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  • #1232
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Sand wrote: »
    Fair enough - I read the moving on to the next conflict, whilst brushing off the behaviour in the last conflict as sociopathic, but if you are apologising for the hurt caused then I suppose that cant be true.

    Being a political activist means there's always the next conflict is always around the corner. New alliances are made and battle commences until a result is reached.

    I've yet to be shown something I should apologise for by the way. :) But feel free to trawl through my posts and find offence.


  • #1233
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,180 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Being a political activist means there's always the next conflict is always around the corner. New alliances are made and battle commences until a result is reached.

    I've yet to be shown something I should apologise for by the way. :) But feel free to trawl through my posts and find offence.

    Like I said elsewhere, the problem with Irish politics is not the Irish voter, its the Irish political caste. Very surprising the Labour party is so unpopular.


  • #1234
    United Chester Men
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭United Chester Men


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Being a political activist means there's always the next conflict is always around the corner. New alliances are made and battle commences until a result is reached.

    I've yet to be shown something I should apologise for by the way. :) But feel free to trawl through my posts and find offence.

    Is this what you call political activism............................!!! :D


  • #1235
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    United Chester Men wrote: »
    Is this what you call political activism............................!!! :D

    I've been involved in many campaigns. Really enjoyed it too.


  • #1236
    United Chester Men
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭United Chester Men


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I've been involved in many campaigns. Really enjoyed it too.

    I'll resist this one................. It is far too easy!


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  • #1237
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    United Chester Men wrote: »
    I'll resist this one................. It is far too easy!

    Whats up with you?

    Is it something I've said thats got up your nose?


  • #1238
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Being a political activist means there's always the next conflict is always around the corner. New alliances are made and battle commences until a result is reached.

    I've yet to be shown something I should apologise for by the way. :) But feel free to trawl through my posts and find offence.

    I think you are either astoundingly un-self aware, or you are Walter Mitty. There does not seem to be any similarities between who you think you are and how you come across.
    To have a mass said for those who would deny others equal rights is crass in the extreme.
    Have you considered that you might be working for the Father of Lies and I dont mean John Waters.


  • #1239
    United Chester Men
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭United Chester Men


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Whats up with you?

    Is it something I've said thats got up your nose?

    Yep, its like a laughing gas!! I thank you for it! keep it coming!


  • #1240
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    I think you are either astoundingly un-self aware, or you are Walter Mitty. There does not seem to be any similarities between who you think you are and how you come across.
    To have a mass said for those who would deny others equal rights is crass in the extreme.
    Have you considered that you might be working for the Father of Lies and I dont mean John Waters.

    I'm not here to re-fight the campaign, though I disagree with your premise on wishing to deny rights.

    I'm a Catholic, I have Masses said frequently.

    You can throw around slurs like Walter Mitty. but in reality, this is about your issue with people of a Catholic persuasion.

    You're not alone either. But projecting the issues on to me won't cut it. :)


  • #1241
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    United Chester Men wrote: »
    Yep, its like a laughing gas!! I thank you for it! keep it coming!

    Nope, I still don't get you.


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  • #1242
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I'm not here to re-fight the campaign, though I disagree with your premise on wishing to deny rights.

    I'm a Catholic, I have Masses said frequently.

    You can throw around slurs like Walter Mitty. but in reality, this is about your issue with people of a Catholic persuasion.

    You're not alone either. But projecting the issues on to me won't cut it. :)



    Talk about doing anything to portray yourself as the victim.


  • #1243
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I'm not here to re-fight the campaign, though I disagree with your premise on wishing to deny rights.

    I'm a Catholic, I have Masses said frequently.

    You can throw around slurs like Walter Mitty. but in reality, this is about your issue with people of a Catholic persuasion.

    You're not alone either. But projecting the issues on to me won't cut it. :)

    Damn you got me. I dont think catholics should be allowed to marry.
    Also there has been a campaign of people responding to your posts like it was a bleedïn discussion or something.


  • #1244
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I'm not here to re-fight the campaign, though I disagree with your premise on wishing to deny rights.

    I'm a Catholic, I have Masses said frequently.

    You can throw around slurs like Walter Mitty. but in reality, this is about your issue with people of a Catholic persuasion.

    You're not alone either. But projecting the issues on to me won't cut it. :)

    If you get upset when someone takes the piss out of you, imagine how you would feel if you couldnt have a mass said for people who kick dogs or another of your cause du jour .


  • #1245
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Alphared... Black Menorca or whatever you are going by on your current log in. Genuine question. Seeing that there were so many masses said for this amendment to fail do you agree that it was gods will for it to pass and for everyone to accept that gay people exist and have rights too?


  • #1246
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    If you get upset when someone takes the piss out of you, imagine how you would feel if you couldnt have a mass said for people who kick dogs or another of your cause du jour .

    It doesn't upset me. I mere;y don't allow folk project their own issues on to me. :)


  • #1247
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    traprunner wrote: »
    Alphared... Black Menorca or whatever you are going by on your current log in. Genuine question. Seeing that there were so many masses said for this amendment to fail do you agree that it was gods will for it to pass and for everyone to accept that gay people exist and have rights too?

    Alphared?


  • #1248
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Alphared?

    So is it not gods will after all the masses were said??


  • #1249
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    It doesn't upset me. I mere;y don't allow folk project their own issues on to me. :)

    You mean like how you have being using this referendum to promote your own prejudices?


