Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

5starpool · 15-10-2014 10:18PM

5live wrote: »

And we won't have access for another decade until the stadium is paid for.

I'd say most of that will be paid for by the new 'CocaCola/Nescafe/Google/Apple/Daz' naming deal for the Main stand, and presumably the same for the Anfield Road end. It'd the inclusion or not in the CL reliably over the next few years that will dictate this moreso I reckon, and that is a huge challenge given the teams above us in terms of revenue and quality as well.

We could go on for ages about the merits of each team, but let's not bother at this stage of the season.

Harry Palmr · 15-10-2014 10:25PM

I've just spotted that Lille play Everton in the EL - ITV4 at 6 pm Thursday, so hopefully we'll all get the chance to evaluate Origi for 90 mins.

J Mysterio · 16-10-2014 01:16AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Why are people even debating Origi? There is NO option to recall him.

Money talks

dogbert27 · 16-10-2014 05:37AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/paul-scholes-column-i-do-not-blame-roy-hodgson-one-bit-he-does-his-best-to-win-qualifiers-for-england--and-look-after-his-players-9794646.html

Scholes being a complete dick here having digs at Rodgers and Liverpool conveniently forgetting everything his former manager did to international managers.

klose · 16-10-2014 05:49AM

The reaction from the media and some "pundits" over the sterling situation is laughable really

Francie Barrett · 16-10-2014 09:16AM

dogbert27 wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/paul-scholes-column-i-do-not-blame-roy-hodgson-one-bit-he-does-his-best-to-win-qualifiers-for-england--and-look-after-his-players-9794646.html

Scholes being a complete dick here having digs at Rodgers and Liverpool conveniently forgetting everything his former manager did to international managers.

Scholes is some hypocrite. Pulled out of plenty of England squads himself and retired much earlier than he should have.

A very small and bitter little troll. Just like his hero, Fergie.

x43r0 · 16-10-2014 09:23AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Scholes is some hypocrite. Pulled out of plenty of England squads himself and retired much earlier than he should have.

A very small and bitter little troll. Just like his hero, Fergie.

The Utd crowd outside Francie's house any minute now :P

PhlegmyMoses · 16-10-2014 09:33AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Scholes is some hypocrite. Pulled out of plenty of England squads himself and retired much earlier than he should have.

A very small and bitter little troll. Just like his hero, Fergie.

I genuinely don't see any digs there. He's highly complimentary of Sterling and is asking a valid question about an unusual situation. Think about it. How many times has a player pulled himself out of a game, not due to injury or feeling a twinge, but due to tiredness? Then add in the fact that the player's club manager has had a very recent spat with the national set-up about how they manage player's fitness. I was wondering whether Rodgers had a word when it was announced and I'm sure everyone here was too.

Scholes is quite an honest pundit and this seems to grate on many United fans as well. The Rooney article a while back got few people's knickers in a twist. I actually don't often agree with his analysis but I don't think he's "a little troll" as you put it.

MD1990 · 16-10-2014 09:38AM

How can Scholes not blame Hodgson one bit? Hodgson helped get Sturridge injured & then hung Sterling out to dry. Also Scholes says Sterling can't be physically tired because he is only 19. A very naive statement as he is most likely not 100% developed.

SlickRic · 16-10-2014 09:47AM

Just because Scholes might be incorrect doesn't mean he's trolling.

He's also a Utd fan, obviously. He's going to be slightly biased and choose to see things certain ways. Just like Hanson and Thompson are against Utd.

NukaCola · 16-10-2014 09:54AM

Its quite easy for an ex Man Utd Englishman to side with the England team when a club versus country debate comes up. Especially if that club is LFC. Hardly shocking. All these ex player pundits have brought their club bias with them by and large.

DVDM93 · 16-10-2014 09:55AM

To be fair Scholes has a point when he says that Sterling should either pick football or acting. Working as both a professional footballer and an actor are obviously taking their toll. It's a lot to ask of anyone nevermind a 19 year old who's still developing. IMO he should stick to football as his role in Eddie Murphy's 'Coming to America' didn't quite cut it for me.

rob316 · 16-10-2014 10:04AM

The proof is in the pudding with the 2 day recovery though for quick players in our case. We have a very low amount of muscles injuries in comparison to say Man United or Arsenal. Sterling never injured, Suarez was never injured and Sturridge seems to get injured on international duty mostly.

England need to look at their fitness regime and not criticise Liverpool's.

gafferino · 16-10-2014 10:44AM

He added: “I can see already that the Liverpool fans really like me, although I know that maybe they are a little upset because I don’t score. I see they appreciate that I am working hard, though, which is nice for me.

“I know I have one goal in the Champions League, but in the Premier League I have to start with one. After that, I might set myself a target, but I swear – right now my first league goal is my first and only objective.

