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  • #212
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    bjork wrote: »
    The rare exception in this instance is the "No gays allowed"


    If you use google, you will find numerous "men only" villas

    Tenesoya Bungalows (MEN ONLY) 1-3
    Gran Canaria
    http://www.outlet4spain.com/gran-canaria-accommodation/apartment/tenesoya-bungalows-1-3




    BEACH BOYS BOUTIQUE RESORT (MEN ONLY)
    Gran Canaria

    This men only resort consists of 12 bungalows with bedroom, kitchen and bathroom. Swimming pool. WiFi.
    http://www.outlet4spain.com/gran-canaria-accommodation/apartment/beach-boys-boutique

    etc

    http://www.outlet4spain.com/gran-canaria/apartments

    Again, yiu continue to ignore the nature and purposes or the resort, the reason for the ban and whether it serves a legitimate purposes.

    So your analysis is half baked.

    To use an earlier example would you think excluding married women from a divorced mens support group would be discriminatory?

    What about excluding black people from a soccer club?

    In each case, it's necessary to look at more than just the rule or exclusion, but look at the wider nature and purpose of the rule, and what it actually does in practice.


  • #213
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I don't think its the same and while I don't agree with the owners I defend their right to make choices about who or what they will accept in their home. This is not a commercial business like a hotel or a shop, its their own home so I think they are entitled to be as fussy as they wish to be. Its their choice. What do people want? Do they want them to accept gay couples or to be removed from the site or what? Can people not just accept that there are going to be others who don't agree with your lifestyle or the choices you make, just move on and rent somewhere else.

    Choices? What exactly do you mean?


  • #214
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I would imagine your home is treated in a different way than a business when you're talking legal issues such as this. This couple are clearly bigoted in their views but they aren't alone. I'm more annoyed with the site itself allowing such ads to run given the nature of it, I wouldn't book a holiday from such a site.


    Why do you insist on referring to it as their home?
    Do they live there and are inviting people over?

    People are paying to stay in this villa. That is a business transaction.
    You are just trying to justify bigotry by falsely stating that the owners have the right to admit/prohibit whoever comes into "their home".

    If the place was a kip with ecoli in the water and carbon monoxide leaking from the boiler and all manner of death traps around the place like exposed wires and rotten floorboards and some guest got all fucked up or killed would you say that the owners have the right to keep "their home" in whatever condition they like and the laws be damned?


  • #215
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I'd argue a child being unable to attend a school is a much bigger deal than a gay couple being unable to book one specific villa in Spain.

    I don't see what point you're trying to make. A girl not being able to attend an all boys school is a non-starter but it will be used as a faux example of gender discrimination. The comparison is a farce.


  • #216
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Are you operating a van rental business? Or do you just happen to have vans you rent out now and then as you feel like it? In the first case if you have a business you shouldn't discriminate but if you have a casual arrangement with people you can do what you like. I would say lots of times people make decisions not to deal with certain people for all sorts of reasons and just lie and say they are busy or whatever and no one ever knows. This couple aren't operating a business in the traditional sense, they can rent out what they want to who they want then.

    You keep coming up with this "traditional sense" thing.
    How casual do you think the arrangement is? If you pay your money and then get to the villa and there's no beds in the place and you want your money back do you think the owners can just say "Tough shit mate, this is a casual arrangement with no legal obligations. We do as we please." ?

    Are you suggesting that there are absolutely no legal requirements to the transaction?


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  • #217
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    scudzilla wrote: »
    Same as the cake shop up North really, but i suppose the gay brigade will be all over this too

    Imagine, this was on the first page before the fun really began.


  • #218
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Egginacup wrote: »
    Choices? What exactly do you mean?

    Oh for gods sake I'm not talking about homosexuality being a choice. I'm talking about people who have problems with others for things like being gay or being a single parent or for having a certain job....you know, judgmental people. As much as I can't understand bigotry of any kind I believe people should be free to think what they want.


  • #219
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Egginacup wrote: »
    You keep coming up with this "traditional sense" thing.
    How casual do you think the arrangement is? If you pay your money and then get to the villa and there's no beds in the place and you want your money back do you think the owners can just say "Tough shit mate, this is a casual arrangement with no legal obligations. We do as we please." ?

    Are you suggesting that there are absolutely no legal requirements to the transaction?

    I don't care tbh. They won't rent to same sex couples so that means I cant book it for a holiday with my sister or my best friend and possibly even my adult daughter. So what. Let them carry on with that if they want. There are plenty of other sites willing to take my business. There are far greater issues to worry the gay community than one couple in Spain who won't rent their villa.


  • #220
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Oh for gods sake I'm not talking about homosexuality being a choice. I'm talking about people who have problems with others for things like being gay or being a single parent or for having a certain job....you know, judgmental people. As much as I can't understand bigotry of any kind I believe people should be free to think what they want.

    Everyone is free to think what they want. I am free to think anything I wish regarding anyone I wish. When I enter the public sphere such as for instance offering a product or service for sale however I am subject to the laws that govern interpersonal conduct.


  • #221
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Everyone is free to think what they want. I am free to think anything I wish regarding anyone I wish. When I enter the public sphere such as for instance offering a product or service for sale however I am subject to the laws that govern interpersonal conduct.

    If you feel any law is being broken here inform the website. They might pull the ad. Otherwise there is not much to be achieved.


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  • #222
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    When in Rome, follow the law. D'ont like Spain ? Then d'ont go there.


  • #223
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    eviltwin wrote: »
    If you feel any law is being broken here inform the website. They might pull the ad. Otherwise there is not much to be achieved.

