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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #6812
    Zen65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    endacl wrote: »
    Llamas are Buddhist. Their minds are on higher things.

    Especially the Dalai Llama


  • #6813
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Please see post#6902, 1st sentence.

    Ah, tautology? Well then we have nothing more to say to one another.


  • #6814
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    That is the popular perception of what marriage is about but not the legal one, and it is legal recognition and protection that gay couples want.

    The legal definition of marriage is that it is a contract that makes two non-blood related people in to a legal family creating a relationship that takes precedence over all blood connections.
    In Ireland this is further complicated because only a married couple are legally considered to be a family and therefore given Constitutional protection.

    No children are necessary for this contract. There are no preconditions that required children - biological or not.

    It is simply a legal contract which states that these two adults are now a protected family unit.

    Civil Partnership does not and cannot do that.

    You will be voting No because what you believe marriage is is actually incorrect.

    10:1 says that that excellent, concise and factually accurate post will be disregarded.


  • #6815
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    It's been hours now since surrogacy! It has to be time to start discussing it again!


  • #6816
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    endacl wrote: »
    Llamas are Buddhist. Their minds are on higher things.

    Alpaca are Latino.
    They'll cut you ese!


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  • #6817
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    It's been hours now since surrogacy! It has to be time to start discussing it again!

    Are we not overdue a bout of adoption?


  • #6818
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,253 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Zen65 wrote: »
    People forgot about the divisiveness in the divorce campaign.

    In truth when Graham Norton is presenting the Eurovision on Saturday everyone will love gays again, and it will all be cool.

    Anyone who does not like Graham Norton, or not watch the Eurovision, is probably a big, bitter homophobe.

    WTF? What about Terry Wogan? Has he retired?

    And how can you not love Marty? Anyone who doesn't watch on RTE is a big Martyphobe.


  • #6819
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    marienbad wrote: »
    By definition You don't have respect and acceptance if you are unequal. I would have thought that was obvious

    My point is that equality doesn't guarantee respect and acceptance either, and the name calling and nastiness by some of those on the Yes side won't have done anything to garner new support or convince the undecided to vote Yes.


  • #6820
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Are we not overdue a bout of adoption?
    I just popped in on the off chance that we might be doing some bullying and oppressing.

    Will I come back tomorrow morning?


  • #6821
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    I have totally lost the ability to contribute to this thread in a meaningful way. I think I should go to bed.


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  • #6822
    ronivek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    This will ultimately damage public perceptions of the gay community and may well be a rather unfortunate legacy of this fractious debate.

    You mean as opposed to the bad blood and at times pure hatred that the vast majority of homosexuals in this country and others have had to put up with because of their sexuality?

    If anything I feel it will ultimately marginalise the church and its role in this country; in great part because the youth of today have seen first hand the things people say and do in the name of religion and tradition.


  • #6823
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    My point is that equality doesn't guarantee respect and acceptance either, and the name calling and nastiness by some of those on the Yes side won't have done anything to garner new support or convince the undecided to vote Yes.

    Annnd we are back to the victims or homophobia are the homophobes repacked as the victims of discrimination are those who can no longer discriminate with a wrapping of telling the bullies they can no longer bully is bullying the bullies.


  • #6824
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Are we not overdue a bout of adoption?

    I think polygamy's due next. The slope hasn't been very slippery today.


  • #6825
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Are we not overdue a bout of adoption?

    Well, I have been trying to find out all day if I can marry my lawnmower but the bloody Llamas keep derailing the thread. :mad:


  • #6826
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Annnd we are back to the victims or homophobia are the homophobes repacked as the victims of discrimination are those who can no longer discriminate with a wrapping of telling the bullies they can no longer bully is bullying the bullies.
    With a side order of cognitive gumbo, nesting on a bed of freshly picked apropos?


  • #6827
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    My point is that equality doesn't guarantee respect and acceptance either, and the name calling and nastiness by some of those on the Yes side won't have done anything to garner new support or convince the undecided to vote Yes.

    Inequality denies respect and acceptance anyway . So lets go for the most important one and the rest will follow .

    All you are saying is if you are nice and quiet we will tolerate you - no thanks .


  • #6828
    Sheldons Brain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Sheldons Brain


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    But even if we imagine that they could be made identical, what would be the point of having two identical legal contracts with different names? Why not just call them both marriage?

    Perhaps because they are not the same thing? You can call Apples and Oranges the same thing, because they are spherical fruits of similar size, but they are not.

    But if you are trying to sell Oranges and Apples have a higher price then you have an incentive to try and pass one off as the other.


  • #6829
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    endacl wrote: »
    With a side order of cognitive gumbo, nesting on a bed of freshly picked apropos?

    garnished with freshly picked ick.


  • #6830
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Ah, tautology? Well then we have nothing more to say to one another.

    Well that's what I believe marriage to mean, and I won't be swayed.

