The Sweet Science

Henno30 · 29-11-2014 10:05PM

Great breakdown of Crawford's performance against Gamboa here - http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/11/27/7295485/crawford-vs-beltran-terence-like-water-boxing-technique-analysis-gamboa-bruce-lee-southpaw

megadodge · 01-12-2014 10:07PM

It depends entirely on the boxer. Someone like Marvin Hagler switched comfortably and was effective from either side, but others just look awkward and stiff.

If a kid learns to box either side from a young age and is coached correctly it can be very confusing for an opponent. I once coached a young lad who switched very comfortably and when I saw he could do it easily I never discouraged it and always got him to switch when doing padwork. However, the two older coaches (who had coached me back in the day) were very old-fashioned in their thinking and told me that he had to stick to one side, otherwise "he'll only confuse himself". The only problem from their perspective was that when I asked each of them separately which way he was better, one of them said southpaw and the other said orthodox! Point proven. He won an All-Ireland, switching in the quarter, orthodox in the semi and mainly southpaw in the final.

walshb · 01-12-2014 10:10PM

megadodge wrote: »

It depends entirely on the boxer. Someone like Marvin Hagler switched comfortably and was effective from either side, but others just look awkward and stiff.

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For me Hagler always looked awkward and clumsy as an orthodox.

menoscemo · 01-12-2014 10:14PM

Pretty sweet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1bkMtrPZwY

walshb · 02-12-2014 09:20AM

For me the right hook head/body is Tyson's signature combo. Shows his smoothness off his "bad" wing!

megadodge · 02-12-2014 05:34PM

walshb wrote: »

For me Hagler always looked awkward and clumsy as an orthodox.

Maybe against Ray Leonard, which was his last ever fight and where he wasn't even close to his best and where I thought he gave away a few early rounds by fighting orthodox, but at his peak he did it very effectively.

And of course there's your favourite boxer ever - Naseem Hamed, very effective from either side.

walshb · 02-12-2014 05:36PM

megadodge wrote: »

Maybe against Ray Leonard, which was his last ever fight and where he wasn't even close to his best and where I thought he gave away a few early rounds by fighting orthodox, but at his peak he did it very effectively.

And of course there's your favourite boxer ever - Naseem Hamed, very effective from either side.

He looked ridiculously clumsy vs. Leonard off both wings:pac:. It being his last fight doesn't explain it. He may have been past his best, but not a shell. I think he was somewhat exposed by a real slick and fast mover type boxer. I rate Hagler, but not as highly as others.

Hamed for me did not look good as orthodox. Not brutal, but didn't stand out.

megadodge · 02-12-2014 05:48PM

I thought he showed signs of serious decline versus Mugabi and that was a full year before Leonard. But I agree Leonard's style would give most boxers problems not just Marvin.

I thought Hamed just didn't look good at all, in any stance. That was what I actually expected you to reply with the first time:)

walshb · 02-12-2014 05:56PM

megadodge wrote: »

I thought he showed signs of serious decline versus Mugabi and that was a full year before Leonard. But I agree Leonard's style would give most boxers problems not just Marvin.

I thought Hamed just didn't look good at all, in any stance. That was what I actually expected you to reply with the first time:)

Hamed had wonderful balance and feet. That I will give him. But it's more than juts that when assessing it. He didn't have the same punching ability as orthodox, as only expected. I wouldn't be impressed with him off his weaker side.

Henno30 · 06-12-2014 08:54PM

Rather than respond to the outrageous slurs directed towards my beloved Marvin Hagler in this thread, I'll just leave this nice little breakdown here.

Does a good job of explaining why Hagler's stance switching while in full flow was such a weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDEV01LgNVE

Littlehorny · 06-12-2014 09:43PM

Henno30 wrote: »

Rather than respond to the outrageous slurs directed towards my beloved Marvin Hagler in this thread, I'll just leave this nice little breakdown here.

Does a good job of explaining why Hagler's stance switching while in full flow was such a weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDEV01LgNVE

Great video Henno and i agree with you totally, Hagler is my favourite of all time. Hard as nails and no compromise with him. Robbed in his fight with Leonard, it is up to the challenger to wrestle the title from the champion not hoodwink the judges.

boxer.fan · 29-01-2015 11:00AM

http://instagram.com/p/yawUIunKFt/

GGG working on his money shot

Talib Fiasco · 13-02-2015 10:49PM

Insight into some of the genius that makes Naoya Inoue so special. This guy could easily outdo Manny in winning world titles in more than 8 divisions.

Talib Fiasco · 17-05-2015 04:08PM

Another breakdown vid of the best p4p active boxer in the world

Henno30 · 17-05-2015 08:44PM

Gonzalez has to be one of the best fighters to watch in the entire sport. An action star technician with god-like balance.

menoscemo · 17-05-2015 10:39PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Another breakdown vid of the best p4p active boxer in the world

Fantastic, but I still think he is ducking Ali Raymi

Henno30 · 18-05-2015 06:13PM

pac_man wrote: »

Fighters often behave on instinct and not every move is black and white.

