Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

bangkok · 21-10-2014 11:58AM

adox wrote: »

There are too many formations being used imo(which is Van Gaals fault). Also with the amount of injuries this season there hasnt been anything near a settled team. Also half the team is a new team! None of this is helping in getting any sort of momentum in the team.

The injuries are unfortunate and perhaps can be looked at to see what can be done to keep them to a minimum but the changing formations from Van Gaal is becoming pretty annoying.

New players who need to get used to playing with each other, set them up how you want and stick with it as much as you can. Let them get used to each other in a formation rather than trying to be too smart with all these formations.

whats more annoying imo, is when the team or a certain player is doing poorly and van gaal just sits there. There has to be times in the game when you gave someone a bollocking or tell them to get their head into the gameor at least dish out some instructions. I don't think I have seen him once on the sideline doing any of the above

Rayne Wooney · 21-10-2014 12:01PM

It's worrying that we have had two players who were arguably the best in the world in their position for different periods and both have looked average players at United, for some reason the conditions at United didn't and aren't letting Kagawa and Mata flourish

Yesterday Van Gaal brought Fellaini on to exploit Di Maria's crosses, when Moyes did similar last year there were calls for him to be instantly sacked, it's not going to help a number 10 when that's your gameplan, RVP has been so off form, that's not going to help a number 10 either and it's completely stupid not to play Falcao in the next game, Falcao is more comparable to Aguero, he is always looking to be played in, always on the move

RasTa · 21-10-2014 12:04PM

Time to sack LVG so, especially when we get 0/6 from the next 2 games.

FutureGuy · 21-10-2014 12:07PM

Was I the only one to notice that Fellaini has turned into a player that actually, gasp, wins headers?

keane2097 · 21-10-2014 12:08PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It's worrying that we have had two players who were arguably the best in the world in their position for different periods and both have looked average players at United, for some reason the conditions at United didn't and aren't letting Kagawa and Mata flourish

Yesterday Van Gaal brought Fellaini on to exploit Di Maria's crosses, when Moyes did similar last year there were calls for him to be instantly sacked, it's not going to help a number 10 when that's your gameplan, RVP has been so off form, that's not going to help a number 10 either and it's completely stupid not to play Falcao in the next game, Falcao is more comparable to Aguero, he is always looking to be played in, always on the move

This is either a black mark against LVG or a black mark against the anti-Moyes commentariat. I'm not sure which way you're swinging on the subject...

Backstreet Moyes · 21-10-2014 12:11PM

Also for people who said Fellaini can't pass or is too slow on the ball just take a look at last night. His passing was very good and he passed and moved the ball very well and quick.

He certainly can have an impact this season. His 45 mins last night is better than anything Blind or Herrera have done so far this season.

The Moldy Gowl · 21-10-2014 12:12PM

Close the thread.

Time to pack up. Sack everyone. We are done as football club.

madcabbage · 21-10-2014 12:16PM

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/man-united-midfielder-ander-herrera-now-under-investigation-for-match-fixing-marca/

The last thing the club needs right now regardless of the legitimacy of the article!!

GavRedKing · 21-10-2014 12:26PM

bullvine wrote: »

I am firmly in the Van Gaal Camp but its been a disastrous start to the season. Hugely Disappointing. We have played nobody of use and only have 12 points. We are also still not scoring or creating enough chances.

I just hope we are playing Chelsea at the right time with the injuries they have.

only costa is a doubt for the game from a starting XI point.

Ramires Schurrle Mikel are doubtful but none are nailed on starters thus year and Azpilicueta is suspended.

Giggsy11 · 21-10-2014 12:30PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Was I the only one to notice that Fellaini has turned into a player that actually, gasp, wins headers?

The very first action he was involved was winning the ball and played nice pass to Di Maria. He was good yesterday and looked confident. He also looked physically stronger something he didn't last season (maybe something to do with injury).

Also one aspect that has improved immensely this season is goals from midfield. Di Maria has scored 3, Herrera 2, Mata 2, Blind and Fellaini 1. That's 9 out of 15 goals scored and also they have made 7 assists. That's a good stat. At least this season there is a genuine feeling that goals will come from midfield and all the players looks goal threat.

