vaping in public

nomeban · 28-01-2015 07:52PM

If somebody asks me to stop vaping I just blow it right into their face. It's not illegal and it's only 100% water vapour. I also have a few scientific documents saved on my phone which I show to them that vaping is healthy.

Just kidding.

I keep it discrete. I never blow the smoke in plumes into the air or anything. In fact I hate that "cloud chasing" crap. I just take a discrete toke or two if I'm in a restaurant or around Tesco or whatever. Once I was asked to go to the smoking area in a busy pub, the bouncer explained some people might see the vapour and then light up a real one themselves thinking it's grand.

khemas · 16-02-2015 02:51PM

It depends on the "public" area. In a supermarket, outside, I don't ask. In a smaller area, I will ask and if someone forbid me to vape, I don't vape. Even if they aren't educated people (vape educated of course) I respect this.

RossFixxxed · 16-02-2015 04:17PM

I think for nearly all of us there's a level of common sense and basic courtesy. Judge where you are, who you are with, and you can always ask staff where relevant.

I'd never argue with staff, they're just doing their job, and the assumption would be that some customers won't want vapour billowing all over their dinner for example. The business sense may well be to just ban it for now, and keep the customers happy 'as is'. It's maybe a little myopic but I can understand it. I think most of us realise that and would be sensible and discrete.

There's fanatics on either side of this, and all we can do is try to be courteous and sensible. Some vape friendly cafés would be a great way to go about things, and a few events in pubs might help. Once people see that it's not some toxic chimney spewing digital poison into their lungs I'm sure things will calm down. And they'll realize we spend 85% of the time twiddling tissue paper, waffling about coils and messing with little bottles!

jonski · 16-02-2015 07:32PM

RossFixxxed wrote: »

I think for nearly all of us there's a level of common sense and basic courtesy. Judge where you are, who you are with, and you can always ask staff where relevant.

Agreed , although there wasn't much common sense shown by the lecturer that puffed away on his e-cig in my daughters class in uni today . ( that's just being a dick )

RossFixxxed wrote: »

Some vape friendly cafés would be a great way to go about things, and a few events in pubs might help.

I'd say that's coming , already one of the shops in Dublin is a cafe aswell iirc and I know that one in Limerick is looking into it , so you might get combination shops .

RossFixxxed wrote: »

And they'll realize we spend 85% of the time twiddling tissue paper, waffling about coils and messing with little bottles!

Ain't that the truth .

khemas · 16-02-2015 10:48PM

The point is : we need vaping bars ! I mean regular bars with nice juices selection, where you could order some drinks (cause it's bar purpose I presume) AND some juices (and who knows, some builds ?)

There is certainly a market for this kind of business. I'm not from Ireland (France) but in California, there is tons of vaping bars. I'm a little bit shocked that Guiness country don't propose things like that !

Gez69 · 17-02-2015 12:35AM

Where are all the vaperers anyway, that's what I'd like to know. I go to my local pub hoping there will be a few, but so far no luck. I've asked in there if they allow it and they said yeah but I feel way too self-conscious being the only one doing it, so I go out into the smoking area (and still feel a bit self-concious since I'm the only one not smoking real cigarettes!)

dball · 17-02-2015 12:46AM

Gez69 wrote: »

Where are all the vaperers anyway, that's what I'd like to know. I go to my local pub hoping there will be a few, but so far no luck. I've asked in there if they allow it and they said yeah but I feel way too self-conscious being the only one doing it, so I go out into the smoking area (and still feel a bit self-concious since I'm the only one not smoking real cigarettes!)

the force is weak with you - be strong and the force will grow

Gez69 · 17-02-2015 12:56AM

dball wrote: »

the force is weak with you - be strong and the force will grow

Heh. Right, well I'll bear that in my mind. Cheers!

macker33 · 17-02-2015 07:57AM

fvck em all, vape where you want, you cant be expected to take care of everybody elses feelings.
Dont these people realise vapers have feelings too?

Boogietime · 18-02-2015 10:29AM

macker33 wrote: »

fvck em all, vape where you want, you cant be expected to take care of everybody elses feelings.
Dont these people realise vapers have feelings too?

Yesss!!! Finally someone that has the balls to admit he/she is selfish and doesn't accept that the harm is not from the actual vapour but from tarnishing a community who is already struggling to keep vaping as clean from heavy taxes as possible. Sure why should WE care about those eejits who keep fighting for better prices or talking to senators to stop their blatant lies? Fvck'em! And fvck you too if you don't agree with me!

"Fvck".... I like this workaround for a cuss... It's so NY, so... genuine!

And while we're at it: WHY does it have to be always people off the bus then people on??? When I get on, I would like it the other way! Of course when I get off the bus the initial rule must be applied. Don't they realize I have my feelings, even if they're bunched up in a knot?
Whoever thinks else can go cram it!

accaguest · 18-02-2015 11:07AM

I'm not sure macker was being wholly serious there in fairness.