That doesn't matter. It's about identifying a pattern. Of course fighters don't always think through everything they do, like you say it's done on instinct. Probably trained into their subconscious a long time ago. But there's still a pattern that can be observed in what they're doing and highlighting those is the point of such videos.

Panic E · 18-05-2015 07:49PM

Good stuff here from the man himself, and man that was some beatdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWVUyT1lE0

walshb · 18-05-2015 08:46PM

Panic E wrote: »

Good stuff here from the man himself, and man that was some beatdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWVUyT1lE0

If only Floyd had stayed still for long enough!

Panic E · 18-05-2015 11:48PM

walshb wrote: »

If only Floyd had stayed still for long enough!

I think it's more the case of Manny being at his peak then in 2010.

He fought half the fight on his backfoot, a good performance there.

walshb · 19-05-2015 08:10AM

Panic E wrote: »

I think it's more the case of Manny being at his peak then in 2010.

He fought half the fight on his backfoot, a good performance there.

Maybe a bit of both, but beating up on a man who cannot defend or move is a whole different ball game to trying to let shots go fluidly against Mayweather.

Panic E · 20-05-2015 01:16AM

walshb wrote: »

beating up on a man who cannot defend or move

:eek: When did this happen :eek:

walshb · 20-05-2015 08:29AM

Panic E wrote: »

:eek: When did this happen :eek:

Margarito was a punchbag, and more so since Mosley ruined him. Pacman looked excellent against Margarito because Margartito was a punchbag!

Clottey was also a punchbag.

Panic E · 20-05-2015 10:11AM

walshb wrote: »

Margarito was a punchbag, and more so since Mosley ruined him. Pacman looked excellent against Margarito because Margartito was a punchbag!

Margarito was the Junior Middleweight champion man, hardly a punchbag.

And also one of the most if not the most avoided boxer around at that time.

Look at the size difference between them! It was a valiant performance man.

walshb · 20-05-2015 10:20AM

Panic E wrote: »

Margarito was the Junior Middleweight champion man, hardly a punchbag.

And also one of the most if not the most avoided boxer around at that time.

Look at the size difference between them! It was a valiant performance man.

His weight and standing has nothing to do with it. Watch the actual fight. The action, Margarito's movement etc. He was a punchbag, and anyway, never great to begin with. Mosely had already destroyed him. A past his prime Mosley too. I am not saying that Manny just had to show up. Manny is a world class operator. His movement and speed were always going to beat a stationary and slow and 'defenseless' fighter like Margarito. Pac's performance was exaggerated by Margarito's performance, or lack of a performance.

Panic E · 20-05-2015 10:27AM

I did watch the fight at the time. Margarito was dangerous, he hurt Pacquaio in the fight & broke his ribs in fact. Of course he didn't have the speed and combination punching of Manny (who had?) but Manny had to utilize a lot of skills to win in the fashion he did. Unbelieveable operator around that time.

Well, whatever you reckon so. Still a great performance and highlight reel, that's what I like to see. And Mayweather still ducked Margarito in any case.

walshb · 20-05-2015 10:28AM

Panic E wrote: »

I did watch the fight at the time. Margarito was dangerous, he hurt Pacquaio in the fight & broke his ribs in fact. Of course he didn't have the speed and combination punching of Manny (who had?) but Manny had to utilize a lot of skills to win in the fashion he did. Unbelieveable operator around that time.

It was a very impressive display from Manny, but Margarito for me was tailor made for him.

Big Ears · 20-05-2015 11:50AM

Panic E wrote: »

Margarito was the Junior Middleweight champion man, hardly a punchbag.

And also one of the most if not the most avoided boxer around at that time.

Look at the size difference between them! It was a valiant performance man.

Eh no he wasn't.....and he never has been.

Also an MRI revelaed Pacquiao had only strained muscles in the area, not actually broke any ribs.

It was still a very good performance, and Margarito had much more left than he did in his final fight. But that wasn't the same man who broke Cotto in their first fight. Although even that may not have been good enough.

Henno30 · 20-05-2015 12:21PM

Manny would still look spectacular against anyone who steps into his range. It's when that stops you'll know he's done. He has never been a real pressure fighter above the featherweight neighbourhood. Too small, and insufficiently educated in cutting the ring off.

walshb · 20-05-2015 12:40PM

Big Ears wrote: »

It was still a very good performance, and Margarito had much more left than he did in his final fight. But that wasn't the same man who broke Cotto in their first fight. Although even that may not have been good enough.

And Cotto gave him an absolute pasting that first fight. Cotto just didn't have Manny's volume and power combined. Had he more pop, like Mosley, then Margarito doesn't get through to him near as much, hence why I selected Mosley to do a number on Margarito.

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