    Goodnight/morning.


  • #6831
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    ronivek wrote: »
    If anything I feel it will ultimately marginalise the church and its role in this country; in great part because the youth of today have seen first hand the things people say and do in the name of religion and tradition.

    I have a feeling that in the coming decades we could see the Church pull back from the more liberal line it's been flirting with recently and return to much more hardline fundamentalist views.

    As the more moderate people continue to flow away from it on the wave of progressive western social policy, the remaining devotees will be the traditionalists, who already dislike the ground the church has given over the last few decades. You could end up with a much smaller, but much more vicious and outspoken church.

    That should lead to them exerting much less control over secular policies, which is a win for all of us really.


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  • #6832
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Sheldons Brain wrote: »
    Perhaps because they are not the same thing? You can call Apples and Oranges the same thing, because they are spherical fruits of similar size, but they are not.

    But if you are trying to sell Oranges and Apples have a higher price then you have an incentive to try and pass one off as the other.
    The real Sheldon's brain would know that neither apples or oranges are truly spherical. Try again.

    Did I mention before how comically ironic it is that you chose the contents of a gay actor's head as your username, by the way?

    :D


  • #6833
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Well that's what I believe marriage to mean, and I won't be swayed.

    Goodnight/morning.

    Sure.

    Don't lets facts cloud your beliefs.

    Where would we be if we went all around doing that eh.


  • #6834
    ronivek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Sheldons Brain wrote: »
    Perhaps because they are not the same thing? You can call Apples and Oranges the same thing, because they are spherical fruits of similar size, but they are not.

    You just invalidated your own point.

    They're spherical fruits of the same size.

    In the very same way a married couple can be heterosexual or homosexual; it's quite clear they're not absolutely identical but they're still a married couple in every way that matters.


  • #6835
    Woodville56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Woodville56


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Anyone genuinely worried about name calling and nastiness is going to be a lot more put off by the No side than the Yes.

    Ok so show me where those on the No side have called Yes supporters .....idiots, cretins, stupid, imbeciles etc. if you go back through posts here and in other like threads you will find those who have dare question a yes vote labelled in this fashion on numerous occasions. To their credit, some Yes supporters here have argued their cause in a respectful fashion, as have some on the No side, but irrespective of viewpoint, the level of nastiness portrayed by some on the Yes side was unacceptable by any standards.


  • #6836
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I have totally lost the ability to contribute to this thread in a meaningful way. I think I should go to bed.
    G'night. Chat again tomorrow. Only three more sleeps till progress!


  • #6837
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I have totally lost the ability to contribute to this thread in a meaningful way. I think I should go to bed.

    It has never stopped anyone before.


  • #6838
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Ok so show me where those on the No side have called Yes supporters .....idiots, cretins, stupid, imbeciles etc. if you go back through posts here and in other like threads you will find those who have dare question a yes vote labelled in this fashion on numerous occasions. To their credit, some Yes supporters here have argued their cause in a respectful fashion, as have some on the No side, but irrespective of viewpoint, the level of nastiness portrayed by some on the Yes side was unacceptable by any standards.

    Do you find it difficult to navigate life with those blinkers on?


  • #6839
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Woodville56 wrote: »
    Ok so show me where those on the No side have called Yes supporters .....idiots, cretins, stupid, imbeciles etc. if you go back through posts here and in other like threads you will find those who have dare question a yes vote labelled in this fashion on numerous occasions. To their credit, some Yes supporters here have argued their cause in a respectful fashion, as have some on the No side, but irrespective of viewpoint, the level of nastiness portrayed by some on the Yes side was unacceptable by any standards.

    Try sinful, unnatural, wicked, promiscuous, abomination, pedophile... not to mention some deeply insincere use of the words "lovely couple", accompanied by the worlds filthiest ****-eating smiles. And we haven't even got to the many hateful words for "gay".

    Now multiply it by decades. I wouldn't call that unacceptable. I'd call it unforgivable.


  • #6840
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    What about the posts calling homosexuals pedophiles, implying they're unfit to raise children, referred to them as lesser people. Do you know think that's a little bit worse than calling someone an idiot?

    Generally the people being called idiots were putting forward idiotic viewpoints. That tends to happen on the internet. I didn't realise people were so thin skinned.

    Stop being silly. It's much worse to be called an idiot by an anonymous stranger on the internet, than to live a life where you're forced onto the margins of society and denied the freedoms granted to your peers over something as innocuous as your sexual preference.


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  • #6841
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Attitudes like this are a real argument for not allowing some people a vote.

    "I don't care what it actually means, I'm going to use my own makey-uppy meaning and vote on that. So there."

    Oh yes, I make no apologies as one of the 30 or 40% who believe that "makey-uppy" marriage as you call it should remain between a man and a woman :eek: Indeed I may belong to a larger % of the population who believe in the traditional meaning.

    We'll find out soon enough.


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