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Garda acquitted of theft

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  • #2
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,234 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I'd love to know how taxi meter got to €6.25 from the Savoy to Parnell Square.


  • #3
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,548 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Drunk guy doesnt want to pay fare assumes he is in the right.

    Drunk guy blames everyone but himself.


    END CASE.


  • #4
    Paulzx
    Registered Users Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    Victor wrote: »
    I'd love to know how taxi meter got to €6.25 from the Savoy to Parnell Square.

    I'd say the meter was still running while the Guard was sorting it out. The row probably went on for 5 or 10 mins looking at the info in The Times. It's still nonsense that this makes it all the way to a courtroom to be thrown out straight away by a judge.


  • #5
    Greenmachine
    Registered Users Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    Certainly doesn't sound like he was brought to stephens green, like the passenger had claimed.€
    Initial tariff of €4.45,


  • #6
    knucklehead6
    Registered Users Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    what the hell was the DPP thinking???


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  • #7
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    what the hell was the DPP thinking???

    I'm pretty sure they just use a magic eight ball in there.


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Victor wrote: »
    I'd love to know how taxi meter got to €6.25 from the Savoy to Parnell Square.

    Initial fare and the 1k travelled. That makes it sound like he may have gone around D'olier st and back up. Could also have been traffic from the collision.


  • #9
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,237 ✭✭✭markpb


    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    what the hell was the DPP thinking???
    The garda had been prosecuted by the DPP following an investigation by the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission.

    Sounds like they were following orders from GSOC. Very odd case.


  • #10
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    markpb wrote: »
    Sounds like they were following orders from GSOC. Very odd case.

    GSOC merely put the file together. The DPP must decide whether there is a case to answer.


  • #11
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    joe swanson wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/garda-acquitted-of-assault-and-theft-over-taxi-fare-dispute-1.2039907

    Thought I'd post this here and get some opinions. Seems to me he was prosecuted for using common sense.

    Don't think I'd fancy being a Garda if this is what is happening.
    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    what the hell was the DPP thinking???
    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure they just use a magic eight ball in there.

    How can you not see where the DPP was coming from, seriously? Okay, monies needed to be paid; but procedures are in place and I doubt whilst in Templemore that Guard was taught the method of taking someone elses wallet; taking monies out of anothers wallet without permission and giving it to someone else.

    I'd say that's similar to what the DPP was thinking as opposed to a flippant comment on using a Magic-8 ball to make decisions.

    He didn't join the force lastweek so with all his experience to date, that's how his judgement thought it to deal with that situation infront of him. It is good though that the Guard was exonerated in this instance, but it was also good the Guard was made take responsibility for his actions.

    A good sign in my eyes,
    kerry4sam


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  • #12
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    kerry4sam wrote: »
    How can you not see where the DPP was coming from, seriously? Okay, monies needed to be paid; but procedures are in place and I doubt whilst in Templemore that Guard was taught the method of taking someone elses wallet; taking monies out of anothers wallet without permission and giving it to someone else.

    I'd say that's similar to what the DPP was thinking as opposed to a flippant comment on using a Magic-8 ball to make decisions.

    He didn't join the force lastweek so with all his experience to date, that's how his judgement thought it to deal with that situation infront of him. It is good though that the Guard was exonerated in this instance, but it was also good the Guard was made take responsibility for his actions.

    A good sign in my eyes,
    kerry4sam

    I appreciate that you have an axe to grind with AGS so feel the need to support any campaign against them but as far as I am aware you were also a reserve so you have basic legal training. So you should know that a basic legal ingredient for crimes of this type is deception or dishonesty, something which is completely absent in this scenario in any way. To proceed with a prosecution when a vital ingredient of a crime is missing is either incompetent or political. A bad sign in my eyes.


  • #13
    unattendedbag
    Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭unattendedbag


    I'm in two minds, if the situation was the same but with a 1km journey and the amount involved is €100 then I wouldn't back the guard at all but it is evident from reading the reports in the media from the court case that the complainant was an unreliable witness and the Garda definitely did the taxi man a big favour.


  • #14
    Terrontress
    Registered Users Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    unattendedbag wrote: »
    I'm in two minds, if the situation was the same but with a 1km journey and the amount involved is €100 then I wouldn't back the guard at all but it is evident from reading the reports in the media from the court case that the complainant was an unreliable witness and the Garda definitely did the taxi man a big favour.
    A favour to help him square up with the passenger, but I'd say after the Garda left it, the taxi driver was paid, the passenger had had his money's worth and that should have been that.


  • #15
    bravestar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭bravestar


    You can be sure this is the last time a Garda applies common sense to resolve a situation. They want robot police who do everything by the book, that's what they will get with this kind of carry on.


  • #16
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    bravestar wrote: »
    You can be sure this is the last time a Garda applies common sense to resolve a situation. They want robot police who do everything by the book, that's what they will get with this kind of carry on.

