Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

jcsoulinger · 19-10-2014 03:43PM

The sooner we move on from Suarez the better, sick of hearing about him at this stage.

Unless he has drastic up turn in form, the balotelli gamble will have failed and someone needs to be got in Jan to rectify the situation.

We were very lucky today but I can't say I'm not happy with the result, thought sterling was by far the best player on the pitch if he keeps it up barca and RM really will come calling. Courtino when he came on was also very good.

Gerard seems to be only effective in the deeper role now?

Ardent · 19-10-2014 03:45PM

osnola ibax wrote: »

I genuinely wound write Balotelli off after that, drop him, sell him at Christmas.

Liverpool haven't always had the most talented players in the works in recent years, but a minimum requirement should be that you give 100% on the pitch.

He's walking around, have on hips, completely disinterested, never seen anything like in a Liverpool jersey, **** that get rid of him

Disgusted with him after that sh1te.

Djibril Cisse was a bit like that.

marklazarcovic · 19-10-2014 03:51PM

Walked outa the room when it went 2-2 ..screaming blue murder.. never seen somone just simply not try his bollix off when he knows he's letting a team down.

Herself shouted the result whilst i was pacing the kitchen in rage.. id rather be carried off every game from exhaustion than to display that kind of 'im not that botherd really' attitude that maro ballotelli has shown today..and total and utter selfishness he did show when presented with any sight of goal.

Ive been a fan for 30 years and never have i been willing to cut losses on a player than i have today.. its affecting the whole team,you can see it.
10 players and fckin mario... take the loss and get rid in january..borini may not be as talented but he would try his bollixx off at least...

Ballotelli is poison at lfc...

Also... defensive headers... we are terrible at them..every other team knows it...expect more games like this..we wont be that lucky all the time.

Kharrell · 19-10-2014 03:53PM

5live wrote: »

Balotelli.

With Balotelli, it was very much a risk assessed signing. Value was worth the risk given the perceived lack of options

Lovern was meant to be real deal for you guys by all accounts. You can just glance around Europe for far better value this past summer. I'm surprised with how bad he's been, but I am somewhat surprised Liverpool forked over that much for him given his track record. I forget what his name was on the Guardian Football Weekly podcast last month, but the French league journalist on it commented that Lovern was never impressive for Lyon when he did manage to stay fit. Of course the style of football isn't helping, whatever you wish to call today's style of football, but he looks out of his depth with the most basic of mistakes so far.

5starpool · 19-10-2014 03:54PM

Balotelli was bad today, no doubt, but he wasn't the main problem today, much like he hasn't been the biggest problem for the last couple of years of awful defending, no matter who the personnel.

Mr Alan · 19-10-2014 03:58PM

5starpool wrote: »

Balotelli was bad today, no doubt, but he wasn't the main problem today, much like he hasn't been the biggest problem for the last couple of years of awful defending, no matter who the personnel.

At this point the defending can only be put down to Rodgers & his coaches. No one else.

Nerdlingr · 19-10-2014 03:59PM

Mario needs to be dropped. On his head.

19-10-2014 04:01PM

What we have seen so far from Balotelli is not surprising, apart from missing a sitter. If he had 2/3 pl goals it'd be more tolerable, I expect the goals to come.

3 points today, much better than 2 or 3 dropped

Looking forward to the game midweek.

MD1990 · 19-10-2014 04:02PM

Lovren is a good defender imo & was very good last season. So is Sakho who is superb for France. There is a major problem with our defensive system at set pieces & the fact both our full backs always bomb on even at our own goal kick's.

Harry Palmr · 19-10-2014 04:02PM

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Gerard seems to be only effective in the deeper role now?

It was entirely predictable that he'd be of no value playing higher up the field from the start in my mind. He can't be switched on and off like a light, stick him anywhere - not now. Its also why he the biggest issue at the club (apart from all the other ones) - because everyone feels he must be played regardless of where or why, its a reasonless crazy longing. Its also why I doubt he'd be that much better as a super sub (not that he'd accept the role anway), if your goose is cooked its cooked. Still Gerrard as I alluded is only one of the many pressing matters that the manager to get to grips with along with formations and coaching of basic defending tactics like being able to clearly and powerfully head the bloody ball.

DrumSteve · 19-10-2014 04:04PM

I actually didnt think Mario was that bad today, he wasnt given much to work with tbh.

The defending was atrocious, mind.

tok9 · 19-10-2014 04:05PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

At this point the defending can only be put down to Rodgers & his coaches. No one else.

Well... maybe the players too :P

Rega · 19-10-2014 04:07PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

I actually didnt think Mario was that bad today, he wasnt given much to work with tbh.

The defending was atrocious, mind.

Really? The sitter he put over the bar. The near post flick wide from six feet out. Getting dominated by Richard Dunne. Pretty poor imo.

Agree with the defending being awful though.

michael999999 · 19-10-2014 04:10PM

Rega wrote: »

Really? The sitter he put over the bar. The near post flick wide from six feet out. Getting dominated by Richard Dunne. Pretty poor imo.

Agree with the defending being awful though.

And turning he's back and walking away for a free kick,in the lead up to one of our goals.

19-10-2014 04:13PM

Tbh, the sitter doesn't even bother me. Seen better strikers than him doing that. He's just not good enough, attitude is poor. He makes poor decisions and can't be bothered a lot of the time. Hate seeing him line up for us

DrumSteve · 19-10-2014 04:14PM

Rega wrote: »

Really? The sitter he put over the bar. The near post flick wide from six feet out. Getting dominated by Richard Dunne. Pretty poor imo.