Headshot · 21-10-2014 12:30PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Close the thread.

Time to pack up. Sack everyone. We are done as football club.

Your Fired.

kryogen · 21-10-2014 12:33PM

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

I didnt say that. All i'm saying is that both Rojo and Jones made poor decisions last night. Poor decision making concedes goals in the long run. Neither look like a centre back i want leading the team.

Well you see, when I said Rojo looks solid, you said you disagree with that statement and explained why, using that as your reasoning for the position. An incident in isolation which has probably happened to every defender at some point.

If you just mean he made an error last night then fine, but using it to say he has not looked pretty solid since he came in is where I would take issue.

All players makes mistakes

kryogen · 21-10-2014 12:36PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Last 2 games Blind has made few reckless challenges.

His 1st half performances seem be decent, but he tends to caught out more in 2nd half's especially last couple of games.

It is tough for him though, pretty much everyone else is pushing forward and leaving him to be the anchor, his booking last night is a good example of this, he had to make that foul as they were going to break on us again and we could have been exposed. Players are moving all around him and he doesnt get that much help defensively

Rayne Wooney · 21-10-2014 12:38PM

keane2097 wrote: »

This is either a black mark against LVG or a black mark against the anti-Moyes commentariat. I'm not sure which way you're swinging on the subject...

Surely it's both, we can be annoyed at our new manager doing the same as our old one and getting worse results despite the 60 million pound player delivering the ball instead of Young and Valencia

LVG needs to try fix the problem with what we have, at the moment it looks like we are writing off 6 months of the season and hoping we can get a top defender in January, playing Carrick and Blind might help the back 4. Mata on the left, Di Maria on the right and Rooney off Falcao. There has to be goals in that front 4

PhiloCypher · 21-10-2014 12:39PM

bangkok wrote: »

whats more annoying imo, is when the team or a certain player is doing poorly and van gaal just sits there. There has to be times in the game when you gave someone a bollocking or tell them to get their head into the gameor at least dish out some instructions. I don't think I have seen him once on the sideline doing any of the above

I think he came out with some wishy washy ****e about him being better able to influence things in the dressing room rather then performing histrionics on the side lines like the wengers of the world. And there is an awful lot of sideline blowhards who for all their wild gesticulating make fcuk all impact on the game, but then there are the Mourinhos who use every stoppage in play to pull someone aside to issue instructions that turn a game or stem the tide.

kryogen · 21-10-2014 12:40PM

bangkok wrote: »

whats more annoying imo, is when the team or a certain player is doing poorly and van gaal just sits there. There has to be times in the game when you gave someone a bollocking or tell them to get their head into the gameor at least dish out some instructions. I don't think I have seen him once on the sideline doing any of the above

Yeah, and if you look back on his entire career you won't see him doing it a whole lot either. Its not his thing.

It annoys me when people expect certain things of others that they have no obligation to provide.

CSF · 21-10-2014 12:42PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

It may be that both Mata and Fellaini have to go, being Moyes' two signings, in order to eradicate fully what he did to the club and get some closure on the issue.

Seriously, what sort of logic is this? It makes absolutely no sense, unless I'm missing an injoke.

kryogen · 21-10-2014 12:43PM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

I think he came out with some wishy washy ****e about him being better able to influence things in the dressing room rather then performing histrionics on the side lines like the wengers of the world. And there is an awful lot of sideline blowhards who for all their wild gesticulating make fcuk all impact on the game, but then there are the Mourinhos who use every stoppage in play to pull someone aside to issue instructions that turn a game or stem the tide.

Van Gaal brought Fellaini on. Fellaini scored pretty much instantly. Van Gaal was correct in his analysis that Fellaini could have an impact. He managed to do that without throwing his arms around in a fit, or pulling players aside every time the ball goes dead.

Mad how different managers have different styles isn't it

J. Marston · 21-10-2014 12:44PM

zerks wrote: »

Who was Woodward talking about?

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/social/man-uniteds-ed-woodward-call-one-of-his-players-a-f-waste-of-money-v-west-brom-vine/

madcabbage wrote: »

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/man-united-midfielder-ander-herrera-now-under-investigation-for-match-fixing-marca/

The last thing the club needs right now regardless of the legitimacy of the article!!

