Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

gafferino · 23-10-2014 01:31PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

My main concern is that Rodgers does not seem to have realised that you cannot keep defending as badly as we have, and hoping for the best. All good sides are based on a solid defence - I am of the belief that whatever about the attacking side, you first of all sort out your defensive shape and then once thats done, focus on the attacking side. Its not often you have two strikers in the kind of form that we did last year (Suarez and Sturridge) and even though they scored over 50 league goals between them, we still didnt win the league. That says to me that, unless you have a properly organised defence, you are never going to win the big trophies.

The sooner Rodgers realises this, the sooner we can start to move forward. And this is not based on last night. Its been on show for most of last season, and in every game this season so far bar maybe the Tottenham game.

What do you mean here? Do you think he thinks our defending is brilliant? Have you listened to him at all, he has talked a lot about it....including todays presser. He knows right well our defending is not up to scratch. Fixing it and finding the solution appears to be the problem. Im sure he thought Lovren would help a lot..... which he hasnt so far.

Gbear · 23-10-2014 01:44PM

hangballlouie wrote: »

£212 mill on 25 players in two years. How many of them have made an impact?

But when we're building over a period of several years, how does that criticism make any sense?

Maybe you can disagree with the whole strategy but we've chosen it for financial and not football reasons.

I'm sure we'd love to only buy 26-30 year olds every season that are all ready to slot in. We're not going to though.

When most of your signings are 22 or under they're simply not going to produce in enough numbers in the short term.

Only when we've had the system established for a few years can we expect to have a conveyor belt of players ready to deliver.

Pyjamarama · 23-10-2014 01:46PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It should also be acceptable to point out that none of us want to do a Spurs, i.e. one and done in the CL and back to where we started a half decade later.

It's the manner of the posts that's irking some. Completely writing off Rodgers and this team on the basis of a poor start as opposed to looking at the bigger picture...

If performances improved but we missed out on top four would you want Rodgers to stay or go?!?

daithijjj · 23-10-2014 01:51PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I don't understand all the criticism of Johnson tbh. I thought he was ok - there were far worse.players out there. He was also up against Ronaldon half the night and Ronaldo never made a proper opportunity on his side.

Much more concerned by Lovren and Skrtel. As bad as Skrtel was, Lovren was worse. Fucķing shocking, particularly for the third goal. How the fucķ did he miss that clearance? He was watching the ball all the way. Fucķing flop.

Lovren played with a defender last year who actually had a brain and listened (to Lovren's leadership), Fonte. Lovren is an excellent player playing beside a lunatic of a defender who listens to nobody.

One of our best runs for not conceding goals in the last few years came in 12/13. You know what happened then?, Skrtel got dropped for Carra. The thing with Skrtel is, he stays fit, thats his main attribute. If Agger could have stayed fit and Carra not retire he wouldnt get a sniff (ye know what i mean here), because he is actually fu*king dreadful at his job and nobody can make a decent partnership with him. He makes everyone around him worse.

And you know what makes things 10 times worse?. Some players beside him try to play a team game but get caught out because he plays pretty selfishly. They push out and Skrtel is left deep. Instead of more simple offside decisions going against us, Skrtel plays people onside, makes a last ditch effort and this equates to defensive genius. Absolute 'puddin' of a defender. If i had made the tackle that he did on Charlie Austin at the weekend for QPR's great chance in the first half i'd have been slaughtered from the sideline...............................by an U14's coach.

Super-Rush · 23-10-2014 02:00PM

I am pie wrote: »

Here we go, finish 2nd, achieve champs league qualification (both of which most thought were beyond us last year) and before we even get to halloween, never mind Xmas, the knives are out.

Personally, I think that's pathetically short sighted.

I do think we would benefit from a fresh look at how we are defending, if you are 0-0 down after an hour it gives you a chance. BR showed last year, after a stuttering start when the boo boys were out in force, that he was able to make changes. I have confidence that he will make the same changes this year.

Balotelli and Markovic look to be money spent naively or hastily, I do agree with that criticism although players deserve more patience than a few months worth of football before being tossed onto the scrapheap. I don't hold out hope for Balotelli as he has been consistently problematic at other clubs.

Some of the hysterical carry on makes me wonder whether supporting Liverpool robs some of us of any type of memory, perspective and patience.

What were these changes?

The defence was shite last season as well.

rossie1977 · 23-10-2014 02:13PM

hangballlouie wrote: »

£212 mill on 25 players in two years. How many of them have made an impact?

sturridge is the only one. rodgers transfer record has been awful.

noodler wrote: »

There is no way in hell, CL qualification or not, that he won't be here next season in my opinion.

gafferino wrote: »

Barring absolute disaster (8th or below) Rodgers will be here this season and next season.

liverpool sack rafa and kenny for failing to make it to the champions league so there is zero chance of rodgers surviving should liverpool fail this year after spending more than £100 million on players over the summer.

after all spurs are sacking managers for finishing 5th

Cantona's Collars · 23-10-2014 02:22PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

sturridge is the only one. rodgers transfer record has been awful.

liverpool sack rafa and kenny for failing to make it to the champions league so there is zero chance of rodgers surviving should liverpool fail this year after spending more than £100 million on players over the summer.

after all spurs are sacking managers for finishing 5th

I know it's a basic test,but how many off this list would the big boys in Spain be waving cash at to sign within a season or so?

rob316 · 23-10-2014 02:27PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

sturridge is the only one. rodgers transfer record has been awful.

liverpool sack rafa and kenny for failing to make it to the champions league so there is zero chance of rodgers surviving should liverpool fail this year after spending more than £100 million on players over the summer.

after all spurs are sacking managers for finishing 5th

Rafa had to go, the club was in decline and he couldn't stop it and he was at war with H&G.

