Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

5starpool · 01-10-2014 09:57PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Off to the game this weekend, did not see game tonight but just reading the train wreck of a match thread i hope it is a better performance.

Can't believe people are still bringing up replacing Suarez, even though there is no replacing him

I'd say you'll hear some amount of grumbling and griping in the stands this weekend. Where are you sitting?

citytillidie · 01-10-2014 10:00PM

5starpool wrote: »

I'd say you'll hear some amount of grumbling and griping in the stands this weekend. Where are you sitting?

KOP block 109 beside the scoreboard, yea it was getting bad near the end of the Villa game

SlickRic · 01-10-2014 10:01PM

Same shít, different day.

I'm getting fúcking passed off at how tedious these results are, and how they're happening.

we're letting in goals from set pieces and we've lost the ability to be clinical.

It's so damn boring.

Is it that hard to coach a team how to defend set pieces?

Raif Severance · 01-10-2014 10:10PM

Ardent wrote: »

Don't agree. That was the best I've seen Coutinho play this season. Maybe he tired a little, but he certainly wasn't taken off for having a bad game.

That's not exactly a Ringing Endorsement.

I could Understand why BR took him off.

There were several Instances were Coutinho jogs nonchalantly, instead of sprinting back and helping out in Defense.

Not to mention, several times where he let Players go Pass him, and then just Stood there and Stop.

01-10-2014 10:14PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Same shít, different day.

I'm getting fúcking passed off at how tedious these results are, and how they're happening.

we're letting in goals from set pieces and we've lost the ability to be clinical.

It's so damn boring.

Is it that hard to coach a team how to defend set pieces?

Just defend in general.

I've blamed every defender, the midfield and the goalkeeper at this point but the manager need to set up the team to not lose goals and games. Give me a boring 1—0 any day.

Ferris_Bueller · 01-10-2014 10:18PM

I'm starting to get worried about Balotelli becoming Andy Carroll 2.0. Okay maybe not, his performances haven't been that bad but he has to start scoring goals, if he is our only striker on the pitch the responsibility to score goals is on him. So far it just seems like he really doesn't suit how we are playing, he needs a partner up there with him.

There is going to be a hell of a lot of pressure on Sturridge when he gets back, if he doesn't score the goals we are in a bigger mess than we think we are, nobody else in this squad looks capable of scoring over ten goals in a season.

We probably aren't too far off "crisis" at the moment, but thankfully the league is very tight. There is so much going wrong it's hard to know where to start.

Vicxas · 01-10-2014 10:19PM

Time to start worrying...

breghall · 01-10-2014 10:23PM

Why do so many think that Sturridge's return is really going to transform this team and their fortunes??

Charlie19 · 01-10-2014 10:32PM

breghall wrote: »

Why do so many think that Sturridge's return is really going to transform this team and their fortunes??

It's kind of obvious, his movement for one and he scores goals.

5starpool · 01-10-2014 10:34PM

breghall wrote: »

Why do so many think that Sturridge's return is really going to transform this team and their fortunes??

Movement, goals, and it surely has to get better. Surely.

murpho999 · 01-10-2014 10:34PM

breghall wrote: »

Why do so many think that Sturridge's return is really going to transform this team and their fortunes??

Feeling is that it will create more attacking options with his movement etc. Don't think it wll solve everything though.

I'm sure the problems stem a lot form Mignolet's lack of dominance causing him to be mistrusted by defence and that puts pressure on them and that unease spreads through the team.

Could be a very long season as Rodgers has got real problems on his hands. First thing is to get injured players back.

mosstin · 01-10-2014 10:36PM

breghall wrote: »

Why do so many think that Sturridge's return is really going to transform this team and their fortunes??

Why would anyone not think that a man who scored 21 league goals and assisted several others last season would not transform the team?

mada999 · 01-10-2014 10:37PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

The man's in a difficult position right now so he's hardly going to start dropping truth bombs and alienating his captain.

Agree, a rock and a hard place...play Gerrard and get a good few poor results over the season.. drop him and initially get poor results and get a big backlash..

Harry Palmr · 01-10-2014 10:38PM

breghall wrote: »

Why do so many think that Sturridge's return is really going to transform this team and their fortunes??

Sturridge won't fix Skrtel, won't fix Gerrard but he will go a long way to fixing the attack. If Liverpool start to score a few the crap going on behind him won't matter so critically and there should be less pressure on the deeper positions.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/01/daniel-sturridge-new-deal-liverpool

Daniel Sturridge has agreed terms on a new five-year contract with Liverpool that will elevate the England international into the highest wage bracket at Anfield.

The 25-year-old is close to signing the incentivised deal, which could yield about £150,000 a week, having been a major success for Brendan Rodgers since his £12m arrival from Chelsea in January 2013. Liverpool have been keen to reflect the striker’s impact and increased importance with an improved contract to 2019 and negotiations are understood to be close to completion.