101greatgoals has gone to the dogs.

Your Airbag · 21-10-2014 12:45PM

Snippetts from an article titled LVG says UTD can still win title

But the former Netherlands and Barcelona coach remains relaxed and claimed his team's title hopes are not over just yet. "That's possible but difficult to say because then I am arrogant," he said. "But I have done it a lot of times."

Van Gaal insisted his team's failure to defeat West Brom did not mean their prospects against the unbeaten leaders should be dismissed. "Now we have to play Chelsea, but you cannot compare West Bromwich Albion with great respect," he said.

"I think Chelsea and (second placed) Man City are another level. We have to see if we can beat them. I am already thinking it starts with the offensive and also how the attackers are defending. You could see that in their (West Brom) first goal."

http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/nationalleagues/nationalleague=england-premier-league-2000000000/news/newsid/245/938/9/index.html?

homerjay2005 · 21-10-2014 12:47PM

J. Marston wrote: »

101greatgoals has gone to the dogs.

yep, used to be the best resource out there, now its just a mess.

PhiloCypher · 21-10-2014 12:56PM

kryogen wrote: »

Van Gaal brought Fellaini on. Fellaini scored pretty much instantly. Van Gaal was correct in his analysis that Fellaini could have an impact. He managed to do that without throwing his arms around in a fit, or pulling players aside every time the ball goes dead.

Mad how different managers have different styles isn't it

You'd be singing a completely different tune if his inaction on the bench had seen united sleepwalk into a 2/3 nil deficit at the break. Nobody is denying him bringing on Fellaini paid off or that every manager has his ways, I was merely pointing out that there is a middle ground between the Wenger and the Van Gaal approach.

Pro. F · 21-10-2014 12:59PM

Trilla wrote: »

Very poor? Ah a bit harsh. he wasn't great and a bit wreckless.

I wasn't impressed with Herrera, Shaw and Adnan more so, I get what you're saying but Rojo did some good stuff too. The other 3 were either sloppy, predictive or lazy

Two or three long balls that he let bounce and got himself into trouble and then leaving Berahino unmarked to score the second goal. I'd definitely call that very poor. But I wouldn't single him out, the entire defence and midfield didn't know what they were doing defensively. It was LVG that was the problem last night.

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Jones should never have stepped out of defence unless he knew he could either win the ball or put Sessègnon on his arse.

Not true. Centre-backs holding up the play when there's a man receiving the ball in space in front of them is normal practice and always encouraged. It would have been a very poor foul to give away. And staying deep wasn't an option because there was nobody else to mark the man receiving the ball.

Not that I'm saying Jones' defending was acceptable last night, but that goal wasn't an error from him.

Irishcrx · 21-10-2014 01:03PM

I'm reading some crazy statements made here after last nights game.

'Could Jones be given the captains armband?'

'Rojo is rubbish and lost his man for the second goal'

'Blind is reckless and can't tackle'

Seriously? Jones is lucky to be on the pitch because we have no better option , although I think Blackett and McNair should be right on his tail. He was at fault for West Broms second not Rojo , he left his back line completely open to rush the ball needlessly and again was caught out , he does it far too often more akin to a headless chicken, Rojo isn't a mind reader he couldn't get across in time to make a tackle and that was Jones fault. Rojo needs to be more clinical in his clearances but I think he's going to be a good CB for us in time , Jones though.......

Blind isn't the fastest player in the EPL but he isn't slow , the job he does he covers a lot of ground not only through the middle but coming across the back line as well. He can tackle , in fact he is a great tackler of the ball and timing. He made 2 fouls last night that I can remember that were professional fouls , one he got booked for and IMO he was right to make them to prevent us being caught out at the back. He's a very smart player.

homerjay2005 · 21-10-2014 01:09PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

I'm reading some crazy statements made here after last nights game.

'Could Jones be given the captains armband?'

ive been as big a critic as anybody on here of Jones over the past 3 years, but i can see where people are coming from with that one.