Dalglish was sacked for spending so much money on a couple of players who made zero impact. On top of that all though we won a cup and got to a final of another, the league performances and results were some of worst I have ever seen at Liverpool, I think we had one win in 12 at one stage.
The fact we had owners brand new to this game didn't help him, they thought spending 100m would get them CL, they know it requires far more now.

IF we finished 5th and Rodgers was sacked I would be disgusted to be honest.

Sturridge and Coutinho were too great signings but he has bought a fair amount of turkeys, saying that he as also massively improved players like Henderson, Flanagan and Sterling.

brevity · 23-10-2014 02:27PM

Not that it matters in the greater scheme of things but I don't think he bought Ibe.

5live · 23-10-2014 02:32PM

Grayditch wrote: »

I'm glad it was only 3-0. If they didn't have Barca in a few days, and that was in the knockout stages, they would have murdered us.

So, that was us trying our absolute best, and them in 3rd gear, and they still won by 3. Jesus. We're so far off swingin' with the big dicks, it's disheartening. I've no idea how we'll finish in the top 4 with our defence that bad. Last season we had a dangerous offence who tidied up mess after mess at the back. Now it's like we have nothing.

We'll see what happens when Sturridge is back, but I wouldn't hold my breath, it won't change just how bad we are defensively.

That's the thing, though. It will.

With Sturridge in the team, we have all the outfield players pressing the ball when we don't have possession and the ability to win the ball back near their goal. We then have a player, when we have possession, who will hold up the ball and bring others into play.

We will also have a player who is willing to make runs across the defensive line and drag defenders with him to open space for runners from midfield. We will also have a player who is willing to run behind the defensive line and show for through balls.

That player is Sturridge.

That player in NOT Balotelli. All he has offered so far is speculative shots from 40 yards out, no deep threat, no passing to other players and no running to open space for other players. The Shankly statue out front offers more threat than Balotelli and definitely more movement.

atilladehun · 23-10-2014 02:36PM

Lets be more like spurs.

Vicxas · 23-10-2014 02:44PM

atilladehun wrote: »

Lets be more like spurs.

I like this idea,

Get that man a drink!

gafferino · 23-10-2014 02:44PM

What is the story with Markovic? He seems afraid. Pulling out of sprints. That ping pong in the box last night he should have but the ball and keeper in the back of the net instead of toe poking a pass.

Vicxas · 23-10-2014 02:46PM

gafferino wrote: »

What is the story with Markovic? He seems afraid. Pulling out of sprints. That ping pong in the box last night he should have but the ball and keeper in the back of the net instead of toe poking a pass.

Isnt he coming off a calf injury, maybe hes terrified to over stretch it.

Francie Barrett · 23-10-2014 03:01PM

gafferino wrote: »

What is the story with Markovic? He seems afraid. Pulling out of sprints. That ping pong in the box last night he should have but the ball and keeper in the back of the net instead of toe poking a pass.

I know it's very early days, but out of all our signings, for the money that was spent, Markovic has been really disappointing. When you compare him to Sterling (who is a year younger) - he just looks a long way off a top 4 player.

Connavar · 23-10-2014 03:05PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I know it's very early days, but out of all our signings, for the money that was spent, Markovic has been really disappointing. When you compare him to Sterling (who is a year younger) - he just looks a long way off a top 4 player.

Especially since that money spent also came along with a load of hype. I had heard he was really fast on his feet, but I think I have only seen him outpace one player so far(just about)

LuckyLloyd · 23-10-2014 03:06PM

Pyjamarama wrote: »

It's the manner of the posts that's irking some. Completely writing off Rodgers and this team on the basis of a poor start as opposed to looking at the bigger picture...

If performances improved but we missed out on top four would you want Rodgers to stay or go?!?

I'm not sure how either / or it is tbh. I think if performances improve we'll be okay. I'd be very disappointed if we miss out on fourth. Outside of City / Chelsea everyone else is shaky. This is a vital season, irrespective of what happened last year.

Nerdlingr · 23-10-2014 03:07PM

gafferino wrote: »

What is the story with Markovic? He seems afraid. Pulling out of sprints. That ping pong in the box last night he should have but the ball and keeper in the back of the net instead of toe poking a pass.

He couldnt even do simple passes last night. Times are tough when you cant pass the ball to a team-mate.

PropJoe10 · 23-10-2014 03:18PM

gafferino wrote: »

What do you mean here? Do you think he thinks our defending is brilliant? Have you listened to him at all, he has talked a lot about it....including todays presser. He knows right well our defending is not up to scratch. Fixing it and finding the solution appears to be the problem. Im sure he thought Lovren would help a lot..... which he hasnt so far.