Sir Gallagher · 01-10-2014 11:10PM

The thing is, if Gerrard is dropped who plays? Lucas? He'd be no better. Our CM is a shambles at the moment. Not counting Henderson who i'd class as a more attacking mid we have

Gerrard: 34
Allen: sicknote
Lucas: not good enough

and Can, which was one of the more baffling purchases of the summer.

Lucas and Allen need to be sold imo, Lucas in Jan and maybe Allen next summer. The hunt for a couple of serious CM's should start now.

Im a big fan of Rodgers, but i think his naivety has him in trouble here. If he makes it through this patch hopefully he will have learned a thing or two, it could be good experience for the man, after all he's still a young manager I believe that he has the mentality to get us through this.

Muahahaha · 01-10-2014 11:24PM

Didnt see the match, just the goal. Anyone else think that Mig could have prevented it by punching it anywhere but onto a strkers toe ?

Also what the story with Victor Valdes ? I'm surprised Mig hasn't been dropped yet, is BR not confident in the no.2?

Charlie19 · 01-10-2014 11:28PM

An old timer like Gerrard offers more going forward than any of our available midfielders, thats the thing with BRs singings in the midfield department, they're all far too similar.

Apart from Can his midfielders are all Number 10s that are able to do a job out wide.

Gerrard certainly has a weakness but what he does offer, outweighs his frailties.

~Rebel~ · 01-10-2014 11:30PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Didnt see the match, just the goal. Anyone else think that Mig could have prevented it by punching it anywhere but onto a strkers toe ?

Also what the story with Victor Valdes ? I'm surprised Mig hasn't been dropped yet, is BR not confident in the no.2?

Our No.2 is, alas, just that.

Charlie19 · 01-10-2014 11:33PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Didnt see the match, just the goal. Anyone else think that Mig could have prevented it by punching it anywhere but onto a strkers toe ?

Also what the story with Victor Valdes ? I'm surprised Mig hasn't been dropped yet, is BR not confident in the no.2?

It was just a reaction save, cant really blame him.

I'd personally blame Skrtel.

Sir Gallagher · 01-10-2014 11:38PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Didnt see the match, just the goal. Anyone else think that Mig could have prevented it by punching it anywhere but onto a strkers toe?

Jaysus, he hasnt been great, but you can hardly blame him for that.

Ardent · 01-10-2014 11:43PM

breghall wrote: »

Why do so many think that Sturridge's return is really going to transform this team and their fortunes??

I'm glad someone made this point! Sturridge is good, but he's not that good. I have my doubts that we will suddenly turn into the wonderfully inventive team of last season when he gets back in the team...

Ardent · 01-10-2014 11:45PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Didnt see the match, just the goal. Anyone else think that Mig could have prevented it by punching it anywhere but onto a strkers toe ?

No, he did all he could there. In fact he a great game overall - pulled off some top drawer saves.

01-10-2014 11:52PM

Ardent wrote: »

No, he did all he could there. In fact he a great game overall - pulled off some top drawer saves.

I can't really blame him for the goal tbf -and he definitely played better tonight than the other day...

He must have been watching Neville on Sky.... :P

Kingdom · 01-10-2014 11:59PM

Something is amiss at present. It takes time for partnerships to grow in all areas of the pitch. The reality is that LFC have a brand new back 4, and a keeper that is far from dominant, vocal or commanding. That was always going to be a tricky one to pull off.
What is really a worry is that the guts of £39m was spent on two centre halves; one of which has shown very little in a short time at the club, and the other who hasn't been poor, but hasn't dominated like most hoped he would.
For that money, and it still is a lot of money, they should be the undisputed centre-back pairing. The reality is that it looks like they are both competing for the left-centre-back role alongside Skrtel, who while a good centre back himself, really needed to be improved upon. Bar a calamity of monumental proportions, Skrtel knows he is first choice, because Kolo is not going to be putting any pressure on him.

Midfield has been a problem for a lot longer than 6 games; it was a problem all last season, masked by extraordinary attacking play, extraordinary levels of stamina by Jordan Henderson, and by a blitzkrieg approach to games. It has to be said too, that LFC have been helped last season, by tactical naivety from opponents. The same has not been repeated this season, and if it was ever going to be shown up, it was likely to be in Europe.

I would love to see Henderson tried out at the base of the three, that Rodgers seems to want. I think it would make a huge difference.

A midfield three of

Henderson

Countinho

Lallana---

would have the dynamism that LFC need, but with steel and pressing.

I appreciate that Markovic looked gick tonight, but I thought there were some really encouraging signs there, and while his final ball was always just that bit out, I think that he really looked to be getting into his stride at times, and attacking space. A concerted run in the side, in a settled side, and one bit of magic - be it an assist or a goal - and I think he'll take off.

