Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

DM_7 · 22-08-2014 06:00PM

adox wrote: »

It's gas. When Carrick got injured a few weeks ago and I thought "well at least that will force Utds hand and they will have to bring some midfielders in".

Since then we have also lost Fellaini and now Herrera and I have no faith that anyone else will be brought in.

The one thing I am clinging to is that it's LVG in charge, not Moyes. I'm still delighted he's at the helm.

Numbers in midfield and at the back are going to cost us big time though aren't they?

Remember the talk of the easy start? 18 points from 18?

Strootman, he is waiting for him. He has to be. No other reason he wouldn't buy a partner for Herrera.

He is mad and probably thinks the players at United with Herrera added will be plenty. I am praying for a cm that will protect the back three or top class player to bring 4-3-3 into play.

Hococop · 22-08-2014 06:00PM

So are juventus playing tonight? I know he won't sign but a man can hope ha

statto25 · 22-08-2014 06:01PM

Trilla wrote: »

how long is he out?

At least two weeks. Ankle injury.

Pro. F · 22-08-2014 06:01PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

1. Fair enough.

2. Thats a lot of trust . The team picked up where they left of last season with poor football but yes it would be too early to freak out but its too early for no.3 especially the quickly as possible part.

Have Kroos, Cesc and CBs in against Swansea would be "turning the team around and heading back towards success as quickly as possible"

Do you believe he passed on them? and have faith they were good calls?

Also you have expressed your own reservations about the 3-5-2 system. My other gripe about that system needing 3 CBs and us only have 3 CBs with first team experience and LVG needing three weeks to assess when its glaringly obvious defenders were needed right away. Not to mention LB cover

If you have trust here thats your call, lets hope its not blind faith. When you match our defens to our rivals it looks like we are very vunerable. Do you turst LVG there also?

It is no way too early to trust that LvG is doing a first class job. He has over 20 years of management experience and a glittering CV on which I can base that trust. You are confusing me saying that he is doing a first class job (which I am not saying, because nobody can know at this stage) with me saying that I am willing to trust that he is.

Asking me whether I believe Van Gaal passed on Kroos and Cesc is a ridiculous question. I have no fúcking clue whether or not he passed on them and neither do you. If he did pass on those two players then yes I am willing to trust that he made the best decision for his project. He has a long history of defying expectations and building successful teams his own way.

Buying Kroos, Fabregas and whatever CBs you want is not the only way of of turning the team around and heading back towards success as quickly as possible while also laying solid foundations for medium and long term success. Maybe it's the way you would do it, I wouldn't be willing to trust you. I'm willing to trust that LvG is doing it in an appropriate way.

I'm sure Van Gaal will make plenty of decisions that I will disagree with. I will criticise those things that I think aren't working and express when I think I see a poor decision being made. But complaining about Van Gaal saying mad shít in public (which he has done all his career) and criticising decisions that we can't even know that he made (Kroos and Cesc), is nonsense that I'm not going to participate in.

Of course it's my call whether I trust Van Gaal.

Blind faith would be a defence like that of Moyes that went right to the death last season. If LvG performs to a similarly poor level then I will be calling for his head too.

I don't think we look very vulnerable when you compare our defensive players to those of our rivals. If I trust that LvG can take us to success as soon as possible then of course I trust that he will be able to manage the defence properly too.

The Big Easy · 22-08-2014 06:02PM

I think the criticism of Woodward separate and removed from the Glazers is ridiculous. As I said previously he is only doing the job exactly how they want him to.

He is their man in the club, their main point of contact, they don't speak to LvG, they speak to Ed and I'd say they are very happy with his performance.

It is not necessary to say the things he said about breaking transfer records if you are going to do them. It is only necessary to make such statements if you've no intention of doing them but want the fan base and commercial world to believe you can.

It is pretty funny that some people think Woodward is running around putting forward his own agenda. He is doing exactly what the Glazers want him to do otherwise he would not be in the position he is.

Blaming Woodward while absolving the Glazers is mind boggling in my opinion.

adox · 22-08-2014 06:02PM

Trilla wrote: »

how long is he out?

Initial reports said 6 weeks but I think it was ESPN who later said 2 weeks.

