Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

wcarey1975 · 15-10-2014 08:12AM

Dickerty wrote: »

Unless they are out of the running for trophies, and we offer them a sweetener.
Maybe first choice on some nice loan options for next season, and a few quid?

TBH I'd rather him stay there then offer them more money for a player that we already own. There's no point throwing him into a struggling side, which if we're thinking about bring him back in January, we will most likely be.

5starpool · 15-10-2014 08:21AM

So, injuries from internationals? Lovren and possibly Markovic. Is that it?

whatawaster · 15-10-2014 08:36AM

wcarey1975 wrote: »

TBH I'd rather him stay there then offer them more money for a player that we already own. There's no point throwing him into a struggling side, which if we're thinking about bring him back in January, we will most likely be.

An injury to Sturridge would be the only reason to recall Origi

Agent Coulson · 15-10-2014 08:50AM

5starpool wrote: »

So, injuries from internationals? Lovren and possibly Markovic. Is that it?

Markovic was on the bench last night so I'd say he will be fit for Sunday.

gafferino · 15-10-2014 09:20AM

5starpool wrote: »

So, injuries from internationals? Lovren and possibly Markovic. Is that it?

Just Lovren as far as I know. Markovic was on twitter a few days ago saying he was fit for lasts night game. He was on the bench and game abandoned before half time.

Francie Barrett · 15-10-2014 10:43AM

Why are people even debating Origi? There is NO option to recall him.

'Our deal was that we couldn't bring him in now,' Rodgers continued.

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Agent Coulson · 15-10-2014 11:47AM

England's Roy Hodgson 'extremely stupid' to question Liverpool over Raheem Sterling recovery, says expert

Hodgson, who claimed Sterling had declared himself too "tired" to start England's Euro 2016 qualifier in Estonia on Sunday – a claim sources close to Sterling dispute – said: "I don't think there is a lot of medical evidence to support the two-day recovery." Verheijen countered: "Another shocking example of why English managers are becoming extinct is England national team manager Roy Hodgson.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/11161486/Englands-Roy-Hodgson-extremely-stupid-to-question-Liverpool-over-Raheem-Sterling-recovery-says-expert.html

Roy Hodgson branded a 'dinosaur' over Raheem Sterling tiredness row

"Embarrassing to see dinosaur Hodgson questioning the fitness regime of the forward thinking manager Brendan Rodgers.

"Roy Hodgson's incompetence must be frustrating for educated managers like Brendan Rodgers who travelled the world."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12016/9517817/european-qualifiers-roy-hodgson-branded-a-dinosaur-over-raheem-sterling-tiredness-row

SM01 · 15-10-2014 11:58AM

Some gossip for the LFC gossip and rumours thread from the twittersphere. This was retweeted by Graham Kelly (who has gotten Xfer info correct in the past) and when questioned about it he said that it lines up with what he's heard and it's in relation to Suso moving on:

LFC interested in Konoplyanka and Yarmolenko, both of whom are available on a Bosman in the summer but would be willing to pay a nominal fee to get them in Jan.

Harry Palmr · 15-10-2014 12:03PM

There is no reason on earth to buy either of them never mind both even for little money, how on earth would you play them (and don't say on the wings!)?

Agent Coulson · 15-10-2014 12:04PM

Konoplyanka and Yarmolenko for free or a couple of million now that would be nice.

One would be great both would be greater

On the wings

We are giving out about buying potential the whole time, one or both of these is what we need experienced International players.

Dickerty · 15-10-2014 12:13PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

There is no reason on earth to buy either of them never mind both even for little money, how on earth would you play them (and don't say on the wings!)?

The reason is - cause it give us more attacking options, and we are losing Suso, and we have to assume that Sterling and Coutinho can't play every game.

Better Kono than Borini, no?

15-10-2014 12:20PM

The more quality we can get the better tbh

Harry Palmr · 15-10-2014 12:21PM

I just see too many players not playing enough games.

