Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

El Inho · 23-10-2014 07:13AM

Thank god real gave up.

It looked as though ancelotti told them not to embarrass us.

Balo shouldn't start ahead of studge or lamborini Ever again. Impact sub only.

Meself, sterling and can hugely impressed last night. Moreno, at least showed he has potential. Hendo showed bite, and first half Gerrard wasn't bad.

Second half Gerrard gave up. A worrying sign for a captain regardless of score. I'd be in favour of letting him sit out a game or two. It would freshen him up and give Hendo some leadership time. Think he's a brilliant captain.

kevohmsford · 23-10-2014 07:45AM

Just have to move on and concentrate on Hull at the weekend. Would like to see Manquillo and Can start.

Luckycharms_74 · 23-10-2014 07:52AM

Its easy to make Balotelli out as the scapegoat but the team & BR are as culpable. We don't defend as a whole unit and the defence and keeper are a joke tbh.
As others have mentioned I think Balotelli has something about him but he doesn't seem to care or buy in to the work ethos that we are supposed to have at LFC. I think he will be shipped out at the end of the season and it's prob the best for both parties that he is.
BR is under serious pressure this season to deliver and show what his "plan" is all about. I do think last season was a flash in the pan and sad to say it will take a lot more time & money invested before we are even close to competing at the top table in Europe.
I will always stand behind the manager and the team no matter what and I will be roaring them on from the kop come Saturday.
This season is gonna be a long and winding road

Swarlez · 23-10-2014 07:52AM

ch750536 wrote: »

One player was dismal tonight for me, Johnson. Don't even know what he was thinking half the time.

I thought he was actually one of our better players. He got caught out for the second goal alright, but i think it was more down to Coutinho (who actually had a good game too apart from his mistake) losing the ball at the edge of our box trying a ridiculous turn.

He defended well one on one with Ronaldo and still offered himself going forward. Looked like he was wrecked in the final ten, but in fairness, he was up and sown the pitch all night.

Ardent · 23-10-2014 08:20AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Much more concerned by Lovren and Skrtel. As bad as Skrtel was, Lovren was worse. Fucķing shocking, particularly for the third goal. How the fucķ did he miss that clearance? He was watching the ball all the way. Fucķing flop.

I didn't know too much about Lovren before he came to LFC, he wasn't exactly a standout performer in league was he? But looking at his Liverpool career to date, he's not great is he? I thought his positioning and anticipation for the first goal could have a lot better also, swinging madly for the ball. Not impressed, looks like another expensive dud.

Tipsy McSwagger · 23-10-2014 08:20AM

Can we get Wisdom back from his loan spell?

murpho999 · 23-10-2014 08:23AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Fairly sure we were 6 points ahead of City at the start of that game and 1 behind at the end due to our 'collapse'.

You are also ignoring the fact that City had a game in hand.

It was the Chelsea defeat that opened the door for City and they slammed it shut.
A win at Palace would have just kept the pressure on City but it was the Chelsea game that was vital.
I still feel Rodgers should have played for the draw.

I have always backed Rodgers since his appointment but now worry for him.

Bad transfer dealings and poor set ups are making me question him.

Also, in all the interviews I've seen not one journalist has asked what has happened to the pace and pressing play that was so successful last season, regardless of Suarez leaving.

Red Pepper · 23-10-2014 08:26AM

"I fear the worst, Ballotelli is going to get kicked all season long until he snaps. I think it's evitable. Poor buy by Rodgers. Whether we like it or not, he will grab all the headlines for the wrong reasons this season. It will not help the new team to gel. From 2nd last season after blowing a golden opportunity, I think we are back in chasing 4th and it will be a struggle."

hefferboi wrote: »

Have you next weeks lotto numbers as well?

"Ask me in May. Actually I bet he does something really stupid by January"

razorblunt · 23-10-2014 08:28AM

It's an easy out to substitute Mario but he was decent in the first half, his main problem is still his head down shoot mentality.

Glen Johnson was actually better than usual, still hugely at fault for the second goal but good effort apart from that, still has his brainfarts in the final third.

Can, Moreno and Lallana also gained credit.

Markovic needs a goal to boost his confidence big time.

klose · 23-10-2014 08:29AM

kingshankly wrote: »

Jesus clutching a bit there did you not see after the game when arbeloa asked him to swap and he said not here in the dressing room

It was in response to somebody a few posts earlier saying they hate players being all pally during a game using balo swapping shirts as an example, i pointed out that gerrard was just being as " pally" midgame at that moment, people have their blinkers on.

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Can we get Wisdom back from his loan spell?

He was excellent v united but i would leave him there all season get manquillo starting and flanno back soon and tell johnson he can leave for tuppence in January id be hoping for.

klose · 23-10-2014 08:31AM

Also the only player who looked to take on his man really was sterling, everyone else is just taking the easy option and taking the safe pass. Alot of players confidence just looks shot to me.

NukaCola · 23-10-2014 08:35AM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Can we get Wisdom back from his loan spell?