Muahahaha · 02-10-2014 12:02AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Jaysus, he hasnt been great, but you can hardly blame him for that.

yeah I only saw the goal and from a bad angle. It was a reaction save but I just thought anywhere but there and the danger would have been clear.
Anyway I'm in Italy and watched the highlights show on local tv where they seemed to spend more time showing and talking about Balotelli than anything else. Luckily their CL highlights program was presented by a couple of very hot chicks because I hadn't a clue what they were saying :pac:

Anyway massive game V West Brom at the weekend, we need to go out and win dirty if necessary. There is worrying signs but I still don't think this is a crisis, more a case of some players not performing and others still not clicking together. My worry though is that we get a 4 or 5 nil drubbing from Real and suddenly everyone will be calling it a crisis and that one result could quickly make events spiral out of control. We need some good performances before facing Madrid and time isnt on our side

Demosthenese · 02-10-2014 12:17AM

As usual our 2 centre halves were more worried about wrestling their man than going and winning the f*cking header - the ball came into our box less than head height by the time anyone touched it - almost came off Lovrens backside! I'd seriously love to be in the room IF/WHEN Rodgers ever actually asked the 2 lads WTF they are doing for Corners/Free kicks that are being played into our area. 2 best headers of the ball tied up by their men cos they refuse to just go and win it - it'd be sickening at MY lowly level on a Saturday morning nevermind the PL ... pair of jokers. Sick of them doing it.

Other than that ... we just seem to lack any real cohesion as a team, the team dynamic that we've only seen once v Spurs has completely gone out the window and i am surprised that BR doesn't seem to be able to get to the players.

We've also played Stevie for 90 mins tonight and we've another game the weekend ... very worrying the way we turnover ball so often, the distribution from the back is horrendous and it's becoming a concern ... not a panic

just a concern.

This weekend will tell alot about our team and BR for sure!

Super-Rush · 02-10-2014 12:55AM

My main problem currently is our work rate without the ball.

Last season players like Henderson, Coutinho, and Sterling were always in the face of the opposition when they had possession. How many goals did we score and chances did we create when we forced teams into playing long balls or into making mistakes?

If we win and lose as a team then we should attack and defend as a team. We just sit back and give teams time to pass it around these days. You don't need to be Luis Suarez to put in a shift for the team.

daithijjj · 02-10-2014 01:21AM

daithijjj wrote: »

Lazy in terms of thought. Lazy in terms of taking instruction from others. Lazy in terms of playing offside to make it more difficult for the opposition. General brain laziness. Lazy in terms of pulling the jersey of an attacker rather than focusing on attacking the ball.

Maybe he makes more blocks etc because he finds himself not close enough to prevent shots at all. Maybe he has more tackles because he is the one left the deepest when everyone else is trying to push up. Maybe he is a loose cannon on deck that stats dont pick up?. Maybe he has the highest number of these stats because he is simply available to play more than others. Fk knows. All i know is i dont rate him in the slightest, never have. And the main stat of conceding goals does not favour him in any way over others.

I concede Mignolet is average........but he is the same keeper behind all the defenders.

Not seen much of the game because i was working but for the goal it happened again. It happens time and time and time again with Skrtel. Never had even a single thought of attacking the ball, instead.........

........he decides to throw the bear hug on the Basle player, hasnt a fkin clue where the ball is, until its too late to do anything other than head the ball towards Mignolet.

Its awful, just awful stuff..........and whats worse.

He does it every game.

Demosthenese · 02-10-2014 02:29AM

Super-Rush wrote: »

My main problem currently is our work rate without the ball.

Last season players like Henderson, Coutinho, and Sterling were always in the face of the opposition when they had possession. How many goals did we score and chances did we create when we forced teams into playing long balls or into making mistakes?

If we win and lose as a team then we should attack and defend as a team. We just sit back and give teams time to pass it around these days. You don't need to be Luis Suarez to put in a shift for the team.

Think the RTE lads touched on this tonight, it is getting a little ridiculous that we cannot even match the tempo for being aggressive when we do not have the ball like last season. Even the most limited player can still close the ball down and give 100% to winning it back - the closing down is shockingly slow. It must be done as a team not in 1's and 2's ... Rodgers doesn't seem to be able to get the players to copy that this season other than the Spurs game obviously ...

For Sundays game i'd be surprised at this stage if Sturridge goes on the bench with the internationals coming up. Gerard doesn't have a replacement thats fit so its basically going to be the same team tonight bar Moreno and probably Lallana starting.

Can a team change their attitude and workrate inside 4 days? We are about to see.

dogbert27 · 02-10-2014 06:09AM

Demosthenese wrote: »

Can a team change their attitude and workrate inside 4 days? We are about to see.

They haven't changed it in 4 weeks so I wouldn't hold my breath!!

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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