    I agree.

    The fact this made it passed any checks and balances a police body had is ridiculous.

    The points of proof are just not there not even close.


  • #17
    waulie_palnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭waulie_palnuts


    What in the name of Sweet Divine Christ was the DPP thinking? Was this at all in the Public Interest?

    As much as the case was ****e, the Guard was caused unnecessary stress and anguish for using his common sense.

    The Omnibusman should have written that off - File under toilet paper.

    Shower of ****e.


  • #18
    Truckermal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    waulie_palnuts wrote: »
    What in the name of Sweet Divine Christ was the DPP thinking? Was this at all in the Public Interest?

    As much as the case was ****e, the Guard was caused unnecessary stress and anguish for using his common sense.

    The Omnibusman should have written that off - File under toilet paper.

    Shower of ****e.

    It's actually beyond comprehension, I actually had the opportunity to join the force years ago but delighted now I changed my mind well my parents did. It's a sad day for any cop when the DPP starts this sh1t if the job was not bad enough allready. .:rolleyes:


  • #19
    waulie_palnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭waulie_palnuts


    Truckermal wrote: »
    It's actually beyond comprehension, I actually had the opportunity to join the force years ago but delighted now I changed my mind well my parents did. It's a sad day for any cop when the DPP starts this sh1t if the job was not bad enough allready. .:rolleyes:

    I do not miss the inevitable bull plop complaints from the esteemed service users. Don't know what it's like in the Guards but the UK Force I served in were quite quick to hurl you too the wolves once a complaint was received. The stress of a complaint, particularly ones of a spurious nature is something I have yet to re-experience in the private sector - thank god I got offered the new job when I did.


  • #20
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    bravestar wrote: »
    You can be sure this is the last time a Garda applies common sense to resolve a situation. They want robot police who do everything by the book, that's what they will get with this kind of carry on.

    Exactly. The Garda could have arrested the fare evader, charged under the PSV regulations, knocked a few hours overtime out of the court case and leave the scumbag with a conviction.


  • #21
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Exactly. The Garda could have arrested the fare evader, charged under the PSV regulations, knocked a few hours overtime out of the court case and leave the scumbag with a conviction.

    Conviction for. What exactly what law oand section


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  • #22
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Zambia wrote: »
    Conviction for. What exactly what law oand section

    there is an offence under the psv regulations. But I'd say the more common offence of making off without payment would be legitimate too.


  • #23
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    there is an offence under the psv regulations. But I'd say the more common offence of making off without payment would be legitimate too.

    In fairness do those acts require men's Rea because I don't see an offence if he has approached a garda with the issue.


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Zambia wrote: »
    In fairness do those acts require men's Rea because I don't see an offence if he has approached a garda with the issue.

    Once the meter runs you have to pay the fair. The driver may well have driven around in circles but that is an issue for the regulator. Pay the fare and make complaint.


  • #25
    waulie_palnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭waulie_palnuts


    Whole thing reeks of a Christmas Hamper grab.


  • #26
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    foreignDeleted wrote: »
    Once the meter runs you have to pay the fair. The driver may well have driven around in circles but that is an issue for the regulator. Pay the fare and make complaint.

    Ok under what act and section would that charge fall under?

    I can't really debate the point unless I know the charge?


  • #27
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I think the most recent legislation is Section 29 of the Taxi Regulation Act 2013. Although I notice it does not seem to give the power to demand name and address of the passenger, just to remove them and fine them.


  • #28
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I think the most recent legislation is Section 29 of the Taxi Regulation Act 2013. Although I notice it does not seem to give the power to demand name and address of the passenger, just to remove them and fine them.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/act/pub/0037/sec0029.html

    I don't see something specifying the offence under subsection 2 is complete regardless of men's rea. In fact it omits subsection 2 from the last paragraph


  • #29
    wmpdd3
    Registered Users Posts: 9,624 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    Exactly. The Garda could have arrested the fare evader, charged under the PSV regulations, knocked a few hours overtime out of the court case and leave the scumbag with a conviction.

    Exactly, this guy had his good name sullied for saving the state valuable time. He was already on a job, he would have had to leave that to deal with this idiot.

    You can be sure this 'victim' wouldn't try this at home.

    Pity he can't be made pay costs.

    Great argument for garda mounted cameras.


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Section 8 theft and fraud offences act.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/act/pub/0050/sec0008.html#sec8

    And nearly all are drunk muppets that you deal with. The majority can be resolved without arrest but some people just can't exercise some cop on.


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  • #31
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Zambia wrote: »
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2013/en/act/pub/0037/sec0029.html

    I don't see something specifying the offence under subsection 2 is complete regardless of men's rea. In fact it omits subsection 2 from the last paragraph

    You're right, that's not the one. I'll keep looking.


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