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Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

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  • #1022
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    natashaob6 wrote: »
    I didn't think there were that many test channels left on each Mux.

    There isn't, they're just blank carriers and won't become actual channels. Don't know the reason behind it but could be related to the future launch of UTVI and maybe Oireachtas TV?


  • #1023
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I have a total of 36 TV channels and 20 radio channels that were scanned from Three Rock this evening on my Triax TSC 114 combi box.

    All of the TV channels are unscrambled after the rescan.

    Can someone tell me why is there the need for these additional services to be on Saorview even possibly for a short period. Saorview is only planning to officially launch one channel in the new year and another one being under discussion with 2rn.

    The extra space will eventually be taken up with the launch of UTVi and possibly Oireachtas TV.


  • #1024
    zg3409
    Registered Users Posts: 6,558 ✭✭✭zg3409


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    I have a total of 36 TV channels and 20 radio channels that were scanned from Three Rock this evening on my Triax TSC 114 combi box.

    All of the TV channels are unscrambled after the rescan.

    Can someone tell me why is there the need for these additional services to be on Saorview even possibly for a short period. Saorview is only planning to officially launch one channel in the new year and another one being under discussion with 2rn.

    The extra space will eventually be taken up with the launch of UTVi and possibly Oireachtas TV.

    Firstly there is no need to rescan, except for fun. Most/all the channels are marked as hidden so on approved boxes they will not display during up down channel selections unless you press the exact digits (e.g. 1,4 for 14) , so they should not cause much alarm for people with approved boxes. They don't actually take up much space as there is not much moving video on them, so the quality of the existing channels should not be affected.

    One of the channels I think is the old RTE1 or 2 signal, which is now a test card which will appear on peoples TVs who never rescanned ages ago. This is good and would help someone realise the TV is not broken, but that one of their channels is now a test card. This may cause them to rescan. Also test cards are a useful way of testing.

    In reality what they might be doing is putting placeholders on certain channel numbers, which may help with rescanning at a later date. Currently the channel is flagged as hidden, but if they add the channel and then flag it as unhidden approved boxes may just start displaying the new channel without any need to rescan. Thus from day 1 the new channel will just "appear" on peoples TV. For this to happen they would have needed to have rescanned after the hidden channels first appeared. I am not sure if this is how it will work, but it could be the reason they have all these placeholders.

    I am currently in a location with reception from Northern Ireland and the Republic. The placeholders also "reserve" the channel numbers, so after a rescan the Irish stations are in numbers 1-18 (including testcards) and the UK channels start from 19 upwards. Without the testcards BBC 1 would be number 10 and then move higher later. At least this allows the numbers 1-18 reserved for ROI channels. If I use the UP down on the remote BBC1 is directly above the current Saorview non hidden channels, and if one of the hidden ones suddenly became unhidden, it would magically appear in the middle, hopefully without the need to rescan.

    People not rescanning/not knowing etc could be a big problem for any new TV station launching, and they would not have many viewers in the first couple of months.


  • #1025
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I had to rescan my combi box because it didn't include the extra channels in my receiver's channel list. I would still have gotten onto the satellite channels instead if I didn't rescan them.

    I don't know what is the full story here regarding these channels but the method in getting them may be different for people which may depend on the setup of their equipment into their TV sets at home. The difference on my receiver is that all of them are unhidden so they are there on my channel list at any time until they may go off air when UTVI is launched in January.


  • #1026
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Current Saorview multiplex line-up

    Channel line-up by LCN on a Saorview TV setup with Ireland as the country/region on first install
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    Mux
    |
    01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
    02|RTÉ 2|HD|1|
    03|TV3|SD|1|
    04|TG4|SD|1|
    05|3e|SD|1|
    06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
    07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|2|
    08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
    09-11*|(blank)||2|
    12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
    13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
    14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
    15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|
    16-17*|(blank)||2|
    18*|(blank)||1|previously - LCN08 RTÉ1 +1
    19-20*|(blank)||1|
    21*|Test transmission/testcard|SD|1|previously - LCN07 RTÉ Junior, LCN17 Oireachtas TV test transmission
    22*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|1|previously - LCN01/11 RTÉ1 SD
    23-26*|(blank)||1|
    27-31*|(blank)||2|
    32-34*|(blank)||1|
    200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
    201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
    202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
    203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
    204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
    205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
    206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
    207*|(blank)|Radio|1|previously - RTÉ Choice
    208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
    209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
    210-219*|(blank)|Radio|2| audio on 212/213
    254|SSU||1|
    255|SSU||2|

