Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

John Joe Nevin

1…68101112

Comments

  • #212
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    flutered wrote: »
    but the truth is often bitter

    The truth is that the vast majority of people who whinge about travellers don't actually really know any of them. They're aware of some local scumbag who was in court for whatever and of course ALL travellers are then the same.

    Don't deny it because I've seen this over and over again. My own father is a perfect example.

    I'm not one of those eejets who seem to think ALL travellers are lovely people either. I know a lot of travellers and just as I do with settled people I treat each of them on their own individual merits. The nicest kid I've ever trained (I've trained 100s in boxing and another sport) was a traveller. His cousin was the lowest lifeform I ever met. I don't hold that against the nice lad, but that sort of objectivity goes out the window for most people when travellers are involved.

    No two people are the same.


  • #213
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    cnoc wrote: »
    What do you mean about Andy Lee's background?
    andy lee was reared in castleconnell co limerick, not in the best of areas, not with a secure financial background, he had hard choices to make, he made them, as a kid he had to get into limerick to train, when not in southill gym he had to make out in a corner of the upstairs running track in ul, with his brother and another kid for company, the three had to pay their way in, with no job etc, a big difference from what is under discussing here


  • #214
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,125 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    megadodge wrote: »
    Oh Jesus, spare us the bullsh*t, please.




    You certainly are.



    You said he was a "waster". I strongly disagree with that. What has that got to do with standing up for the family name? Try sticking to the point at hand please.

    I know your points were not addressed to me, but I am giving my take on the waster comment.

    A pro boxer who is spending his time on the lash (and ending up in courts) is a waster, at least as regards being a pro boxer. I don't care who he is. This is not personal. It's an informed view.


  • #215
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    flutered wrote: »
    it is not what he has done, it is what he hass willingly destroyed, regardless of his heritage, the type of behavour used by him would have made headlines, it is not what one has /has not achived in the past that counts, it is what one does with their future which counts, this is the main reason behind the probation act, anti traveller sentiment you say, sentiment and respect needs to be earned, it is not a right, as for being boring and predictable, so is the pouis outpourings from the defenders of the undefenseible.

    Living up to your username, oh great sensai.


  • #216
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    megadodge wrote: »
    The truth is that the vast majority of people who whinge about travellers don't actually really know any of them. They're aware of some local scumbag who was in court for whatever and of course ALL travellers are then the same.

    Don't deny it because I've seen this over and over again. My own father is a perfect example.

    I'm not one of those eejets who seem to think ALL travellers are lovely people either. I know a lot of travellers and just as I do with settled people I treat each of them on their own individual merits. The nicest kid I've ever trained (I've trained 100s in boxing and another sport) was a traveller. His cousin was the lowest lifeform I ever met. I don't hold that against the nice lad, but that sort of objectivity goes out the window for most people when travellers are involved,

    No two people are the same.

    i coached them back in the day, i have a smattering of their lingo, i done them some real favours, i never asked them for nothing, the thing is they have their way of life, they will not change that, they are not interested in changing it, they have not and will never be interested in our way of life, so please do not take me for some one who does not know them, i know them better than they know themselves, as a coach you must surely realise that most individuals come under pressure, they will revert to what they have being used to doing, because thats life


  • Advertisement
  • #217
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    To all the great achievers on here talking about JJN being a "waster", I am now challenging ANY of you to tell what achievments in your wonderfully mature and fulfilling lives outshine an Olympic medal.

    Go for it.


  • #218
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    megadodge wrote: »
    Living up to your username, oh great sensai.

    i do not drink


  • #219
    Strongbow10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Strongbow10


    megadodge wrote: »
    To all the great achievers on here talking about JJN being a "waster", I am now challenging ANY of you to tell what achievments in your wonderfully mature and fulfilling lives outshine an Olympic medal.

    Go for it.

    you are clutching at straws now in fairness.

    He may not be a waster. But he is going nowhere fast in the pro boxing game.


  • #220
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    megadodge wrote: »
    To all the great achievers on here talking about JJN being a "waster", I am now challenging ANY of you to tell what achievments in your wonderfully mature and fulfilling lives outshine an Olympic medal.

    Go for it.

    to live life as best one can, to stay within the laws of god and man, to earn the respect of others, and give the best example one can to the generations behind you


  • #221
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,768 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    megadodge wrote: »
    To all the great achievers on here talking about JJN being a "waster", I am now challenging ANY of you to tell what achievments in your wonderfully mature and fulfilling lives outshine an Olympic medal.

    Go for it.

    Raising 5 kids all with their Masters and all in good jobs.
    None of them ever involved in a row and never in court unlike your lad.

    Olympic medals are no good if you besmirch them with poor behaviour and if you can't conduct yourself in public.


  • Advertisement
  • #222
    flutered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    megadodge wrote: »
    To all the great achievers on here talking about JJN being a "waster", I am now challenging ANY of you to tell what achievments in your wonderfully mature and fulfilling lives outshine an Olympic medal.

    Go for it.
    how many olympians behave like your idol


  • #223
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Raising 5 kids all with their Masters and all in good jobs.
    None of them ever involved in a row and never in court unlike your lad.

    Olympic medals are no good if you besmirch them with poor behaviour and if you can't conduct yourself in public.

    I knew it.

    One of the reasons I asked the question was because I was absolutely certain someone would come on claiming a third level qualification is a better acheivement than an Olympic medal.

