Ukraine: As it happens.

Gatling · 01-09-2014 01:26PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

I think everyone here has a fairly decent grasp of what is happening. Some of us are just disingenuous scrotes.

Apparently so

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 01:30PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/07/us-ukraine-idUSBREA151QL20140207

This happened and was verified lads. Reuters good enough these days? Anyone who says the American's fingers arent all over this is either disingenuous or stupid.

Ps note the date of the article and the fact that the 5 days of unrest in Maidan were from 18th to 23rd February 2014.

Autonomous Cowherd · 01-09-2014 01:30PM

Here is a plausible angle to consider. Not saying it is wholly accurate, but it seems to be backed up by facts.

http://scgnews.com/the-ukraine-crisis-what-youre-not-being-told

Gatling · 01-09-2014 01:33PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/07/us-ukraine-idUSBREA151QL20140207

This happened and was verified lads. Reuters good enough these days? Anyone who says the American's fingers arent all over this is either disingenuous or stupid.

Apparently Russian tanks, infantry and heavy artillery are
Currently enjoying a sunshine break in the sovereign country of Ukraine,

According to Vladimir putin verified

comongethappy · 01-09-2014 01:34PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/07/us-ukraine-idUSBREA151QL20140207

This happened and was verified lads. Reuters good enough these days? Anyone who says the American's fingers arent all over this is either disingenuous or stupid

Yep.... Vicky said a naughty word.
The Putinistas gave posted that gajillion times.

Still waiting for proof that Maidan was a US coup?

Helluva lot of CIA staff crammed into that square if so.

Maybe 3rd times the charm?

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 01:38PM

Gatling wrote: »

Apparently Russian tanks, infantry and heavy artillery are
Currently enjoying a sunshine break in the sovereign country of Ukraine,

According to Vladimir putin verified

ALL after the events in Kiev. Does this really need to be explained here?

And if you actually read the article you would see that it is Germany and Angela Merkel that verified it. I give up.

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 01:40PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Yep.... Vicky said a naughty word.
The Putinistas gave posted that gajillion times.

Still waiting for proof that Maidan was a US coup?

Helluva lot of CIA staff crammed into that square if so.

Maybe 3rd times the charm?

If you cannot make the simple link, again, disingenuous or stupid. I have no interest in working that out. Just realised you are one of the goons in the MH-17 thread shouting that the Russians did it with zero evidence still presented. Sigh...

comongethappy · 01-09-2014 01:50PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

If you cannot make the simple link, again, disingenuous or stupid. I have no interest in working that out. Just realised you are one of the goons in the MH-17 thread shouting that the Russians did it with zero evidence still presented. Sigh...

Personal abuse aside, proof doesn't require me to "make the simple link ".
Proof is proof.

Vicky said a naughtyword =/= CIA coup.

You have been asked to back yourself 3 times & you couldn't.

Either your spoofing or your just not the sharpest Mayo knife in the set!

humanji · 01-09-2014 01:50PM

Stop with the petty insults.

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 01:57PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Personal abuse aside, proof doesn't require me to "make the simple link ".
Proof is proof.

Vicky said a naughtyword =/= CIA coup.

You have been asked to back yourself 3 times & you couldn't.

Either your spoofing or your just not the sharpest Mayo knife in the set!

You're. You're. You're. Sorry but i find that insults need to be grammatically correct in order to preserve their effect.

Trivialising what Nuland said does not lessen what was said. It showed clearly that the US was involved in Ukraine and the sums reportedly invested by the US in destabilising Ukraine over the past 15 years cannot be ignored either. Putin merely acted strategically in Russia's interests.

How would the US like Putin investing in the Mexican opposition and building Russian bases on the US border? Dress it up how you like but the principal aggressor here is the Americans. That does not go to say that the Russians are good. Not by a long shot. But what you're saying is effectively propoganda. And it should be called out.

comongethappy · 01-09-2014 02:05PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Putin merely acted strategically in Russia's interests.

Strange way explaining away the invasion of another nation & seizing its territory?

The Bush/Blair press offices would have loved you in 2003!

Any thought on how many Ukrainians have to "strategically" die before Vlad is sated?

How would the US like Putin investing in the Mexican opposition and building Russian bases on the US border?

They'd love it.... They'd hate it.... Who knows?
What does a fantasy hypothetical matter when scores of people are dying in east Ukraine each day.

The principle aggressor here is the Americans.

Happy opposite day everyone!!

Gatling · 01-09-2014 02:08PM

Rumor now has it if Scotland gains independence from England ,
We'll be invaded to make up the numbers according to sources on the named Ivan and borris

darkpagandeath · 01-09-2014 02:08PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

You're. You're. You're. Sorry but i find that insults need to be grammatically correct in order to preserve their effect.

Trivialising what Nuland said does not lessen what was said. It showed clearly that the US was involved in Ukraine and the sums reportedly invested by the US in destabilising Ukraine over the past 15 years cannot be ignored either. Putin merely acted strategically in Russia's interests.

