of logic. Famous people doing notable things attract attention and magazines are often interested in interviewing them.
    Caitlyn Jenner is a very famous person who's done something very notable: publicity is inevitable.
    Also, there's lots of prejudice and misunderstanding about transgender issues: it's entirely conceivable that someone would seek to normalise transgenderism and to also publicise their pride at finally being able to express who they really are.

    I find it bizarre that someone could assume it's a publicity stunt when that's not an obvious conclusion to come to.


  • #56
    Sheep Lover
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    Clandestine wrote: »
    Well, it wouldn't be out of character for this family

    Exactly, people forget how low these kinds of attention cravers will go to feed their habit, no bad publicity if you will.


  • #57
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    DoYouEvenLift wrote: »
    Why does anyone care about him or anyone else in that family? They've done absolutely nothing worthy of admiration. At least actual celebs have some bit of talent to contribute to the world which in turn earns them money but these fukwits are considered celebs by some for what, exactly?

    Yeah, I mean, hasn't everyone won the Olympic Gold medal for the Decathlon by now!?


  • #58
    Saralee4
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    I think that the family as a whole have used the media in nearly all of their personal life and life choices in general so for her to try to hide her situation now is only doing what she has done for her whole life. its going to come out anyway so she may as well do it in a way where she has more control of what is said.

    She has probably had a lot of pain keeping this a secret not to mention the people that she has hurt by lying to them for years and years i.e Kris Jenner and her were together for something like 25 years. I think Kris knew about cross dressing but not that she felt stuck in a mans body.

    I suppose she just wants to free herself of all the lying, come clean and also make it easier and more acceptable for other people who feel this way to be open about it from the beginning rather than getting caught up in a lie for years and years.


  • #59
    sunshine and showers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    She's hotter than I'll ever be.


  • #60
    DoYouEvenLift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Yeah, I mean, hasn't everyone won the Olympic Gold medal for the Decathlon by now!?


    Defending the Kardashians, lmao @ you


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  • #61
    Gatling
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    Clandestine wrote: »
    Anyone remember how he/she/whatever killed someone with their car? No?

    Having your actions being whitewashed because you've done something "progressive" is not alright

    it was a simple 3 car accident that the authorities haven't publicly stated blame to who and what caused the fatal crash
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