Irish people abroad who just won't shut up moaning about Ireland

TheBeardedLady · 26-10-2014 9:54pm

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Thats a residency issue isn't it though, simply that British citizens here ( ROI) if they are residents have additional voting rights since the can vote for the Dail unlike other EU citizens. If your not actually living in X dail/local/European electoral area you have no additional rights, we are talking about extra-territorial voting. And they can't vote in referendums anyway.

I presume those voting rights are historic and there should be a harmonization across the EU of voting rights.

What's the confused face about? It was a genuine question. Is it only British citizens or UK citizens? People from the island of Britain can vote only? What about Northern Irish citizens with a UK (NI and Great Britain) passport?

RDM_83 again · 26-10-2014 10:02pm

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

What's the confused face about? It was a genuine question.

No offense meant I'm genuinely confused to I think, like that issue is about voting rights where you are living, we are talking about voting rights that don't relate to where your living at present but where you relate/have citizenship etc to. Like if you were complaining about Spain not giving you voting rights I get what you mean but we are talking about voting rights for where you don't live? Like as a person your situation might be unfair because your disenfranchised everywhere including where you live at the minute, but as an Irish citizen its "fair" or more correctly really equally unfair

because we are all treated the same.

TheBeardedLady · 26-10-2014 10:06pm

RDM_83 again wrote: »

No offense meant I'm genuinely confused to I think, like that issue is about voting rights where you are living, we are talking about voting rights that don't relate to where your living at present but where you relate/have citizenship etc to. Like if you were complaining about Spain not giving you voting rights I get what you mean but we are talking about voting rights for where you don't live? Like as a person your situation might be unfair because your disenfranchised everywhere including where you live at the minute, but as an Irish citizen its "fair" or more correctly really equally unfair because we are all treated the same.

Right ok. I misread your original post. You couldn't vote in ROI when you lived in NI but you could when you moved down. NI citizens can vote in ROI once they live there. I was originally confused about why you couldn't vote but British people could...but you could vote once you moved down. I understand.

RDM_83 again · 26-10-2014 10:11pm

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

What's the confused face about? It was a genuine question. Is it only British citizens or UK citizens? People from the island of Britain can vote only? What about Northern Irish citizens with a UK (NI and Great Britain) passport?

Oh right, I get you now, I know the correct terminology is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but I think the term is often used interchangeably even in official documentation, I've let my British Passport lapse so I don't actually know what it says on it. Since you would generally have entitlement to dual citizenship anyway (and I am entitled outside the NI thing anyway).
Its another one of those confusing things, similar to Ireland being the official name of the state but then some documentation referring to Ireland as being all the 32 counties :-/
Or Ebay shipping excluding NI from the UK :mad:

Edit: Seen your reply sorry, also I think people in NI may not be living in Britain as a geographic area are still considered British citizens/Subjects

UCDVet · 26-10-2014 10:21pm

I share your frustration - but at the same time, maybe they have a point? And maybe if we worked at making Ireland a more desirable place to live and work, we would have so many people leaving.

I love Ireland, but financially it just doesn't work for my family. I'm counting down the days until we leave.

RDM_83 again · 26-10-2014 10:29pm

UCDVet wrote: »

I share your frustration - but at the same time, maybe they have a point? And maybe if we worked at making Ireland a more desirable place to live and work, we would have so many people leaving.

Parochialism and provincialism are direct opposites. The provincial has no mind of his own; he does not trust what his eyes see until he has head what the metropolics - towards which his eyes are turned - has to say on the subject. This runs through all his activities. / The Parochial mentality on the other hand never is in any doubt about the social and artistic validity of his parish. All great civilisations are based on parochialism - Greek, Israelite, English - Greek, Israelite, English. Parochialism is universal; it deals with the fundamentals

Patrick Kavanagh

NSAman · 26-10-2014 10:44pm

OK, I love Ireland but opportunity wise, it is impossible for me to live here. I work all over the world mostly in the US. I hate what Ireland has become lately but never ever put Ireland down. I bring many people into Ireland from our offices abroad, I spend a fortune here when I am home (which is often).

However, you talk in here about people who criticise Ireland when abroad, what about those that criticise us emmigrants who return home.. i.e. Thinks he is a "big man", thinks he is "better than the rest of us" (conversation over heard while I was in the loo about myself by so called "friends")

I do not brag about my life or work, yes I could, but that is not me. I travel extensively but would never say who I have met or where I have been. Yet, the above is what I experience. Seems to me that there are quite a few begrudgers still left in Ireland.

TheBeardedLady · 27-10-2014 7:45am

I've an idea! What about letting Irish citizens who don't have the right to vote elsewhere, vote in Ireland. So an American with Irish citizenship can't vote in both elections - they have to vote in one or the other. Same for Irish citizens in NI, same for all Irish citizens outside of the country. No idea how they'd manage this; perhaps showing proof they've been taken off the register or are not on the electoral register for the country they live in.

Whaddya reckon???

Mister Vain · 27-10-2014 9:25am

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

I've an idea! What about letting Irish citizens who don't have the right to vote elsewhere, vote in Ireland. So an American with Irish citizenship can't vote in both elections - they have to vote in one or the other. Same for Irish citizens in NI, same for all Irish citizens outside of the country. No idea how they'd manage this; perhaps showing proof they've been taken off the register or are not on the electoral register for the country they live in.

Whaddya reckon???