If we could and we played him he'll suffer the same defensive amnesia every defender we have suffers from in a BR team.

NabyLadistheman · 23-10-2014 08:35AM

The annoying thing about Johnson is it's clear as day he's doin f**k all as he's contract is running down. Let him rot in the reserves I say. Id sell Mignolet in January as well, he's lack of confidence & authority running right through the defence.

We pay 16 million for a striker near the end of the window when we've a better player on loan for the season in France. Crazy stuff. You'd swear we were signing Maradonna himself such was the glee the Balotelli purchase was met with around here. We buy a young Spanish right back when we've a young English right back doing great stuff in the Championship & currently in the premiership. These issues rest firmly at the door of the manager.

We need a defensive coach brought in ASAP, Carragher maybe. Why didn't Coutinho clear the ball at 0-1? Clear our f**king lines and re-group. We are playing the European champions with endless about of talent and we're trying to play football in crazy areas. Sort of reminded me of when Rodgers came in first all this passing in or around our own area. I call it passing, but that is being a bit generous as far as Mignolet is concerned.

NukaCola · 23-10-2014 08:36AM

Red Pepper wrote: »

"I fear the worst, Ballotelli is going to get kicked all season long until he snaps. I think it's evitable. Poor buy by Rodgers. Whether we like it or not, he will grab all the headlines for the wrong reasons this season. It will not help the new team to gel. From 2nd last season after blowing a golden opportunity, I think we are back in chasing 4th and it will be a struggle."

"Ask me in May. Actually I bet he does something really stupid by January"

Why are you using quotation marks?

Francie Barrett · 23-10-2014 08:44AM

Business Cat wrote: »

IMO as each game goes by, BR is getting shown up more and more.

He was incredibly fortunate last year that Suarez peaked and Sturridge was fantastic too.

The sexy football going forward deflected attention from the dodginess at the back.

The Palace game being where the league was lost, 3 nil up with 10 or 15 minutes remaining, it should have been about holding steady.

His ineptness in the transfer market and his insistence this season of playing players that are past it or worthless will be his undoing.

No surprise to see Quarryman thanking that!

Nerdlingr · 23-10-2014 08:46AM

klose wrote: »

It was in response to somebody a few posts earlier saying they hate players being all pally during a game using balo swapping shirts as an example, i pointed out that gerrard was just being as " pally" midgame at that moment, people have their blinkers on.

Are you on about Ronaldo smiling and joking as Gerrard walked past him in the first half? Because he was doing that to the ref for not getting a corner/ free kick. Had nothing to do with Gerrard.
Johnson on the other hand was having a smile and a laugh with Benzema at two nil down when he gave away a corner I think. Few minutes later benzema's off celebrating madrid's third.

benny79 · 23-10-2014 08:46AM

murpho999 wrote: »

I have always backed Rodgers since his appointment but now worry for him.

Bad transfer dealings and poor set ups are making me question him.

Also, in all the interviews I've seen not one journalist has asked what has happened to the pace and pressing play that was so successful last season, regardless of Suarez leaving.

+1 Last season was a flash in the pan and he will get more time because of it, Just like Rafa did after 05! But he is the Manager and the buck stops with him. Our defense is worse now than last season ffs.. that not been addressed is very poor management IMO! He's spent over a 100 million and not bought 1 world class player most his signings have been very poor for the standard expected at Liverpool & that will take us back to the Top!!!

Even United have bought good quality players, you always want quality over quantity!

And am worried going forward.

Francie Barrett · 23-10-2014 08:51AM

murpho999 wrote: »

I have always backed Rodgers since his appointment but now worry for him.

Bad transfer dealings and poor set ups are making me question him.

I am getting pretty frustrated too, but it's silly to even question his status mid-season.

If we get Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling and Lallana all in the same team, I think we could yet turn things around.

Tipsy McSwagger · 23-10-2014 08:52AM

Is Brad Jones a better option than Simon Mignolet?

Cantona's Collars · 23-10-2014 08:52AM

Francie Barrett · 23-10-2014 08:55AM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Is Brad Jones a better option than Simon Mignolet?

No.

noodler · 23-10-2014 08:57AM

klose wrote: »

Id imagine henry would tell rodgers to gtfo if he asked for multiple signings again in jan.

Fair point.

Although there should still be cash leftover at the same time.

Augeo wrote: »

Rodgers won't be looking for a defensive midfielder in Jan, or beyond I think. A back up keeper is likely and I can see borini leaving after realising he won't be getting a look in, someone coming in up front.

Rodgers could well get this squad to finish top 4 and last 16 of the CL isn't at all unlikely. Plenty of magic to be mustered by Sturridge if he's getting games.

Our midfield is pretty poor - Henderson aside.

Rodgers would not be doing his job is he just assumed Sturridge will stay fit for the remainder of the season once he comes back.

Back up keeper implies we still have to keep playing Mingolet - I am not sure how viable that is in the long term.