Captain doesnt always mean your the best player. if he is being selected, then id have no issues with him being captain, he is very very dedicated and driven and an ideal captain candidate. right now, if Rooney was demoted, we dont exactly have a bunch of captains available waiting to replace him.

his football ability is another thing, but maybe LVG can in time, sort him out.

Timmyctc · 21-10-2014 01:27PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

I'm reading some crazy statements made here after last nights game.

'Could Jones be given the captains armband?'

'Rojo is rubbish and lost his man for the second goal'

'Blind is reckless and can't tackle'

Seriously? Jones is lucky to be on the pitch because we have no better option , although I think Blackett and McNair should be right on his tail. He was at fault for West Broms second not Rojo , he left his back line completely open to rush the ball needlessly and again was caught out , he does it far too often more akin to a headless chicken, Rojo isn't a mind reader he couldn't get across in time to make a tackle and that was Jones fault. Rojo needs to be more clinical in his clearances but I think he's going to be a good CB for us in time , Jones though.......

Blind isn't the fastest player in the EPL but he isn't slow , the job he does he covers a lot of ground not only through the middle but coming across the back line as well. He can tackle , in fact he is a great tackler of the ball and timing. He made 2 fouls last night that I can remember that were professional fouls , one he got booked for and IMO he was right to make them to prevent us being caught out at the back. He's a very smart player.

Its funny because some people were advocating the sale of Jones last night :pac:

I think Jones and Shaw were at fault for pushing up and letting their man play the ball on. As Neville said its either foul or win the ball. Otherwise you're taken out of the game. Blind recognises this which I love. Nothing wrong with an oul cynical foul. Rojo looked nervous. Can only hope a commanding CB comes in or one of the four CBs step up to the mark.

If Jones actually got the captaincy it would be disasterous. I don't think RvP is capable of being captain either. He seems to have tunnel vision at the mo. Only wants to score himself, doesn't seem the sort of player able to rally the troops either.

The Moldy Gowl · 21-10-2014 01:31PM

Just beacuase a player gets a sentimental piece of cloth, dosent mean the team will perform better, after being rallied.

If elite players cant get motivated while under so many spotlights, an armband isnt going to do it.

Phil Jones recieves armband +20 leadership skills.

Phil Jones fainted.

Backstreet Moyes · 21-10-2014 01:34PM

That Berahinio is some talent in fairness seen him a bit this season. Has great pace, movement and is a good finisher he will be at a big club soon.

Pro. F · 21-10-2014 01:42PM

Irishcrx wrote: »

I'm reading some crazy statements made here after last nights game.

'Could Jones be given the captains armband?'

'Rojo is rubbish and lost his man for the second goal'

'Blind is reckless and can't tackle'

Seriously? Jones is lucky to be on the pitch because we have no better option , although I think Blackett and McNair should be right on his tail. He was at fault for West Broms second not Rojo , he left his back line completely open to rush the ball needlessly and again was caught out , he does it far too often more akin to a headless chicken, Rojo isn't a mind reader he couldn't get across in time to make a tackle and that was Jones fault. Rojo needs to be more clinical in his clearances but I think he's going to be a good CB for us in time , Jones though.......

There was a West Brom player receiving the ball in midfield unmarked. One of the defence is supposed to step up and mark him when that happens. Rojo didn't need to be a mind reader to know that he had to cover Jones stepping up and then mark Berahino when he came into the space. It should have been automatic for him to pick up Berahino. This is basic defensive organisation that gets trained in every club, but you think that it should work differently. Jones isn't a headless chicken, you just don't know the basics of defensive organisation.

bangkok · 21-10-2014 01:42PM

kryogen wrote: »

Yeah, and if you look back on his entire career you won't see him doing it a whole lot either. Its not his thing.

It annoys me when people expect certain things of others that they have no obligation to provide.

no but f they are not doing what he has asked them to do in training or before the game in his teamtalk then surely he must say it when he sees it after 20mins in the game?

saying after the game

"They (West Brom) were more narrow in midfield but then our lateral defenders (full-backs) have to push up – but they gave them too much space"

why not tell the players this during the game instead of saying nothing, letting the game pan out and then say it to the tv cameras after the game?!

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