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John Joe Nevin

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  • #182
    Daroxtar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,440 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Thing is, he's hardly a young lad anymore. He's 25, a married man. In boxing terms he's close to his physical peak age. Look how many boxers were champs at a younger age. He should be heading towards title shots instead of vodka shots.
    Billy and Zaur would have crucified him if he stayed amateur and tried this sh!t.


  • #183
    theboy1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 216 ✭✭theboy1


    walshb wrote: »
    Ronnie is the most naturally gifted player in history.

    .

    Nah Messi is.

    Ronaldo is a really hard worker.


  • #184
    beanie10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 466 ✭✭beanie10


    As a Mullingar man, Mullingar is not the problem. JJN and his clan will always find trouble where drink is involved. 10 arrests made on Monday following street fighting after a day's drinking. All arrests were nevins. Pub owned by a Nevin as is pub in Killare.
    The Mullingar pub changed ownership 9 months back and there is trouble in it every weekend, other premises have to shut early because they know what's coming. JJN is a typical traveller with drink on him. Not proud to be saying this as a Mullingar man but the shame they have brought this town far out weighs any good from his boxing career


  • #185
    CatFromHue
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    I read that the pub itself is having it's licensed looked at and is closed for a few days.


  • #186
    JustTheOne
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    As far as I can see his career is finished.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but I can't see anyone proving me wrong at this stage.


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  • #187
    tayto lover
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    As far as I can see his career is finished.

    Hopefully I'm wrong but I can't see anyone proving me wrong at this stage.

    Agree.
    The old traditions of travelers having to be top dog in the clan bit him in the arse.


  • #188
    barney4001
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    seen a pic of JJ in paper today looks more like a welter/ middleweight now he seems a lost cause now as far as boxing is concerned ,but i hope i am wrong and luke cambell keeps winning what a difference between them now


  • #189
    beanie10
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    Judge threatened the owner of anymore fights break out he will cancel his license and close pub for 5 days.
    JJN and family are wasters. Anybody from Mullingar not surprised with his carry on.


  • #190
    CatFromHue
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    If he ends up with a criminal conviction how will that affect him travelling to the states does anyone know?


  • #191
    um7y1h83ge06nx
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    For a sport that demands so much commitment it's hard to see how he is going to compete.

    Being a pro boxer might also be drawing trouble on himself in an environment that would engage in a lot of street fighting.


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  • #192
    marco_polo
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    If he ends up with a criminal conviction how will that affect him travelling to the states does anyone know?

    Even the arrest alone may be enough to make it difficult, If there was a conviction very little chance of ever getting back in I'd say. I remember Lilly Allen had a work visa revoked good few years back and that was just for receiving a police caution in the UK, over a fairly minor altercation with a photographer although they lifted that eventually. Anything much more serious no chance I reckon.


  • #193
    tayto lover
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    He'll be soon at the bare-knuckle boxing on the side of the road fighting against Big Joe Joyce's Barney.


  • #194
    washman3
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    A judge will tend to give an international sportsman a break as happened when Shane Horgan assaulted a doorman at a Galway nightclub. A substantial financial settlement coupled with the rugby players previous good record prevented a criminal conviction being recorded against him.
    However, in the case of Nevin, a judge may not take such a favourable view as trouble seems to follow him around.
    Of course he's innocent until proven guilty, but a criminal record would put his career in serious jeopardy.


  • #195
    Henno30
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    washman3 wrote: »
    A judge will tend to give an international sportsman a break as happened when Shane Horgan assaulted a doorman at a Galway nightclub. A substantial financial settlement coupled with the rugby players previous good record prevented a criminal conviction being recorded against him.
    However, in the case of Nevin, a judge may not take such a favourable view as trouble seems to follow him around.
    Of course he's innocent until proven guilty, but a criminal record would put his career in serious jeopardy.

    He also doesn't play rugby and speak with the right accent.


  • #196
    theboy1
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    When is Kenny Egan starting his pro career?


  • #197
    CatFromHue
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    He also doesn't play rugby and speak with the right accent.

    That's the only time Horgan has in trouble though.


  • #198
    washman3
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    He also doesn't play rugby and speak with the right accent.

    Quite true indeed. Another former rugby international never spent a day in prison despite being the drunk driver of a 4x4 that was involved in a fatal collision causing the death of a young boy. Another present international has had 2 criminal cases 'swept under the carpet' in the very recent past. Substantial financial settlements have taken place with the victims.
    Having said that, my point was that judges do tend to give sports people a break, especially high profile players. Dublin footballer Diarmuid Connolly is a typical example. Usually they are 'one-off' incidents.