    Multiplex 1
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    02|RTÉ 2|HD|
    03|TV3|SD|
    04|TG4|SD|
    05|3e|SD|
    06|RTÉ News Now|SD|
    18*|(blank)||previously - LCN08 RTÉ1 +1
    19-20*|(blank)||
    21*|Test transmission/testcard|SD|previously - LCN07 RTÉ Junior, LCN17 Oireachtas TV test transmission
    22*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|previously - LCN01/11 RTÉ1 SD
    23-26*|(blank)||
    32-34*|(blank)||
    200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|
    201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|
    202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|
    203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|
    204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|
    205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|
    206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio
    207*|(blank)|Radio|previously - RTÉ Choice
    208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|
    209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio

    Multiplex 2
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    01|RTÉ One|HD|
    07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|
    08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|
    09-11*|(blank)||
    12*| (no channel name/testcard) |HD|
    13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|
    14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|TG4 subtitles and teletext previously
    15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|
    16-17*|(blank)||
    27-31*|(blank)||
    210-219*|(blank)|Radio|audio on 212/213

    * Hidden on Saorview receivers but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
    ** RTÉ Junior 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing


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  • #1027
    h7nlrp2v0g5u48
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭h7nlrp2v0g5u48


    207 now active carrying RTE junior radio. All other test radio labels are blank and now says no service available. I did another rescan and can now get an extra 8 blank carriers on both mux1 and 2. So when I press the number keys I can go up as far as 50. 212 and 213 radio test are now blank.


  • #1028
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Current Saorview multiplex line-up

    Channel line-up by LCN on a Saorview TV setup with Ireland as the country/region on first install
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    Mux
    |
    01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
    02|RTÉ 2|HD|1|
    03|TV3|SD|1|
    04|TG4|SD|1|
    05|3e|SD|1|
    06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
    07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|2|
    08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
    09-11*|(blank)||2|
    12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
    13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
    14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
    15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|
    16-17*|(blank)||2|
    18*|(blank)||1|previously - LCN08 RTÉ1 +1
    19-20*|(blank)||1|
    21*|Test transmission/testcard|SD|1|previously - LCN07 RTÉ Junior, LCN17 Oireachtas TV test transmission
    22*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|1|previously - LCN01/11 RTÉ1 SD
    23-26*|(blank)||1|
    27-31*|(blank)||2|
    32-42*|(blank)||1|
    43-50*|(blank)||2|
    200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
    201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
    202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
    203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
    204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
    205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
    206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
    207|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|previously - RTÉ Choice
    208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
    209|(blank)|Radio|1|previously - RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill
    210-220*|(blank)|Radio|2|audio on 212 (Lyric)/213 (Pulse)
    254|SSU||1|
    255|SSU||2|

    Multiplex 1
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    02|RTÉ 2|HD|
    03|TV3|SD|
    04|TG4|SD|
    05|3e|SD|
    06|RTÉ News Now|SD|
    18*|(blank)||previously - LCN08 RTÉ1 +1
    19-20*|(blank)||
    21*|Test transmission/testcard|SD|previously - LCN07 RTÉ Junior, LCN17 Oireachtas TV test transmission
    22*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|previously - LCN01/11 RTÉ1 SD
    23-26*|(blank)||
    32-42*|(blank)||
    200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|
    201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|
    202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|
    203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|
    204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|
    205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|
    206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio
    207|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|previously - RTÉ Choice
    208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|
    209|(blank)|Radio|previously - RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill

    Multiplex 2
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    01|RTÉ One|HD|
    07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|
    08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|
    09-11*|(blank)||
    12*| (no channel name/testcard) |HD|
    13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|
    14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|TG4 subtitles and teletext previously
    15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|
    16-17*|(blank)||
    27-31*|(blank)||
    43-50*|(blank)||
    210-220*|(blank)|Radio|audio on 212 (Lyric)/213 (Pulse)

    * Hidden on Saorview receivers but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
    ** RTÉ Junior 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing


  • #1029
    galtee boy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    RTE TWO also changed to RTE2 on Saorview.


  • #1030
    Machinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Machinehead


    Can anyone understand or explain why 2RN or Saorview would need to would start showing up to 50 LCN's in the TV section alone?