Next season

Kono
Yarmo
Markovic
Lallana
Coutinho
Sterling
Origi
Ibe
Sturridge
Dele Alli

plus Reus or Benzema

(won't attempt to suggest Balo or Borini will be at the club)

and I bet no one is bought for CM/DM :mad:

5live · 15-10-2014 12:26PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Konoplyanka and Yarmolenko for free or a couple of million now that would be nice.

One would be great both would be greater

On the wings

We are giving out about buying potential the whole time, one or both of these is what we need experienced International players.

We're going to need bigger wings...

Agent Coulson · 15-10-2014 12:33PM

5live wrote: »

We're going to need bigger wings...

Get Ayre after a new sponsorship deal with these guys they will give us wings :cool:

Agent Coulson · 15-10-2014 12:35PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

and I bet no one is bought for CM/DM :mad:

Sure we have Gerrard for another 2 seasons at least to play there :P

Dickerty · 15-10-2014 12:52PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Get Ayre after a new sponsorship deal with these guys they will give us wings :cool:

Except that it doesn't REALLY give you wings, according to a recent court ruling that cost them $13M!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11155731/13m-lawsuit-proves-Red-Bull-doesnt-give-you-wings.html

Agent Coulson · 15-10-2014 12:59PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Except that it doesn't REALLY give you wings, according to a recent court ruling that cost them $13M!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11155731/13m-lawsuit-proves-Red-Bull-doesnt-give-you-wings.html

I read that last week..only in.....:pac:

Hangballlouie · 15-10-2014 01:04PM

Kono
Konoplyanka
Runs down the wing for me

Do do do do do do do do do do

DVDM93 · 15-10-2014 01:13PM

I wouldn't take Origi back in January to be honest. He's developed in to a very good player and doing well with Lille, which is what we want. We still have Sturridge to come back and besides, we're in a bit of a mess at the moment to be honest. Bringing Origi in to that couldn't do him any good. Leave him be 'til we work on settling this squad.

Oh, Gerrard is 11 years club captain today.

Dickerty · 15-10-2014 02:06PM

DVDM93 wrote: »

We still have Sturridge to come back and besides, we're in a bit of a mess at the moment to be honest. Bringing Origi in to that couldn't do him any good.

It absolutely could. He's starting Lique 1 and International games, he's at a similar level to Sterling in terms of development. If he was with us now, he'd be competing for starts with Balotelli, no question.
It would give us a boost in terms of goal threat as the second half of the season takes it's toll.

Plus, it gives him 6 months to settle in before next season.

Will I Amnt · 15-10-2014 02:55PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

England's Roy Hodgson 'extremely stupid' to question Liverpool over Raheem Sterling recovery, says expert

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/11161486/Englands-Roy-Hodgson-extremely-stupid-to-question-Liverpool-over-Raheem-Sterling-recovery-says-expert.html

Roy Hodgson branded a 'dinosaur' over Raheem Sterling tiredness row

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12016/9517817/european-qualifiers-roy-hodgson-branded-a-dinosaur-over-raheem-sterling-tiredness-row

Not saying I disagree with the sentiment but Verheijen is a bit of a sensationalist media whore.

Roy Hodgson's incompetence must be frustrating for educated managers like Brendan Rodgers who travelled the world

Is Rodgers some sort of Phileas Fogg or something? It's not like Hodgson spent his life in England, strange comment.

Francie Barrett · 15-10-2014 03:00PM

Big problem for us is that we just aren't being ambitious enough in the transfer market. If our ambition is top 4, then we need to be showing it in the transfer market by bring in a marquee signing. Look at United, they were in trouble, and they responded by dropping a load of cash on bringing in proven talent (Mata, Falcao, Di Maria). To a lesser extent, Arsenal did the same (Ozil and Sanchez). Liverpool on the other hand responded to losing Suarez by bringing in Lallana, Balotelli and Markovic. None of these will be bad players, but have they the quality to be top 4? Are they the type of player who you would put money on scoring 20 goals a season or racking up masses of assists? These links to Yarmo/Kono/Shaquiri are equality disappointing. Seems like we are just trying to make do, or we are taking a gamble. Sometimes this strategy can work (Sturridge) but more often than not you're left disappointed.