  • #199
    megadodge
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    beanie10 wrote: »
    Judge threatened the owner of anymore fights break out he will cancel his license and close pub for 5 days.
    JJN and family are wasters. Anybody from Mullingar not surprised with his carry on.

    Whatever about his family, calling somebody who has achieved more than you will in 20 lifetimes a "waster" is ridiculous.


  • #200
    tayto lover
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    megadodge wrote: »
    Whatever about his family, calling somebody who has achieved more than you will in 20 lifetimes a "waster" is ridiculous.

    He is about to "waste" all the training and effort that dedicated people invested in him and as such he's a waster. He had a great chance in life but the traveler came out in him in the end and he wasted that chance.


  • #201
    tayto lover
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    pac_man wrote: »
    Mod Warning: Can you make your point without the use of slurs please.

    Sorry but that's exactly what happened. It's not intended to be a slur at all. It's just their way of life. I've seen it so often and even worked with them for awhile.


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  • #202
    megadodge
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    He is about to "waste" all the training and effort that dedicated people invested in him and as such he's a waster. He had a great chance in life but the traveler came out in him in the end and he wasted that chance.

    Firstly, you have no idea what the future holds. None of us do.

    Secondly, if he never achieved one other thing in his life he has already done more with his than you or beanie10 will ever do with yours.

    I have absolutely no doubt that if Nevin wasn't a traveller there wouldn't be such a big hoo ha about all this. It's the same with Joe Ward being 'lazy' and a 'bad trainer'... as if achieving all he has achieved can be done without the sort of effort you or any other poster will never understand.

    I'm not saying what happened should be ignored, but the anti-traveller sentiment that the vast majority of people in this country have always rears its ugly head in these type of discussions and frankly it's as boring as it is predictable.


  • #203
    tayto lover
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    megadodge wrote: »
    Firstly, you have no idea what the future holds. None of us do.

    Secondly, if he never achieved one other thing in his life he has already done more with his than you or beanie10 will ever do with yours.

    I have absolutely no doubt that if Nevin wasn't a traveller there wouldn't be such a big hoo ha about all this. It's the same with Joe Ward being 'lazy' and a 'bad trainer'... as if achieving all he has achieved can be done without the sort of effort you or any other poster will never understand.

    I'm not saying what happened should be ignored, but the anti-traveller sentiment that the vast majority of people in this country have always rears its ugly head in these type of discussions and frankly it's as boring as it is predictable.

    There are so many flaws in your argument that it's impossible to credit.
    How do you know his achievements are better than any of ours when we're in different occupations?
    I am not anti-traveler either. I am stating well known facts that they feel they have to stand up for the family name first instead of walking away from trouble and keeping their career intact.
    The fact that he is a traveler is exactly why he was involved in this and other rows too. Was it not other travelers who broke his legs before too.


  • #204
    Strongbow10
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    megadodge wrote: »
    Firstly, you have no idea what the future holds. None of us do.

    Secondly, if he never achieved one other thing in his life he has already done more with his than you or beanie10 will ever do with yours.

    I have absolutely no doubt that if Nevin wasn't a traveller there wouldn't be such a big hoo ha about all this. It's the same with Joe Ward being 'lazy' and a 'bad trainer'... as if achieving all he has achieved can be done without the sort of effort you or any other poster will never understand.

    I'm not saying what happened should be ignored, but the anti-traveller sentiment that the vast majority of people in this country have always rears its ugly head in these type of discussions and frankly it's as boring as it is predictable.

    Are you still harping on about this? Joe Ward is a poor trainer. Its a fact. Very good fighter, really talented lad, but a bad trainer. Really have no idea why you cannot fathom someone could be a bad trainer.

    Mario Balotelli is one of the worst trainers in professional football, its well documented but im guessing you presume he works his arse off day in day out in order to maintain his status as a multi millionaire football player.

    I know you are from the school of "theres no such thing as talent, just hard work", but thats simply an opinion, its not fact no matter how hard you try and justify it.

    Nevin has clearly suffered for not having a disciplined regime around him that the high performance training set up gave him. Everything is taken care of and you simply have an environment where you must apply yourself, and you have countless lads nipping at your heels if you don't perform.

    As a pro, its up to him to sort his own affairs, surround himself with the right people who will create this environment, its not all laid on by the IABA, he must pay for coaches, pay for facilities, and so on.