Nerdlingr · 23-10-2014 09:01AM

benny79 wrote: »

+1 Last season was a flash in the pan and he will get more time because of it, Just like Rafa did after 05! But he is the Manager and the buck stops with him. Our defense is worse now than last season ffs.. that not been addressed is very poor management IMO! He's spent over a 100 million and not bought 1 world class player most his signings have been very poor for the standard expected at Liverpool & that will take us back to the Top!!!

Even United have bought good quality players, you always want quality over quantity!

And am worried going forward.

United payed 60m and broke the british tranfer record for Di Maria.
16m Loan fee and whatever wages on top of that for Falcao.
30m for Shaw? 16m for Rojo plus paying for nani's wages for the year?
Blind is probably the only decent player who they havent been taken to the cleaners over.
Thats about 150m for 5 players and about 2m coming in the other way from players sold. There's only about 4-5 teams in the world who can complete with that financial clout, and we're not one of them.

Harry Palmr · 23-10-2014 09:04AM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Can we get Wisdom back from his loan spell?

No, Premier League loans are for the full season, I'd prefer him to learn at WBA over about 40 games than be in and out of Liverpool in any event. That said I'm wishing we could get Divock Origi back, speaking of whom don't forget

ITV4 6 pm tonight Lille v Everton (he better start!)

murpho999 · 23-10-2014 09:05AM

benny79 wrote: »

+1 Last season was a flash in the pan and he will get more time because of it, Just like Rafa did after 05! But he is the Manager and the buck stops with him. Our defense is worse now than last season ffs.. that not been addressed is very poor management IMO! He's spent over a 100 million and not bought 1 world class player most his signings have been very poor for the standard expected at Liverpool & that will take us back to the Top!!!

Even United have bought good quality players, you always want quality over quantity!

And am worried going forward.

I don't agree with this as you can't be a flash in the pan over a whole season.

Something has changed in the mindset of the players, apart from Suarez leaving and Rodgers needs to find it and get it back.

Talking of Utd buying quality but we're the ones struggling for form but ahead of them in the league so go figure that one out.

murpho999 · 23-10-2014 09:07AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I am getting pretty frustrated too, but it's silly to even question his status mid-season.

If we get Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling and Lallana all in the same team, I think we could yet turn things around.

I'm judging him based on the performance so far and I think even with those players in the team we would struggle unless we get the pressing and pace back in our game.

Even with Suarez in the side we would struggle at the moment as we are not playing the same way as last season and our defensive play has declined.

Francie Barrett · 23-10-2014 09:10AM

Any thoughts on what we're going to do about Balotelli, lads? Sturridge is still crocked for the next two weeks at least, so my thoughts are at least to persist with him until then. Our next three games are against Hull, Swansea and Newcastle, teams who we should be getting chances against. I think if he can break his duck in the league, the goals might just come more easier for him then.

NukaCola · 23-10-2014 09:13AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Any thoughts on what we're going to do about Balotelli, lads? Sturridge is still crocked for the next two weeks at least, so my thoughts are at least to persist with him until then. Our next three games are against Hull, Swansea and Newcastle, teams who we should be getting chances against. I think if he can break his duck in the league, the goals might just come more easier for him then.

Mario is not a lone striker. Pair him with Borini or Sterling up front or dont bother playing him would be my thoughts.

Harry Palmr · 23-10-2014 09:14AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Any thoughts on what we're going to do about Balotelli, lads? Sturridge is still crocked for the next two weeks at least, so my thoughts are at least to persist with him until then. Our next three games are against Hull, Swansea and Newcastle, teams who we should be getting chances against. I think if he can break his duck in the league, the goals might just come more easier for him then.

Have no idea how bad things need to be for Borini to start but we may find out soon.

I'd nearly prefer to go with a no striker approach - just fill the front end with ball players and willing runners - Lallana, Sterling, Coutinho with Hendo, Can and Gerrard behind.

Cantona's Collars · 23-10-2014 09:15AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

United payed 60m and broke the british tranfer record for Di Maria.
16m Loan fee and whatever wages on top of that for Falcao.
30m for Shaw? 16m for Rojo plus paying for nani's wages for the year?
Blind is probably the only decent player who they havent been taken to the cleaners over.
Thats about 150m for 5 players and about 2m coming in the other way from players sold. There's only about 4-5 teams in the world who can complete with that financial clout, and we're not one of them.

Falcao's loan deal didn't involve a £16 million fee but that's moot.

Rodgers' transfer policy was discussed on Newstalk last night,he inherited Suarez who was Liverpool's best player by a mile & simply became too good to stay.Rodgers almost didn't take the job as he wanted full control & not to work under a DOF.Whatever about him being a decent coach,his transfer nous & dealings are questionable at best.
One point was raised,how relevant are Liverpool to players that weren't even born or only kids when they last won the league,that coupled with the draw of box office managers such as Jose,Wenger & LVG meant that it may have been harder than simply waving cash around for Liverpool.
Balotelli smacks of a panic buy & if I was a Liverpool fan,I'd be worried while looking at who United,Chelsea & now even Arsenal are buying in comparison.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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