I think people get way too obsessed with this notion of squad depth. So instead of forking out the money for a really good player, you end up getting two average players and you end up with a team that under-performs most of the time rather than one that plays really well a good deal of the time.

Harry Palmr · 15-10-2014 03:01PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Is Rodgers some sort of Phileas Fogg or something? It's not like Hodgson spent his life in England, strange comment.

The difference is Rodgers spent his time at Ajax and Barcelona learning the art of top level football, Hogdson went to teach Sweden, Switzerland and Finland how to play a prosaic meat and potato game.

I am pie · 15-10-2014 03:08PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Big problem for us is that we just aren't being ambitious enough in the transfer market. If our ambition is top 4, then we need to be showing it in the transfer market by bring in a marquee signing. Look at United, they were in trouble, and they responded by dropping a load of cash on bringing in proven talent (Mata, Falcao, Di Maria). To a lesser extent, Arsenal did the same (Ozil and Sanchez). Liverpool on the other hand responded to losing Suarez by bringing in Lallana, Balotelli and Markovic. None of these will be bad players, but have they the quality to be top 4? Are they the type of player who you would put money on scoring 20 goals a season or racking up masses of assists? These links to Yarmo/Kono/Shaquiri are equality disappointing. Seems like we are just trying to make do, or we are taking a gamble. Sometimes this strategy can work (Sturridge) but more often than not you're left disappointed.

I think people get way too obsessed with this notion of squad depth. So instead of forking out the money for a really good player, you end up getting two average players and you end up with a team that under-performs most of the time rather than one that plays really well a good deal of the time.

So far I am thanking my lucky stars we didn't sink a load of money into a player like Ozil, not worth the money or the compromises you need to make to get him into the team.

Sanchez? So far I am going to say I'd rather have Sturridge or Sterling. Sterling will be back on form soon enough.

Hopefully the penny has dropped the we are not United and Falcao would not have come to us. Simple really.

Will I Amnt · 15-10-2014 03:19PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The difference is Rodgers spent his time at Ajax and Barcelona learning the art of top level football, Hogdson went to teach Sweden, Switzerland and Finland how to play a prosaic meat and potato game.

I wasn't aware he was at Ajax. I knew he studied in Spain so the "travelled the world" comment seemed a bit odd, still does if it's just Holland and Spain.

Was he even at Ajax? A quick google doesn't bring anything up.

SM01 · 15-10-2014 03:23PM

The Verheijen quotes are from his twitter tirades which tend to be abrupt (to put it politely) but I wouldn't be so sure he goes out of the way to court publicity. The majority of the coverage I see him get tends to be other journalists picking up on what he says on his twitter account. He does seem to be a divisive chap though.

As an aside, two things he advocates - Periodisation and an in-depth understanding of soft tissue injuries/recovery - appear to be an after-thought at some football clubs and Hodgson (who I don't dislike, unlike many Liverpool fans on here) has demonstrated that his views are dated in that regard.

5starpool · 15-10-2014 03:24PM

We don't really have access to the same level of money Arsenal, or especially utd do in terms of transfer fees or wages.

Harry Palmr · 15-10-2014 03:38PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I wasn't aware he was at Ajax. I knew he studied in Spain so the "travelled the world" comment seemed a bit odd, still does if it's just Holland and Spain.

Was he even at Ajax? A quick google doesn't bring anything up.

to quote the man himself

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/swansea-city/8541337/Swansea-City-v-Reading-Brendan-Rodgers-Barcelona-model-is-more-than-a-passing-phase.html

“I wanted to be the best I possibly could,” he said. “I had a great education coming through the English FA, did courses with the Scottish FA but I also went out and travelled.

“I went to Spain, to Barcelona, Sevilla and Valencia. These are the best schools of football in the world, how they develop players. Then I spent time in Holland.

klose · 15-10-2014 03:49PM

Can and Lovren were training today which is good news, no sign of Allen apparently.

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