For myself, I think this is a more difficult issue than people are giving credit to. Blowing clouds in people's faces may not be the answer, but I don't think being embarrassed to vape (or just overly considerate) is either. There's a bit of bullying going on against vaping imo and bullies need to be dealt with forcefully.

I can understand people may not 'like' others vaping around them. Well, tough ****. There's plenty of things about society I don't like either. That's the social contract. We come to reasonable compromise and get on with our lives.

The arguments against vaping are rarely that reasonable, they focus far too heavily on bad science, 'They're worse than the fags' etc. We have to expose these. And we're not going to get any support. There's an article on the front page of the IT about smoking being drastically down - not one mention of vaping. HSE taking credit due to some vague 'measures' they've taking. That's disgusting and should be exposed as such.

If we want to keep vaping peacefully/legally/reasonably we're going to have to fight for it. It's inevitable. Too many morons (my opinion) are going to use this issue to get heard/appeal to other morons. Turning the other cheek and hoping it all turns out grand in the end isn't going to cut it imo.

So, er, vape openly and proudly within reason and if someone comes up to you win them over/defeat their arguments with facts.

Failing that, blow a big cloud right in their pus.

macker33 · 18-02-2015 11:36AM

just to clarify matters, i dont give a sh1t about feelings, mine or others. Unless it leaves a bruise i dont care.

And the reason for fvck and sh1t is so they wont get flagged.

Boogietime · 18-02-2015 04:34PM

accaguest wrote: »

For myself, I think this is a more difficult issue than people are giving credit to. Blowing clouds in people's faces may not be the answer, but I don't think being embarrassed to vape (or just overly considerate) is either. There's a bit of bullying going on against vaping imo and bullies need to be dealt with forcefully.

I can understand people may not 'like' others vaping around them. Well, tough ****. There's plenty of things about society I don't like either. That's the social contract. We come to reasonable compromise and get on with our lives.
If we want to keep vaping peacefully/legally/reasonably we're going to have to fight for it. It's inevitable. Too many morons (my opinion) are going to use this issue to get heard/appeal to other morons. Turning the other cheek and hoping it all turns out grand in the end isn't going to cut it imo.

So, er, vape openly and proudly within reason and if someone comes up to you win them over/defeat their arguments with facts.

In perfect agreement with this, accaguest. Of course, if someone gives out even after I try to nicely explain several times, there goes my patience out the door so I'll chug away not being bothered.
Though you have to admit that taking a stand is different from "feck yous, I'm in my own boat"...

Sorry if I've been too ironic, macker. I wouldn't mind the attitude in any other circumstance but we're not exactly on the safest ground as most people are under scaremongering from WHO, politicians and whoever else bigpharma&tobacco can pay....

tommy2bad · 18-02-2015 09:52PM

Boogietime wrote: »

Sorry if I've been too ironic, macker. I wouldn't mind the attitude in any other circumstance but we're not exactly on the safest ground as most people are under scaremongering from WHO, politicians and whoever else bigpharma&tobacco can pay....

I'm not sure keeping your head down in hopes they will leave us alone is the best course of action.
In my experience people don't object unless they're the neurotic type ofryou are being a deliberate nuisance. We gain support from and I hate the word but normalizing vaping. Doing it politely and without being a nuisance. Acting as if we still were smokers is not ' being respectful' it's reinforcing the impression that's their is something to fear, that we only do it because we're sick addicts, that the normal thing is it be included in smoking bans.

macker33 · 19-02-2015 04:55AM

Its perfectly simple, if you dont do anything wrong then you have nothing to apolagise for.
Me vaping is of absolutely no consequence to nobody, also unjust laws can be ignored.

Boogietime · 19-02-2015 11:49AM

macker33 wrote: »

Its perfectly simple, if you dont do anything wrong then you have nothing to apolagise for.
Me vaping is of absolutely no consequence to nobody, also unjust laws can be ignored.

True that.

But.... I don't see how not giving a phuck and vaping in someone's face is considered to be helpful.

Why does every discussion have to go to extreme, tommy2bad? Keeping your head down versus blowing in someone's face...

I'll vape freely in my local and if someone has a problem with it, I'll sit down and have a chat. Surely most people can understand reason. If one or two can't feck'em, I'll vape anyhow. But I will still take the time to explain, rather than puff what they see as "poison" in their faces.

tommy2bad · 19-02-2015 12:05PM

Boogietime wrote: »

True that.

But.... I don't see how not giving a phuck and vaping in someone's face is considered to be helpful.

Why does every discussion have to go to extreme, tommy2bad? Keeping your head down versus blowing in someone's face...

I'll vape freely in my local and if someone has a problem with it, I'll sit down and have a chat. Surely most people can understand reason. If one or two can't feck'em, I'll vape anyhow. But I will still take the time to explain, rather than puff what they see as "poison" in their faces.

Well that's my point, it shouldn't go to extremes. A bit of cop on and no one is offended or upset or annoyed.
otoh hiding won't help, all it dose is add to the astigmatism of vaping which is at best a mistaken assumption it's the same as smoking or at worst, offence taken at ' getting round the ban'.

Vape on, vape considerate and show the eastwards it's harmless!

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