New Pay for Recruits

Didnt intend to fall out with or annoy anyone with what I said, just getting at the fact that there is no point in speculating about what's going to happen. I would hate to see pay reduced to £19k despite others being on 23 or whatever it is. People should make their concerns known to HR and I'm sure they would go out of their way to put people's minds at ease.

Speculation doesn't help anyone sleep easier at night, certainly not me anyway!

Everyone will end up in due time on the same wage, those on the 23k wage will have a pay freeze for two years at pay point 3 or 4 as said on the circular, the minute that anyone joins the PSNI there are officers on the top bracket instantly due to their tenure, and you will have the RUC boys on even more, pay scales are all over the show, that's the reality of public servants especially in the 21st century. It doesn't affect me in the same way as it would others, but I appreciate the concern others would have.

The new pension proposals are more a worry, if successful, that will have a more detrimental effect on new recruits than pay which eventually goes up, but with the new proposals of mandatory 35 years and 5% less for each year taken earlier than the 35 years, and the pay more for less pension is kinda mental bare in mind officers pay in excess for a full pension 500 pound a month into their pensions, if this goes through, the days of retiring on a good amount of money and a nice annual pension are none existent.

At the end of the day, everything is changing because of these budget cuts. I suppose all will reveal itself come September when we will know the score for those in the 1309 campaign, but people should be wary of the pension proposals too, as its going to have a bigger impact than the new salaries in the long term anyway.

I know fine rightly marfrig, if you check back you will see me giving out stink about it too ! I'm happy enough to believe HR in what they say - that pay will remain the same. Should be it a case that pay is cut, we can already see the effects of that here.

A reduction would (and will) be detrimental for the PSNI, it simply wont attract the same caliber of people as it has in the past.

Anyway, we're getting away from the point - No point in speculating, if you want to do anything constructive - contact your local MLA to have a parliamentary question put to the justice minister.

Anyway, we're getting away from the point - No point in speculating, if you want to do anything constructive - contact your local MLA to have a parliamentary question put to the justice minister.[/quote]

Here's an idea why don't you do it. Instead of giving off maybe you could channel your frustration or whatever it is into something good.

We are an argumentative bunch today; is it a full moon?

If the pay situation is dividing 'potential' officers here what will it be like in the stations?

My opinion is EVERYTHING is subject to change especially with the continuous budget cuts. As Highburylad said they could start you on £23k and then freeze it for a few years. Or they could start you on £19k and bump you to £23k next year.

I really think statements like 'if you don't like the pay don't take the job' are not very helpful. I don't like the pay in my current job but I took it; I also like to have moan about once in a while. It's what we do

Everyone needs to take the ice water challenge and cool down

(18 days until IST results )

DesertCreat_15 wrote: »

Well maybe I would if I actually lived in Northern Ireland but it just so happens I don't.

PS Not giving out, just merely putting an idea out there.

No bother bud. We'll leave it there. Good luck in the rest of the process anyway.

mahoney1 wrote: »

They can take the women for all I care. 😄

Ah Mahoney shall that be you purposely dropping the soap in Garnerville then?!

All that has been said from inside the training complex is that the next squad will be on £19k, thats the next squad entering from the 2013 campaign. It is widely known amongst all students, staff and other members of the policing family that this is the case. It's just a case of tough titty, I wouldn't be keen on it and wouldn't leave my old job for that money but thats the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately. Everyone will tell you that it is worth it thought as its the best job in the world. Plus with the shortage of officers you are guaranteed at least £30K per annum when you include overtime.

I find it hard to believe that they've lured people into the next intake under false pretenses. Are they really going to let people quit their jobs/hand in their notice/uproot their families etc etc only to turn around and say the salary is lower than anticipated. It would be a minefield.

pcplod wrote: »

im in that exact situation, notice in, relocating next month.......

I'd like to think they would have made it clear IF you were going to be earning significantly less than anticipated at the time of your call. Why risk a high drop out post induction (where I assume this would be discussed) or even worse once training has begun.

Personally I believe the starting salary for all 2013 candidates will be £23k. I have correspondence to this effect and see no reason for a lie from PSNI HR.

Chief Wiggum2 wrote: »

I agree that they have opened the floodgates, it's ridiculous. But unfortunately they have covered themselves by putting the footnote in the campaign saying that it is subject to change. They justify it by saying that you will get on the same level within a few years and will still get to max constable pay after 7 years but i'd be happier getting the higher initial wage to be honest

How is that justifying it?

What's about the thousands that you miss out on during those years to get to the same level???

Where is your information coming from? I believe you've been misled

Ok people so Timmy has been doing his numbers!

I am not at all saying that the following information is correct down to the pound because my calculations have been made on a couple of small adjustments (due to laziness )

Adjustment 1 - My calculation for the first pay scale (during G'ville) is based on 6 months pay and not the correct amount of weeks.

Adjustment 2 - Year 4 under the REVISED 2014 PAYSCALE I have used 6 months pay from each of the 2 yearly wage figures published, on the assumption that this year for the new pay scale contains an extra pay rise - presumably at the 6 month mark.

None of these figures take into account tax and all that jazz ...

ACCUMULATIVE PAY UP TO YEAR 5 (where the two pay scales match up)

£23k starting pay = APPROX £151,744

£19k starting pay = APPROX £127,671.50

That means that those that start on the £19k Payscale will be paid APPROX £24,072.50 LESS THAN the £23k starters over the 5 years.

Now I am not being a sh*t about it, but to me that's a lot of money over 5 years , new car/good lump of the mortgage/dream holiday/dream wedding lots of things to us on the ground, and I should like to think that the PSNI wouldn't drop the pay so dramatically - especially for those of us that have been delayed through this process for no good and viable fault of our own, but due to Deloittes clerical errors. To miss out on that money is a blow, I'd take this job at £17k because it's what I want to do... But to advertise and then change the amount by so much... I believe is extremely unethical and doesn't provide much inspiration for people who are already taking a paycut for the advertised £23k per annum.

I forgot to add;-

Some folk who achieved top end results at both IST and AC could face starting off on a reduced salary compared to someone who got less than them due the length of time some vetting takes....seems a bit unreasonable.

Skip84 wrote: »

JayC90 have you had that confirmed by HR, they are still ignoring every email I have sent to them.

Aye confirmed and finance sent me the pay banding as well