“I need to get in the box more. I don’t do it enough, but it is something I am working to try to do more. I have never been a real, out-and-out striker – I have always been someone who goes around the pitch, you know?

“If it was my choice, I would always go with two strikers. It’s the way I like to play, but Brendan asked me to play as the first striker. I understand that when the ball comes from wide on the left or right, I need to be in the box otherwise there might be no-one there at all.”

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-anfield-shock-liverpool-are-better-i-thought-admits-balotelli-141016119066?

BenEadir · 16-10-2014 11:53AM

MD1990 wrote: »

Hodgson helped get Sturridge injured

Really? Did Hodgson catch him with a late tackle or something?

AFAIK Sturridge was doing a normal training session along with every other player in the England squad.

Demosthenese · 16-10-2014 11:57AM

Scholes : Let’s be clear about one thing first when it comes to footballers and their post-match routines: if you are 19 years old like Raheem Sterling, or even 25 years old like Daniel Sturridge, you do not need a two-day recovery after playing a game.

Couldn't agree more ... Sterling is 19 years old and its not even 10 matches into the premier league so saying he is tired is a little thin and he is now caught up in the rubbish between Rodgers and Hodgson ... fair enough we were all pissed when Sturridge got an injury and it is frustrating to see our form dip as a result but its not the fault of the international setup its just football. Sturridge will always be injury prone and thats just the case here unfortunately.

Time to focus on football for BR and stop getting involved in petty squabbles ... big game this week.

joe123 · 16-10-2014 12:00PM

BenEadir wrote: »

Really? Did Hodgson catch him with a late tackle or something?

AFAIK Sturridge was doing a normal training session along with every other player in the England squad.

Surely you know the story at this stage? Liverpool have Sturridge on set regime, sturridge requested the same from England and they denied him.

Made him train and he got injured.

brevity · 16-10-2014 12:02PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

Couldn't agree more ... Sterling is 19 years old and its not even 10 matches into the premier league so saying he is tired is a little thin and he is now caught up in the rubbish between Rodgers and Hodgson ... fair enough we were all pissed when Sturridge got an injury and it is frustrating to see our form dip as a result but its not the fault of the international setup its just football. Sturridge will always be injury prone and thats just the case here unfortunately.

That's all well and good but what happens when his form deteriorates & people get on his back. Relying on a 19 year old as much as we have been is a little unfair imo.

NukaCola · 16-10-2014 12:02PM

BenEadir wrote: »

Really? Did Hodgson catch him with a late tackle or something?

AFAIK Sturridge was doing a normal training session along with every other player in the England squad.

When a player has a history of injuries, a simple request to help manage the player by the people who employ that player should be granted.

You can make little quips all you want but if he was rested he may not be injured now. Hodgson has a history of playing players when they are not 100% fit.

dfx- · 16-10-2014 12:03PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Messi,Neymar and Suarez. Holy ****!

With Rakitic and Iniesta behind them. It's great :cool:

taidghbaby · 16-10-2014 12:04PM

The idea that all young players do not need extended recovery just because they're young is ****ing laughable!

MD1990 · 16-10-2014 12:05PM

BenEadir wrote: »

Really? Did Hodgson catch him with a late tackle or something?

AFAIK Sturridge was doing a normal training session along with every other player in the England squad.

Rodgers told England & Hodgson that Sturridge needed a 2nd day recovery session. Hodgson didn't listen & had him training normally which resulted in an injury for Sturridge.

slingerz · 16-10-2014 12:07PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

Scholes : Let’s be clear about one thing first when it comes to footballers and their post-match routines: if you are 19 years old like Raheem Sterling, or even 25 years old like Daniel Sturridge, you do not need a two-day recovery after playing a game.

Couldn't agree more ... Sterling is 19 years old and its not even 10 matches into the premier league so saying he is tired is a little thin and he is now caught up in the rubbish between Rodgers and Hodgson ... fair enough we were all pissed when Sturridge got an injury and it is frustrating to see our form dip as a result but its not the fault of the international setup its just football. Sturridge will always be injury prone and thats just the case here unfortunately.

Time to focus on football for BR and stop getting involved in petty squabbles ... big game this week.

Tar everyone with the same brush then.

surely individual needs are more appropriate for dealing with players at this level.

As pointed out sturidge needs his set regime due to his tendancy to pick up muscle injuries. last year i reckon Suarez didnt need the same regime due to his durability. Sterling may need somethng similar to Sturridge rather than a regime that was suitable to a Suarez/Henderson

NukaCola · 16-10-2014 12:10PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

Scholes : Let’s be clear about one thing first when it comes to footballers and their post-match routines: if you are 19 years old like Raheem Sterling, or even 25 years old like Daniel Sturridge, you do not need a two-day recovery after playing a game.