  • #1031
    Booms
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭Booms


    Because they think The Cush has too much spare time on his hands :D


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  • #1032
    h7nlrp2v0g5u48
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭h7nlrp2v0g5u48


    Test channel 15 is now showing RTE ONE +1 place holder with rnag audio. Also test channel 21 is showing RTE News Now.


  • #1033
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Machinehead wrote: »
    Can anyone understand or explain why 2RN or Saorview would need to would start showing up to 50 LCN's in the TV section alone?

    I did a re-scan this morning and found 73 channels from Three Rock (Ch 30 & 33)

    Very strange as there's only 8 TV and 9 Radio channels on the proper EPG


  • #1034
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The network names have been changed too. They're now 2RN 1 and 2RN 2.


  • #1035
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    natashaob6 wrote: »
    Test channel 15 is now showing RTE ONE +1 place holder with rnag audio. Also test channel 21 is showing RTE News Now.

    The picture quality of News Now on 21 is better than 5. Less compression artifacts.


  • #1036
    satelliteman20
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭satelliteman20


    the rte news now resolution is 704 x 576 while the rte one + 1 is 544x576 maybe the news now test is for utv also they use higher resolution on freeview and freesat


  • #1037
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Booms wrote: »
    Because they think The Cush has too much spare time on his hands :D

    ... well no point giving up now :D

    Current Saorview multiplex line-up

    Channel line-up by LCN on a Saorview TV setup with Ireland as the country/region on first install
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    Mux
    |
    01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
    02|RTÉ 2|HD|1|
    03|TV3|SD|1|
    04|TG4|SD|1|
    05|3e|SD|1|
    06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
    07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|2|
    08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
    09-11*|(blank)||2|
    12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
    13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
    14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
    15*|Test transmission/RTÉ One +1|SD|2|
    16-17*|(blank)||2|
    18*|(blank)||1|previously - LCN08 RTÉ1 +1
    19-20*|(blank)||1|
    21*|Test transmission/RTÉ News Now|SD|1|previously - LCN07 RTÉ Junior, LCN17 Oireachtas TV test transmission
    22*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|1|previously - LCN01/11 RTÉ1 SD
    23-26*|(blank)||1|
    27-31*|(blank)||2|
    32-42*|(blank)||1|
    43-50*|(blank)||2|
    200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
    201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
    202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
    203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
    204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
    205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
    206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
    207|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|previously - RTÉ Choice
    208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
    209|(blank)|Radio|1|previously - RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill
    210-220*|(blank)|Radio|2|audio on 212 (Lyric)/213 (Pulse)
    254|SSU||1|
    255|SSU||2|

    Multiplex 1
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    02|RTÉ 2|HD|
    03|TV3|SD|
    04|TG4|SD|
    05|3e|SD|
    06|RTÉ News Now|SD|
    18*|(blank)||previously - LCN08 RTÉ1 +1
    19-20*|(blank)||
    21*|Test transmission/RTÉ News Now|SD|previously - LCN07 RTÉ Junior, LCN17 Oireachtas TV test transmission
    22*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|previously - LCN01/11 RTÉ1 SD
    23-26*|(blank)||
    32-42*|(blank)||
    200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|
    201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|
    202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|
    203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|
    204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|
    205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|
    206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio
    207|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|previously - RTÉ Choice
    208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|
    209|(blank)|Radio|previously - RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill

    Multiplex 2
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    01|RTÉ One|HD|
    07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|
    08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|
    09-11*|(blank)||
    12*| (no channel name/testcard) |HD|
    13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|
    14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|TG4 subtitles and teletext previously
    15*|Test transmission/RTÉ One +1|SD|
    16-17*|(blank)||
    27-31*|(blank)||
    43-50*|(blank)||
    210-220*|(blank)|Radio|audio on 212 (Lyric)/213 (Pulse)

    * Hidden on Saorview receivers but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
    ** RTÉ Junior 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing


  • #1038
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Karsini wrote: »
    The picture quality of News Now on 21 is better than 5. Less compression artifacts.
    satelliteman20 wrote: »
    the rte news now resolution is 704 x 576 while the rte one + 1 is 544x576 maybe the news now test is for utv also they use higher resolution on freeview and freesat

    Looks much sharper alright, hopefully the other channels may be considering it.