    I wasn't referring to the OP. I was referring to your line of argument in a general sense, this is why I quoted you. We govern commercial transactions in an enormous multitude of ways often down to the minutia why is the concept of regulating to prevent discrimination so unacceptable to you?


  • #224
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I wasn't referring to the OP. I was referring to your line of argument in a general sense, this is why I quoted you. We govern commercial transactions in an enormous multitude of ways often down to the minutia why is the concept of regulating to prevent discrimination so unacceptable to you?

    I don't support discrimination but I don't consider this a business, its their home and I think they should have the right to decide who they let stay based on their own beliefs.


  • #225
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I wasn't referring to the OP. I was referring to your line of argument in a general sense, this is why I quoted you. We govern commercial transactions in an enormous multitude of ways often down to the minutia why is the concept of regulating to prevent discrimination so unacceptable to you?

    Homosexuality used to be illegal too. Legislating for human behaviour has mixed results.


  • #226
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I don't support discrimination but I don't consider this a business, its their home and I think they should have the right to decide who they let stay based on their own beliefs.

    If they charge money for a service or product its a business, that the proprietors have selected to conduct that business in their home does not alter that fact.

    Many traditional businesses in Ireland are attached to individual's family homes, pubs, corner shops even doctors surgeries, should these businesses also be exempt from anti-discrimination legislation?

    (I do want to say that my own opinion on this matter is wildly confused and entirely undecided so I am genuinely trying to explore the issue.)


  • #227
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    Homosexuality used to be illegal too. Legislating for human behaviour has mixed results.

    And so your contribution (to yet another thread concerning LGBT individuals) is that anarchy is preferable?


  • #228
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    And so your contribution (to yet another thread concerning LGBT individuals) is that anarchy is preferable?

    Using your discretion is anarchy? Funny contribution to the (yet another, all gays as one, mount the the attack) thread.

    And, it is not a LGBT owned thread. Stay in your LGBT forum if you are that uncomfortable in the real world.


  • #229
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    If they charge money for a service or product its a business, that the proprietors have selected to conduct that business in their home does not alter that fact.

    Many traditional businesses in Ireland are attached to individual's family homes, pubs, corner shops even doctors surgeries, should these businesses also be exempt from anti-discrimination legislation?

    (I do want to say that my own opinion on this matter is wildly confused and entirely undecided so I am genuinely trying to explore the issue.)

    I feel their is a difference there. I could open a business in my home but for the most part I will be there and my customers won't be staying. I would have reservations about letting someone use my house as a home in my absence. Moreso if I felt something was going on that I fundamentally disagree with.


  • #230
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    Using your discretion is anarchy?

    Privileging individual discretion above the law is pretty much the definition of anarchy.


  • #231
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Privileging individual discretion above the law is pretty much the definition of anarchy.

    Have you policemen in your home now?


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  • #232
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I feel their is a difference there.

    A difference where? Just not quite following you.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    I could open a business in my home but for the most part I will be there and my customers won't be staying.

    Again I am not sure I understand the argument you are making here. If I have a doctors surgery in my home, as remains very prevalent throughout Ireland should I have to treat gay individuals if I consider them to be acting in a way abhorrent to my personal beliefs?
    eviltwin wrote: »
    I would have reservations about letting someone use my house as a home in my absence. Moreso if I felt something was going on that I fundamentally disagree with.

    A home? I've rented a bed in B and B's before. As wonderful as they were certainly didn't view it as 'home'.


  • #233
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    Have you policemen in your home now?

    Do you have a policeman in your home Reprise?


  • #234
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    The villa owner has no right to reject people because of their sexuality. Fair play to the poster who sent the review it's more people like that we need and let the bigots know their discrimination is unacceptable.


  • #235
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Do you have a policeman in your home Reprise?

    Why would I need one? I don't need laws or cops micromanaging my life to prevent "anarchy".


  • #236
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    20Cent wrote: »
    The villa owner has no right to reject people because of their sexuality. Fair play to the poster who sent the review it's more people like that we need and let the bigots know their discrimination is unacceptable.

    No, you don't understand. We are the bigots for wanting to be treated equally. Equality is literally the worst thing to ever happen to humanity, don'tcha know?


  • #237
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    Why would I need one? I don't need laws or cops micromanaging my life to prevent "anarchy".

    Yet apparently you need the powers of the state to use their legal powers to preserve the institution of marriage from loving gay people who *gasp* wish to be married.... Odd that.


  • #238
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Yet apparently you need the powers of the state to use their legal powers to preserve the institution of marriage from loving gays who *gasp* wish to be married.... Odd that.

    What law is that? Are you just derailing now? Again!


  • #239
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    reprise wrote: »
    What law is that?

    If you are so interested in my opinion on the matter that you feel the need to confront me on it in multiple threads I suggest you private message me it will be a more efficient method of educating yourself.


  • #240
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I don't support discrimination but I don't consider this a business, its their home and I think they should have the right to decide who they let stay based on their own beliefs.

    For the umpteenth time it's NOT their fcuking home. They don't live there. It's a property they own and rent out to holiday guests. They are liable to pay income tax on the revenue they generate. The do not live there and invite any stranger except gays to come and stay. And even if it was there home this discrimination would be unacceptable. If a family lived in a house on college road in Galway and operated it as a bed and breakfast and stuck a sign in the window which read "Rooms available. No blacks allowed", your same absurd argument would apply but the law would see it very differently.


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  • #241
    TheMilkyPirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    I reported the ad to the site owners anyway. Whether they will act on it who knows


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