    Come down off your high horse for a while.


  • #205
    flutered
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    megadodge wrote: »
    Whatever about his family, calling somebody who has achieved more than you will in 20 lifetimes a "waster" is ridiculous.

    when one gives his country which has invested heavily in him the bird, then the comment is appropiate, also the sight of him arriving out from the court dressed in shorts imo gives the wrong impression, then again members of the traveling community having up to say sixty previous and still with their freedom is probably in the back of most travellers minds, however he should take a decco at andy lee, who comes from the same background, then he can decide what direction he should have gone.


  • #206
    walshb
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    megadodge wrote: »


    I have absolutely no doubt that if Nevin wasn't a traveller there wouldn't be such a big hoo ha about all this. It's the same with Joe Ward being 'lazy' and a 'bad trainer'... as if achieving all he has achieved can be done without the sort of effort you or any other poster will never understand.

    Traveller or not he is not what I consider true and committed pro material. I am basing this off feedback that he himself is giving me.

    As for predicting the future. It's a tired cliche, but fook it, I'll predict his as regards the pro game. He is going nowhere fast!


  • #207
    flutered
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    megadodge wrote: »
    Firstly, you have no idea what the future holds. None of us do.

    Secondly, if he never achieved one other thing in his life he has already done more with his than you or beanie10 will ever do with yours.

    I have absolutely no doubt that if Nevin wasn't a traveller there wouldn't be such a big hoo ha about all this. It's the same with Joe Ward being 'lazy' and a 'bad trainer'... as if achieving all he has achieved can be done without the sort of effort you or any other poster will never understand.

    I'm not saying what happened should be ignored, but the anti-traveller sentiment that the vast majority of people in this country have always rears its ugly head in these type of discussions and frankly it's as boring as it is predictable.

    but the truth is often bitter


  • #208
    cnoc
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    flutered wrote: »
    when one gives his country which has invested heavily in him the bird, then the comment is appropiate, also the sight of him arriving out from the court dressed in shorts imo gives the wrong impression, then again members of the traveling community having up to say sixty previous and still with their freedom is probably in the back of most travellers minds, however he should take a decco at andy lee, who comes from the same background, then he can decide what direction he should have gone.


    What do you mean about Andy Lee's background?


  • #209
    megadodge
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    How do you know his achievements are better than any of ours when we're in different occupations?


    Oh Jesus, spare us the bullsh*t, please.

    I am not anti-traveler either..

    You certainly are.
    I am stating well known facts that they feel they have to stand up for the family name first instead of walking away from trouble and keeping their career intact

    You said he was a "waster". I strongly disagree with that. What has that got to do with standing up for the family name? Try sticking to the point at hand please.


  • #210
    flutered
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    megadodge wrote: »
    Firstly, you have no idea what the future holds. None of us do.

    Secondly, if he never achieved one other thing in his life he has already done more with his than you or beanie10 will ever do with yours.

    I have absolutely no doubt that if Nevin wasn't a traveller there wouldn't be such a big hoo ha about all this. It's the same with Joe Ward being 'lazy' and a 'bad trainer'... as if achieving all he has achieved can be done without the sort of effort you or any other poster will never understand.

    I'm not saying what happened should be ignored, but the anti-traveller sentiment that the vast majority of people in this country have always rears its ugly head in these type of discussions and frankly it's as boring as it is predictable.

    it is not what he has done, it is what he hass willingly destroyed, regardless of his heritage, the type of behavour used by him would have made headlines, it is not what one has /has not achived in the past that counts, it is what one does with their future which counts, this is the main reason behind the probation act, anti traveller sentiment you say, sentiment and respect needs to be earned, it is not a right, as for being boring and predictable, so is the pouis outpourings from the defenders of the undefenseible.


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  • #211
    tayto lover
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    megadodge wrote: »
    Oh Jesus, spare us the bullsh*t, please.




    You certainly are.



    You said he was a "waster". I strongly disagree with that. What has that got to do with standing up for the family name? Try sticking to the point at hand please.

    Still more of it from you.
    This lad has no future in boxing imo.
    Why? Because he has no discipline and gets involved in street and pub brawls.
    He is damaged goods. All done by his own hand. AND he is a waster, He wasted the chance he had to make it big in boxing. He let down the people who invested in him too so again a waster.

    And if you think that the traveler traditions of defending the family name has nothing to do with this then you are not only foolish but delusional.


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