How would the US like Putin investing in the Mexican opposition and building Russian bases on the US border? Dress it up how you like but the principal aggressor here is the Americans. That does not go to say that the Russians are good. Not by a long shot. But what you're saying is effectively propoganda. And it should be called out.

So It had nothing to do with a president using the country like a piggy bank and funnelling the money away. The crowds of people that felt it was the last straw backing away from a closer tie with the EU are all American plants ? Odd that on the news they were normal men and women from Ukraine.

stevedublin · 01-09-2014 02:13PM

The Ukraine defence minister has called a halt to its attack of Donbass.

Autonomous Cowherd · 01-09-2014 02:13PM

comongethappy wrote: »

They'd love it.... They'd hate it.... Who knows?

It's okay...we have the historical record of how the USA would feel....and it very nearly led to Nuclear War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

comongethappy · 01-09-2014 02:16PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

It's okay...we have the historical record of how the USA would feel....and it very nearly led to Nuclear War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

I'm sure the placing of nukes 50 miles off Miami has an equivalence to Ukraine.

I just can't think what?
Perhaps all the US Minuteman III Silos promised for the Ukrainian countryside?

Gatling · 01-09-2014 02:17PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

It's okay...we have the historical record of how the USA would feel....and it very nearly led to Nuclear War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

actually it came even closer in the 1980's a hell of a lot closer than the Cuban missile crisis ever did

InTheTrees · 01-09-2014 02:31PM

To review.

This whole crisis is the United states' fault because its not a corrupt sh*thole like Russia.

If only The West could be as dismal a sh*thole as russia then people wouldn't want to be like them and this wouldn't have happened.

Bullies logic.

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 02:35PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

To review.

This whole crisis is the United states' fault because its not a corrupt sh*thole like Russia.

If only The West could be as dismal a sh*thole as russia then people wouldn't want to be like them and this wouldn't have happened.

Bullies logic.

That isnt what is being said. But you know that.

I think the incidents in Ferguson last week should tell you that it things in the west are just as sh1thole-ish as what you think it is like in Russia. One of my best friends is teaching English in Moscow right now on a US passport. He came home for the summer and went back last week. He experienced no issues and would tell you that Moscow is far from a sh1thole. You ever leave Ireland?

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 02:37PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Strange way explaining away the invasion of another nation & seizing its territory?

The Bush/Blair press offices would have loved you in 2003!

Any thought on how many Ukrainians have to "strategically" die before Vlad is sated?

They'd love it.... They'd hate it.... Who knows?
What does a fantasy hypothetical matter when scores of people are dying in east Ukraine each day.

Happy opposite day everyone!!

Lol we dont know how the US would take Russia exerting influence on their borders?

And the opposite day joke you are trotting out (not for the first time today) is completely cringe. Grow up.

Gatling · 01-09-2014 02:37PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

That isnt what is being said. But you know that.

You said the opposite several posts back the American's were involved in the coup

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 02:42PM

Gatling wrote: »

You said the opposite several posts back the American's were involved in the coup

Yes i did. But i never said the whole crisis was solely down to the Americans. I said it started with the Americans. I also said the Russians are far from innocent. I was merely trying to halt this sudden review of history that has been reported in the media and is now being spouted by you guys that this seemed to start with the Russians moving in on Crimea. It's propoganda and nothing else.

I know you guys are reading what you want but i'm trying to keep my posts short for you.

InTheTrees · 01-09-2014 02:42PM

The only country in Europe not feeling threatened by Russia is Belarus which is the last remamaining sh*thole dictatorship left. And therefore still an ally of Russia.

InTheTrees · 01-09-2014 02:45PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Yes i did. But i never said the whole crisis was solely down to the Americans.

Its their damn coca cola and levis isn't it?

And that decadent western lifestyle.

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 02:45PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Its their damn coca cola and levis isn't it?

And that decadent western lifestyle.

You're just shouting at no one at this stage.

InTheTrees · 01-09-2014 02:48PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

You're just shouting at no one at this stage.

Until you can explain why it is the wests fault we can only speculate.

comongethappy · 01-09-2014 02:51PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Until you can explain why it is the wests fault we can only speculate.

Still waiting....
I'm sure its going to be great.
The suspense is killing me!

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 02:53PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Until you can explain why it is the wests fault we can only speculate.

Lol funny how evidence is relevant on one thread about Ukraine but not the other

You're incapable of discussing this. I'm off to Gorky Park for a sandwich :rolleyes:

Autonomous Cowherd · 01-09-2014 02:54PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Lol funny how evidence is relevant on one thread about Ukraine but not the other

You're incapable of discussing this. I'm off to Gorky Park for a sandwich :rolleyes:

Hahahaha!!

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 02:55PM

comongethappy wrote: »

Still waiting....
I'm sure its going to be great.
The suspense is killing me!

459 pages in and you want this explained to you. I haven't been Garda vetted nor trained for special needs work so i'll politely decline.

Ukraine: As it happens.

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