Agree with the defending being awful though.

He had some good movement about him, That sitter should have been put away though.

Not to say he had a great game, I dont think he is a total write off though.

5live · 19-10-2014 04:15PM

Rega wrote: »

Really? The sitter he put over the bar. The near post flick wide from six feet out. Getting dominated by Richard Dunne. Pretty poor imo.

Agree with the defending being awful though.

I could get over Balotellis finishing if he even tried to help the team.

If you were to give someone the responsibility to sign a striker, who would they sign on todays performance?

Now expand the games to all this seasons games?

Zamora, without a doubt.

That is a stunning indictment on Balotelli and his displays.

Time to bite the bullet and re-sign John Toshack. In his mid-70s, he offers more goal threat and will defend from the front.

Nerdlingr · 19-10-2014 04:16PM

Every ball he got in and around the box he shot. Selfish display from him all day. Rodgers has to have the balls to drop him for Wednesday.

MD1990 · 19-10-2014 04:19PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Every ball he got in and around the box he shot. Selfish display from him all day. Rodgers has to have the balls to drop him for Wednesday.

He was poor,lacking in confidence & being selfish as he his desperate for a goal. But i would still start him Wednesday as he has performed at that level & is capable of giving Real some problems. Lambert would be way out of his depth.

citytillidie · 19-10-2014 04:20PM

MD1990 wrote: »

Lovren is a good defender imo & was very good last season. So is Sakho who is superb for France. There is a major problem with our defensive system at set pieces & the fact both our full backs always bomb on even at our own goal kick's.

Lovren has carried over his World Cup form rather than his Southampton form from last season

8-10 · 19-10-2014 04:22PM

Joint 4th with more points than Arsenal, Spurs, Everton and United (who have game in hand) having played absolutely muck to date.

Our year

murpho999 · 19-10-2014 04:30PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Every ball he got in and around the box he shot. Selfish display from him all day. Rodgers has to have the balls to drop him for Wednesday.

Hold on , he is a striker and he's supposed to be selfish. He's also probably getting a bit anxious at this stage.

Ballotelli is a worry at this stage but he seems to becoming the scapegoat for many.

He is not responsible for poor closing down, attacking play and woeful defending.

I don't believe that this perceived 'lazy' mindset is permeating through the team and there is something else going on.

cj maxx · 19-10-2014 04:31PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Sorry but losing Suarez should not turn a team that almost won the league into a team lacking confidence with n defending abilities.

Certainly should impact our attacking abilities.

Makes me think that defence had more confidence last season as despite their cock-ups Suarez would get the goals.

I totally agree it shouldnt
The point im trying to make is that opposing teams are more likely to attack in greater numbers tand purpose than last year without fear of our deadly fast breaks if they lose the ball
Allied to our really shaky defence this is paying dividends for them to get bodies in the box
How many times did balo fall on his arse for no reason ?

Nerdlingr · 19-10-2014 04:39PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Hold on , he is a striker and he's supposed to be selfish. He's also probably getting a bit anxious at this stage.

Ballotelli is a worry at this stage but he seems to becoming the scapegoat for many.

He is not responsible for poor closing down, attacking play and woeful defending.

I don't believe that this perceived 'lazy' mindset is permeating through the team and there is something else going on.

Since when is it a pre-requisite for strikers to be selfish? He totally ignored his team mates today. Sterling and henderson were throwing their arms up in the air in the first half after another one of his miserable efforts dribbled wide. He's a scapegoat because everyone knows he's in the last chance saloon and yet he still doesn't seem to give a sh*t. Nonchalant with an open goal. Shrugging his shoulders. Mumbling to himself. Don't get me wrong this isn't a surprise. This is Mario balotelli. Somewhere buried deep down in there is a decent footballer but no-one has been able to tease it out of him. He should be fighting for his career but he comes across as not bothered. He needs to do the simple things first. Then worry about scoring goals.

19-10-2014 04:45PM

13 points after 8 games (having played well for perhaps two games) and Hull at Anfield on Saturday, from a glass half full perspective it ain't too bad.

We need to get goals early though, tempo needs to be high from the off.

Augmerson · 19-10-2014 04:46PM

Mario needs to be dropped. Bring in Borini or Lambert.

richymcdermott · 19-10-2014 04:48PM

So far what I seen from balotelli is really shocking. He is so lazy its not even funny.

The sitter was annoying but what even worse was the shots outside the target, he did not even bother trying to beat defenders he simply got the ball and wacked it wide , no effort just a fcuk it I am thumping it.

He had few decent crosses in the box but just stayed either out wide and did not bother to run in the middle or just stayed still and expected it to go to his feet.

So far he has not a hope working well with sturridge and we are looking dire if we found it that difficult to beat Qpr.

Bowlardo · 19-10-2014 04:49PM

is the anything to be said for having sterling as the main striker

Guy:Incognito · 19-10-2014 04:51PM

darced wrote: »

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Did you watch him in the lead upto the first og? He was wandering about with his back to the ball.

The shot he had where he just smacked it at the defender. There were things he could have done with that but the lazy option was to just swing a leg at it. He took that option.

I am pie · 19-10-2014 04:58PM

Seems to be a general confidence or focus issue. Suarez is a red herring, until we get beyond Gerrard as an automatic pick we are not going to resolve the problem at the centre of the pitch. Is BR "big" enough to address this?

Balotelli wont offer anything in a struggling side.

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