    Think about that for a nanosecond.


  • #224
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    flutered wrote: »
    i do not drink

    I didn't say you did.


  • #225
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,768 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    megadodge wrote: »
    I knew it.

    One of the reasons I asked the question was because I was absolutely certain someone would come on claiming a third level qualification is a better acheivement than an Olympic medal.

    Think about that for a nanosecond.

    You knew nothing judging from your previous posts.
    In boxing parlance you should throw in the towel. You're on the ropes all day.:pac:


  • #226
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    flutered wrote: »
    how many olympians behave like your idol

    He's not my idol.

    Nor did I ever claim he was.

    But don't let facts get in the way.


  • #227
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,768 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    megadodge wrote: »
    He's not my idol.

    Nor did I ever claim he was.

    But don't let facts get in the way.

    You should heed your own advice. really.


  • #228
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You knew nothing judging from your previous posts.
    In boxing parlance you should throw in the towel. You're on the ropes all day.:pac:

    So you're still claiming something as common as a third level qualification is a better achievment than winning an Olympic medal?

    Because that's truely delusional!!


  • #229
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,125 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Mega, deal with JJN and the pro game. Forget the amateur days and his amateur successes. He is a pro now, and that is where we need to be judging him.


  • #230
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You should heed your own advice. really.

    Quote my lies.


  • #231
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,768 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    megadodge wrote: »
    So you're still claiming something as common as a third level qualification is a better achievment than winning an Olympic medal?

    Because that's truely delusional!!

    An Olympic medal is indeed great BUT in the hands of someone who does not besmirch the great tradition of Olympians i.e. Mr Nevin, the pub brawler.
    I hear he's barred from all pubs in the Mullingar area too. Some shame for an Olympian.


  • Advertisement
  • #232
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    I do think there is some anti-traveller prejudice in some of posts here. A very well known ex soccer international from a troubled but non-traveller background had booze problems and was mostly treated leniently by media. The full story of his drink-fuelled escapades was only revealed by himself in a book published after his playing career was over. Even still I have never heard anyone try to say his escapades nullify his playing achievements, that would be absurd.


  • #233
    Strongbow10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Strongbow10


    tayto lover wrote: »
    An Olympic medal is indeed great BUT in the hands of someone who does not besmirch the great tradition of Olympians i.e. Mr Nevin, the pub brawler.
    I hear he's barred from all pubs in the Mullingar area too. Some shame for an Olympian.

    Christ almighty its one extreme to another in here


  • #234
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    tayto lover wrote: »
    An Olympic medal is indeed great BUT in the hands of someone who does not besmirch the great tradition of Olympians i.e. Mr Nevin, the pub brawler.
    I hear he's barred from all pubs in the Mullingar area too. Some shame for an Olympian.

    I'm still waiting for you to quote any lies of mine.

    Thankfully I'm not holding my breath.


  • #235
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,768 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    megadodge wrote: »
    I'm still waiting for you to quote any lies of mine.

    Thankfully I'm not holding my breath.

    Where did anyone call you a liar?


  • #236
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You should heed your own advice. really.

    Which was a response to me telling someone not to let the facts get in the way after he had claimed Nevin was "my idol". Something I never claimed. Another poster called him "your lad". I'm not his father either.


  • #237
    Strongbow10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Strongbow10


    porsche959 wrote: »
    I do think there is some anti-traveller prejudice in some of posts here. A very well known ex soccer international from a troubled but non-traveller background had booze problems and was mostly treated leniently by media. The full story of his drink-fuelled escapades was only revealed by himself in a book published after his playing career was over.

    There have been a couple of posts on here about "reverting to type" which are simply out of order for sure and will hopefully be deleted. But don't tar all folks in this debate with the prejudice card.

    Megadodge has issues with my thoughts on Joe Ward being a bad trainer, and no doubt it will be spun as some dig at travellers. The fact the 2 lads are travellers has nothing to do with it.

    As for Nevin, we are not really seeing any debate on his pro boxing future, rather insults about drinking habits seem to be getting traded. Theres a long list of boxers who had glittering amateur careers and faded into obscurity/hit the bottle when the safety net of public funding was removed.

    On the evidence in front of us so far, Nevin is falling into that trap. Its his career or talent to waste. But his pro career is in a spot of bother going by all the facts in front of us.


  • #238
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,768 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    megadodge wrote: »
    Which was a response to me telling someone not to let the facts get in the way after he had claimed Nevin was "my idol". Something I never claimed. Another poster called him "your lad". I'm not his father either.

    Are you not standing up for a pub brawler who has been in court for brawling?
    I thought you were.
    And do you not see that he's wasting the gift he was given?


  • #239
    Strongbow10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Strongbow10


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Are you not standing up for a pub brawler who has been in court for brawling?
    I thought you were.
    And do you not see that he's wasting the gift he was given?

    He has an issue with you calling the lad a waster.

    I think thats the crux of the issue, can we not try and get back on topic.


  • #240
    megadodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭megadodge


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Are you not standing up for a pub brawler who has been in court for brawling?
    I thought you were.
    And do you not see that he's wasting the gift he was given?

    Still waiting for the lies.


  • Advertisement
  • #241
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Tbh it looks like John Joe is at a bit of a crossroads here and I have to say if he gets bogged down in this silliness and his career ends up petering out then it will be a waste.

    I hope it doesn't but he is in a serious situation at the moment.


Advertisement