He has talked about it, but it hasnt improved. In fact, judging by our defensive display against QPR, its gotten even worse. If his current coaching staff cant fix this, he needs to get in someone that can fix it.

noodler · 23-10-2014 03:19PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It should also be acceptable to point out that none of us want to do a Spurs, i.e. one and done in the CL and back to where we started a half decade later.

There is a fear, that we will be back to being a top 6 or 7 club by the end of the season and that the amazing platform Suarez gave us will have been completely wasted. Its obviously too early to say but I worry.

Pyjamarama wrote: »

It's the manner of the posts that's irking some. Completely writing off Rodgers and this team on the basis of a poor start as opposed to looking at the bigger picture...

If performances improved but we missed out on top four would you want Rodgers to stay or go?!?

I guess that depends on how much they improve. Would we look like we are on a consistent arc of improvement or just a bit better than the crap we have seen so far.

rossie1977 wrote: »

liverpool sack rafa and kenny for failing to make it to the champions league so there is zero chance of rodgers surviving should liverpool fail this year after spending more than £100 million on players over the summer.

after all spurs are sacking managers for finishing 5th

I can't see it personally.

zerks wrote: »

I know it's a basic test,but how many off this list would the big boys in Spain be waving cash at to sign within a season or so?

'Kolo Fcuking Toure' was free!

We sold Suarez for 75m, Torres for 50m, I am not getting to the net spend again but it fcuking matters. We have had to sell class stars to raise money - other clubs can just add to their existing stock.

Turtyturd · 23-10-2014 03:22PM

noodler wrote: »

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'Kolo Fcuking Toure' was free!

We sold Suarez for 75m, Torres for 50m, I am not getting to the net spend again but it fcuking matters. We have had to sell class stars to raise money - other clubs can just add to their existing stock.

Don't shoot the messenger he probably got it from a Liverpool fan.

Bandana boy · 23-10-2014 03:24PM

You do not have to sack a manager everytime performances dip ,that way lies Spurs.

That said Rodgers is not doing enough at the moment , There is no visible improvment in defence despite massive investment over the last two years

Lovren £20M
Moreno £12M
Toure Free
Mignolet £10M
llori £7m
Sakho £18M

Thats £67M in Defenders in 3 transfer windows , Not sure you can ask FSG to offer more support. If you include the £31M that Glen Jo ,Skittles and Coates cost we are shy of £100M invested in that defence and yet things are continuing to get worse.

Brod needs to step up own this and come up with a plan to address the issue. I suspect he needs help and maybe a Defensive coach coming into the set up is what is required.If he does not put this forward himself then he should be very heavily encouraged to bring somebody in.

I am a big believer in giving managers time to turn things around but not when they appear to be ignoring the problem.

I was head of the queue saying he needed more time in 2012 ,as I could see that results might have been stagnant but the team was performing better and I believed it was only a matter of time until results followed. Results for us have been relatively ok but performance currently is attrocious with no end in sight.
I think finishing 5th or 6th but team moving the right direction Brod is still in a job ,but if we continue this performance level anything other than top 4 will see him in real trouble.

MD1990 · 23-10-2014 03:43PM

We won't be getting Valdes
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Oct/louis-van-gaal-offers-victor-valdes-chance-to-recover-from-injury-at-aon-training-complex.aspx?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd

5live · 23-10-2014 03:45PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Don't shoot the messenger he probably got it from a Liverpool fan.

Worst fans ever.

whatawaster · 23-10-2014 03:48PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It should also be acceptable to point out that none of us want to do a Spurs, i.e. one and done in the CL and back to where we started a half decade later.

Spurs problem has been a complete lack of stability. If Levy was our chairman, and Real had scored a couple more last night, Rodgers would be out the door today, half our signings would be gone in January and we would be set back three years.

Markovic etc might not look great thus far but we have to give them a chance to settle. Its a very young team and there are going to be bad patches.

googled eyes · 23-10-2014 03:53PM

MD1990 wrote: »

We won't be getting Valdes
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Oct/louis-van-gaal-offers-victor-valdes-chance-to-recover-from-injury-at-aon-training-complex.aspx?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd

I thought i read Rodgers apparently put an end to that last week?

gafferino · 23-10-2014 04:04PM

googled eyes wrote: »

I thought i read Rodgers apparently put an end to that last week?

Yeah he did, always denied we ever had interest. Think it was just a press thing given our current goal keepers performances.

Turtyturd · 23-10-2014 04:09PM

Said similar about Balotelli though.

gafferino · 23-10-2014 04:20PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Said similar about Balotelli though.

I actually think at the time he said that we werent looking at Balotelli. I cant remember the exact timelines but I think it was 2-3 weeks between saying it and signing? Rodgers has said that the Balotelli was a late decision as others werent available (or something to that extent).

Francie Barrett · 23-10-2014 04:27PM

googled eyes wrote: »

I thought i read Rodgers apparently put an end to that last week?

If Rogers says we are absolutely not interested in Valdes, then you can be sure that we are.

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