I reckon voting is a waste of time either way, but that would be a good idea I suppose. It seems fair.

daveyeh · 28-10-2014 3:48pm

Areyouwell wrote: »

Had to leave Ireland to pursue my education and profession. Came back over qualified and highly skilled for said profession. Barely two weeks in the job and I was told by a colleague that I will always be viewed as an outsider (This was in Dublin btw). The fact the everybody loved me, seemed to make me more of a threat to senior management. One of these managers had spent an internship several years earlier in the UK with me, where I had mentored and trained them. Now they were looking down their nose at me. I realised then that who you know, not what you know will never die in Ireland. It's too small, too parochial for that to ever change. Sadly I left Ireland again because of the professional small mindedness and cliques. And thankfully, I have now reached the pinnacle of my profession. I have been rewarded for my skill and ability. Rather than where I was from, or what my Father worked at. So nobody's going to tell me I have no right to moan about Ireland, especially since I was driven out of it and would still be there thanks to a shower of c**ts.

Theres an air of "Needless to say, I proved them all wrong..." about this.

Maybe they just thought you were an insufferable jerk and didn't want to work with you, and now you've created this little revised history back-story fantasy to protect your fragile ego?

daveyeh · 28-10-2014 3:49pm

--LOS-- wrote: »

So is being an annoyingly proud irish abroad any better?

No

daveyeh · 28-10-2014 3:57pm

SameDiff wrote: »

It's only when you leave Ireland you realise what a dump it is and how badly you've been let down all your life.

I have lived in other countries, Ireland isn't a dump, it's a great place to live. And if I did think it was and moved abroad again, I wouldn't spend my spare time bitching and moaning about where I came from!

BBJBIG · 28-10-2014 5:02pm

Oireland is a country run by Fookin Clowns and always has been run by Fookin Clowns.

All voted in by the Rump of the Population. Since all those with any "get up and go" have
already "got up and gone". Make no mistake about it.

As for the Vote ...
NPPR anybody ???
2013 - The Fleecing
2014 - The Fleecing Part 2

They want to thief yer Fookin Muny - but they don't want to give the Vote.

Lux23 · 28-10-2014 5:03pm

RonanP77 wrote: »

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I like getting away every now and then but my favourite bit of every trip I've ever been on is that first view of Ireland as you fly back in.

I totally agree.

I am pie · 28-10-2014 5:14pm

BBJBIG wrote: »

Oireland is a country run by Fookin Clowns and always has been run by Fookin Clowns.

All voted in by the Rump of the Population. Since all those with any "get up and go" have
already "got up and gone". Make no mistake about it.

As for the Vote ...
NPPR anybody ???
2013 - The Fleecing
2014 - The Fleecing Part 2

They want to thief yer Fookin Muny - but they don't want to give the Vote.

"Fookin", "Oireland" & "Muny"

10 out of 10.

Sterling effort.

For Forks Sake · 28-10-2014 5:28pm

BBJBIG wrote: »

Oireland is a country run by Fookin Clowns and always has been run by Fookin Clowns.

All voted in by the Rump of the Population. Since all those with any "get up and go" have
already "got up and gone". Make no mistake about it.

As for the Vote ...
NPPR anybody ???
2013 - The Fleecing
2014 - The Fleecing Part 2

They want to thief yer Fookin Muny - but they don't want to give the Vote.

Are you having a seizure of some sort?

[Deleted User] · 28-10-2014 5:46pm

fussyonion wrote: »

People who've emigrated pi** me off and I'm not sure why.

Whenever I hear of people who've gone off to Oz or New Zealand, found work, fell in love, had a child....and just deserted their families, friends and country..it just irks me.

I know a fella who moved to Oz back in 2005. He met someone, married her, had a baby and now he's always on Facebook saying he wishes one day he can get home so that his parents can meet his son before they die.

I find the whole thing so sad for the people left behind.

Living abroad doesn't mean you've deserted your family, friends or country. It just means you live abroad. It's kind of offensive to imply they don't care about anyone but themselves when they move. I don't see why someone living abroad irks you by default.

I've never bad-mouthed anywhere else because I'm adult enough to know that everywhere has it's bad and good points. I don't like the homeland bashing I sometimes hear, but I think it can be a bit of a defence mechanism at times, people might get homesick and remind themselves of the things they don't like back home, so they appreciate the present more.

Sunnyisland · 28-10-2014 5:49pm

I live abroad, don't hate Ireland don't bash it, I live abroad that's it, I happy here :-)

branie2 · 28-10-2014 7:27pm

I'm Irish, and proud

RobYourBuilder · 28-10-2014 7:49pm

fussyonion wrote: »

People who've emigrated pi** me off and I'm not sure why.

Whenever I hear of people who've gone off to Oz or New Zealand, found work, fell in love, had a child....and just deserted their families, friends and country..it just irks me.

I know a fella who moved to Oz back in 2005. He met someone, married her, had a baby and now he's always on Facebook saying he wishes one day he can get home so that his parents can meet his son before they die.

I find the whole thing so sad for the people left behind.

[Patrick Pearse called emigrants 'traitors to the Irish state'.](http://books.google.ie/books?id=zVHgO4-nkhkC&pg=PA212&dq=pearse+emigrants+Ireland+traitors&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3RskU636GoSihgfXtoHABg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA)

Irish people abroad who just won't shut up moaning about Ireland

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