  • #1250
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    You mean like how you have being using this referendum to promote your own prejudices?

    Heck, I'm human. I'm full of contradictions, ironies, faults and enthusiasm for what I do.

    But I do try to keep my integrity intact. When I advocate for something, I do so from a place of responsibility and genuine belief it is best for the country. Sometimes I'm on the side of the angels and sometimes that of the devils.

    I'd not have it any other way.


  • #1251
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    traprunner wrote: »
    So is it not gods will after all the masses were said??

    Alphared?


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  • #1252
    traprunner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Alphared?

    Are you afraid to answer my question about Yes winning being gods will?


  • #1253
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,252 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    traprunner wrote: »
    Are you afraid to answer my question about Yes winning being gods will?
    I'm not Catholic but will answer you on this one.
    From my reading of the bible I see that there are times God says ,you don't want to keep me in your knowledge, so if you want it so much, you can have it.
    Its not my will you having it and there are consequences you having your way but go ahead.


  • #1254
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,693 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    traprunner wrote: »
    Alphared... Black Menorca or whatever you are going by on your current log in.

    I was thinking Silvio but he doesn't seem to have that nasty edge...


  • #1255
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    traprunner wrote: »
    Are you afraid to answer my question about Yes winning being gods will?

    Alphared?


  • #1256
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    For the record, I have never runaway from answering questions I feel competent to comment on. But trap has made a statement about myself being a sock account. Either trap backs it up or retracts it. then I will happily answer as best I can.


  • #1257
    United Chester Men
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭United Chester Men


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    For the record, I have never runaway from answering questions I feel competent to comment on. But trap has made a statement about myself being a sock account. Either trap backs it up or retracts it. then I will happily answer as best I can.

    I am sure it was just a bona fide error by Trap. Just like when for a split second , after you claimed you were a political activist, I raised my eyebrows and thought you were merely just a Boards.ie "debater". Of course I have since seen the error of my ways.



    So, what now, what do you fear will be the reprecussions of this Vote Passing. For such a rigurous campaign by the No side, what damage do you see for the future that is far greater than equality in marriage which was the aim of the referendum proposition in the first place.

    there is a question.

    I refer you to my response to a NO advocate yesterday when I asked hem the same question.

    His answer was ......." my fear is for the child being picked on in school for having two mams or two dads, many young children do not know the concept of being gay and they will not understand why that one child in a class does not have a mother and a father like everyone else, this could have big effects on the child making him/ her feel inferior to all the other children because they do not have a mother and father like everyone else"

    To which my response was........................

    "Seriously, this is what your argument is based on!!!! The fact that other kids will pick on children in the playground ...........

    Note: Children will always pick on eachother for different reasons and one of the worst one was for a teenager the last 2/3 decades growing up gay when being gay was seen as abnormal, inferior, wierd, etc. Children were alienated because of it, many psychologically damaged, depression and of course WORSE. So to give gay people equal status you don't seem to think tolerance/acceptance and normalisation of same sex relationships/hmosexuality won't occur ? You don't think that because of such equality measures children will be educated into a society where having either a same sex parent family or an opposite sex parent family is NORMAL.

    Kids aren't bullies, kids just carry the message society spreads. Except kids are less subtle than adults in spreading this message. kids are influenced by society and if society says something is wrong/abnormal/inferior in comparison to their beliefs/lifestyle or their parents/peers beliefs/lifestyle they will catch on to this and use it.

    Same sex couples are not the only other family arrangement that is different to what you think kids perceive as normal.

    What about.............

    a child rared by a single parent.......... Do you fear for them also........
    a child rared by a foster family......... do you fear for them also.......
    a child rared by two families when their parents split and have joint custody....... do you fear for them also.
    Even years ago a child with parents from different races were seen as different but society has normalised and Ireland is one of the least racist countries worldwide.

    As I said the worst kind of bullying registers with you when you are a teenager/adolescent . If society can't spread the message that same sex couples are the same , then kids will latch on to this."


    I just want to know what damage to children will occur now that this is over.


  • #1258
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    I have always come from the aspect of extending marriage leaving the door open to future children coming into the world, without the right to know their biological identity, because of a right to marriage superceding the child's right. The John Waters view, basically.

    I am not alone in this either.

    Now the referendum has been passed, I can only hope the Government legislates properly in the field of human assisted pro-creation in all its forms.

    I also expect to be invited to a few more weddings than before. Let the good times roll.


  • #1259
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I have always come from the aspect of extending marriage leaving the door open to future children coming into the world, without the right to know their biological identity, because of a right to marriage superceding the child's right. The John Waters view, basically.

    I am not alone in this either.

    Now the referendum has been passed, I can only hope the Government legislates properly in the field of human assisted pro-creation in all its forms.

    I also expect to be invited to a few more weddings than before. Let the good times roll.

    What child's right? Children don't have a right to a biological mother and father. Never have, never will. It's completely impossible to cater for this right so it isn't a right.


  • #1260
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    sup_dude wrote: »
    What child's right? Children don't have a right to a biological mother and father. Never have, never will. It's completely impossible to cater for this right so it isn't a right.

    Legislation should be written to enshrine the right of all children to know their biological background.


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  • #1261
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Legislation should be written to enshrine the right of all children to know their biological background.

    This isn't anything to do with the referendum.


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