Couldn't agree more ... Sterling is 19 years old and its not even 10 matches into the premier league so saying he is tired is a little thin and he is now caught up in the rubbish between Rodgers and Hodgson ... fair enough we were all pissed when Sturridge got an injury and it is frustrating to see our form dip as a result but its not the fault of the international setup its just football. Sturridge will always be injury prone and thats just the case here unfortunately.

Time to focus on football for BR and stop getting involved in petty squabbles ... big game this week.

What the **** does Paul Scholes know about managing players fitness? Absolutely **** all.

Just because he didn't doesn't mean every player doesn't.

Demosthenese · 16-10-2014 12:12PM

slingerz wrote: »

Tar everyone with the same brush then.

surely individual needs are more appropriate for dealing with players at this level.

As pointed out sturidge needs his set regime due to his tendancy to pick up muscle injuries. last year i reckon Suarez didnt need the same regime due to his durability. Sterling may need somethng similar to Sturridge rather than a regime that was suitable to a Suarez/Henderson

As Scholes said there were some that trained differently, mainly the older players - i'd be inclined to TAR the 19 year olds with same brush myself and i find it a little hard to believe that we are talking about him needing a rest before anyone else in the squad this season - doesn't add up to me - Sturridge - possibly but i'd still lean on the side of Scholes' and others international players judgement that they all follow the same regime.

Not like Roy wants him injured he is one of his best players.

Would we even skip a beat if Seamus Coleman or James MCCarthy played 90 mins in both qualifiers and got injured? What about if they said they were tired?

Demosthenese · 16-10-2014 12:15PM

NukaCola wrote: »

What the **** does Paul Scholes know about managing players fitness? Absolutely **** all.

Just because he didn't doesn't mean every player doesn't.

Well, for starters he only played for 20 odd years with a training regime that was most likely second to none - played alongside players of different sizes, abilities, NEEDS and surely would have an idea what he is on about.

Would you question Stevie G if he came out and said the same comments? Also a little common sense here ... Sterling, tired? Come on.

NukaCola · 16-10-2014 12:15PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

i'd be inclined to TAR the 19 year olds with same brush myself and i find it a little hard to believe that we are talking about him needing a rest before anyone else in the squad this season

Raheem Sterling played the second highest minutes from the England squad that started against Estonia. Are you saying he should not be tired because he's 19?

slingerz · 16-10-2014 12:16PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

As Scholes said there were some that trained differently, mainly the older players - i'd be inclined to TAR the 19 year olds with same brush myself and i find it a little hard to believe that we are talking about him needing a rest before anyone else in the squad this season - doesn't add up to me - Sturridge - possibly but i'd still lean on the side of Scholes' and others international players judgement that they all follow the same regime.

Not like Roy wants him injured he is one of his best players.

Would we even skip a beat if Seamus Coleman or James MCCarthy played 90 mins in both qualifiers and got injured? What about if they said they were tired?

Seamus Coleman and McCarthy are different types of players that dont suffer from the same muscle injuries that Sturridge or Sterling suffer from? So why would they need the same type of training?

Michael Owen was a similar player to sterling in terms of body composition and he suffered from numberous recurring muscle injuries that perhaps could have been avoided by following a similar sports science decided training routine as Sterling/Sturridge are now undertaking

taidghbaby · 16-10-2014 12:17PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

As Scholes said there were some that trained differently, mainly the older players - i'd be inclined to TAR the 19 year olds with same brush myself and i find it a little hard to believe that we are talking about him needing a rest before anyone else in the squad this season - doesn't add up to me - Sturridge - possibly but i'd still lean on the side of Scholes' and others international players judgement that they all follow the same regime.

Not like Roy wants him injured he is one of his best players.

Would we even skip a beat if Seamus Coleman or James MCCarthy played 90 mins in both qualifiers and got injured? What about if they said they were tired?

You would tar all 19 year olds with the same brush - did you get that opinion from your years of work as a fitness coach of a professional team?

NukaCola · 16-10-2014 12:18PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

Well, for starters he only played for 20 odd years with a training regime that was most likely second to none - played alongside players of different sizes, abilities, NEEDS and surely would have an idea what he is on about.

Would you question Stevie G if he came out and said the same comments? Also a little common sense here ... Sterling, tired? Come on.

That does not make him qualified. He also played for the one of the best managers ever, would he be a great manager? Paul Scholes was a great Midfield player, that doesn't mean he know what he's talking about when it comes to players fitness.

As i said before Raheem Sterling played the second highest minutes from the England squad that started against Estonia. Are you saying he should not be tired because he's 19?

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