  • #1039
    Rick_
    Registered Users Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭Rick_


    Is the test of News Now on 21 perhaps because it could move there to keep it separate from the entertainment channels? I doubt it, seeing as Saorview is hardly ever going to be packed with channels to need categories, but it is an interesting thought.


  • #1040
    Round Cable
    Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    The Cush wrote: »
    Looks much sharper alright, hopefully the other channels may be considering it.

    Yes it looks a lot better alright, text is much sharper. I could never understand why Saorview chose such low resolutions for the SD channels. The bit rates were more than enough to cater for 'Full SD'.


  • #1041
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Round Cable wrote: »
    I could never understand why Saorview chose such low resolutions for the SD channels. The bit rates were more than enough to cater for 'Full SD'.

    704x576 averages about 300kpbs more than 544x576 I believe, when all the channels were on a single Mux there may not have been enough spare capacity for all channels to run at that resolution.


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  • #1042
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    natashaob6 wrote: »
    Test channel 15 is now showing RTE ONE +1 place holder with rnag audio. Also test channel 21 is showing RTE News Now.

    I see RTÉ One +1 on LCN15 was removed earlier today, before that there was a static caption displayed indicating it had its own stream and not sharing with RTÉjr.


  • #1043
    TAFKAlawhec
    Registered Users Posts: 589 ✭✭✭TAFKAlawhec


    The Cush wrote: »
    704x576 averages about 300kpbs more than 544x576 I believe, when all the channels were on a single Mux there may not have been enough spare capacity for all channels to run at that resolution.
    I still think that at least for SD, 2RN are being a little conservative in looking to avoid artifacting by keeping the picture softer than what it really needs to be - the video bitrates used for TV3, TG4, 3E etc. are around the same ballpark as many 544x576 channels on satellite, even allowing for the former using MPEG4 compared to MPEG2 for the latter.

    Maybe the NN test on LCN 21 is a resolution test to allow for a sharper SD resolution - a channel like News Now should not need consistently high bitrate overheads to allow for a lot of fast moving images.

    Also, according to my receiver the 2RN SD streams are 528x576? :confused:


  • #1044
    RED L4 0TH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭RED L4 0TH


    The Cush wrote: »
    I see RTÉ One +1 on LCN15 was removed earlier today, before that there was a static caption displayed indicating it had its own stream and not sharing with RTÉjr.

    The RTE One + 1 I previously had at position 8 no longer has a name in the EPG. The other RTE One + 1 on Mux 2 does.

    Also in the EPG the no name version has "Programmes start at 19.00' from 2am while the named version has 'No event information' from that time onwards.


  • #1045
    StreetLight
    Registered Users Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    RED L4 0TH wrote: »
    The RTE One + 1 I previously had at position 8 no longer has a name in the EPG. The other RTE One + 1 on Mux 2 does.

    Also in the EPG the no name version has "Programmes start at 19.00' from 2am while the named version has 'No event information' from that time onwards.

    Same here. The hidden RTE1+1 is on LCN 11, manually selected.

    This could mean RTE1+1 is being bumped down to make way for three new services on 8, 9 and 10. Or, maybe it's being re-located to 11 to logically be the first number in the second block of 10. So, if there were to be an RTE2+1, it may appear on 12, TV3+1 on 13 and so on.

    The likelihood of that, though, is another discussion!

    The resolution on LCN11 appears to be higher than that on 8.


  • #1046
    h7nlrp2v0g5u48
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭h7nlrp2v0g5u48


    Test channel 21 has been labelled RTE NEWS NOW with EPG matching that of LCN 6. This can be viewed by using the number keys on your remote. Also test channels 9,10,16,17,18,19 and 20 are all showing test cards. Test channel 9 has audio for RNAG.


  • #1047
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Could UTVI launch in HD and fit on the current two open Mux lads and ladies?


  • #1048
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    irishfeen wrote: »
    Could UTVI launch in HD and fit on the current two open Mux lads and ladies?

    Yes.


  • #1049
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    The Cush wrote: »
    Yes.
    And TV3 & TG4 HD?


  • #1050
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,476 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    irishfeen wrote: »
    And TV3 & TG4 HD?

    Yes, each mux should be able to carry 2 HD channels and a number of SD channels. I guess they could squeeze in 3 HD channels and 1 or 2 SD channels if required.


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  • #1051
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    LCNs 6 and 8 have no name at all on my TV. 11 and 21 do.


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