DM_7 · 22-08-2014 06:04PM

And when I say Van Gaal is mad I mean it in a good way, he sees thing we may never see, I called him a head wrecker before as he will make you wonder what the hell he is at and then make you wonder why you doubted him

Robson99 · 22-08-2014 06:05PM

Pro. F wrote: »

If Moyes was still in charge then he would have a full season of awful football and results behind him. LvG has had one competitive game in charge. I don't know about other posters, but I was certainly more patient with Moyes than you are being with LvG.

You know that LvG has a habit of saying weird shít. If you are going to be getting on his back after everything that he says that you find weird or incorrect then you are going to be doing that every weak and that is certainly not supporting the manager. Foolish choice to make.

Who said I'm jumping on his back after everything he says. I was responding to his comments today. He said the other day we can sign a player in 24 hrs. Today its not that simple. He needed time on tour to assess his squad. Now he needs 3 months. I'm not turning again him. Just his spoof today is not what most utd fans were expecting to hear.
Finally there is no need to be continuously looking down on other peoples opinion just because its not in you bible

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 06:07PM

The Big Easy wrote: »

I think the criticism of Woodward separate and removed from the Glazers is ridiculous. As I said previously he is only doing the job exactly how they want him to.

Blaming Woodward while absolving the Glazers is mind boggling in my opinion.

hmmm i dunno, we have spent £137m in a year on transfers and in the same time spent £180m on wages.

money isnt the a problem, its who is spending it or more to the point, who we are spending it on.

The Big Easy · 22-08-2014 06:10PM

And you think Woodward picked any of those players?

I know you think he picked Mata as a vanity signing but at United the manager has always picked the players?

Edit: meant to quote Homer

Pro. F · 22-08-2014 06:14PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Who said I'm jumping on his back after everything he says. I was responding to his comments today. He said the other day we can sign a player in 24 hrs. Today its not that simple. He needed time on tour to assess his squad. Now he needs 3 months. I'm not turning again him. Just his spoof today is not what most utd fans were expecting to hear.
Finally there is no need to be continuously looking down on other peoples opinion just because its not in you bible

I said you are jumping on his back after everything he says. Well, I actually said "If you are going to...", but now after reading this post, I see that you are turning that way.

Any United fans who weren't expecting spoofing talk out of Van Gaal are idiots. It's not like there wasn't ample evidence of what he is like made available when he took the job.

Headshot · 22-08-2014 06:14PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2731859/Manchester-United-approach-Cruzeiro-transfer-Brazilian-midfielder-Lucas-Silva.html

Ill have to start watching Brazilian football again. Anyone know much about it?

RayCun · 22-08-2014 06:16PM

Robson99 wrote: »

. He needed time on tour to assess his squad. Now he needs 3 months.

He said weeks ago that he would have a slow start at the club, because it would take months for the players to become proficient in his system

J. Marston · 22-08-2014 06:17PM

adox wrote: »

It's gas. When Carrick got injured a few weeks ago and I thought "well at least that will force Utds hand and they will have to bring some midfielders in".

Since then we have also lost Fellaini and now Herrera and I have no faith that anyone else will be brought in.

The one thing I am clinging to is that it's LVG in charge, not Moyes. I'm still delighted he's at the helm.

Numbers in midfield and at the back are going to cost us big time though aren't they?

Remember the talk of the easy start? 18 points from 18?

He's a very good manager, not a miracle worker.

And miracles are what we need if we're getting top four with Jones and Smalling at centre back and Fletcher and Cleverley in midfield.

We're screwed.

Kerrydude1981 · 22-08-2014 06:18PM

Is Varela injured lads?

Lucas Hood · 22-08-2014 06:19PM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Is Varela injured lads?

Isn't he starting for the u21s tonight?

billyhead · 22-08-2014 06:20PM

I can see Sunderland beating us on Sunday to be honest. United lost their fear factor months ago (last season) and teams now have a good go at us when their playing us. If we don't make a proper CM signing next week I fear we will finish outside the top 4

DM_7 · 22-08-2014 06:21PM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Is Varela injured lads?

On his way out soon I imagine (possibly on loan at home), very unsettled in England, he went home for a while last season.

Can't see Van Gaal using him right now.

The Big Easy · 22-08-2014 06:21PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

hmmm i dunno, we have spent £137m in a year on transfers and in the same time spent £180m on wages.

money isnt the a problem, its who is spending it or more to the point, who we are spending it on.

I know you keep saying money isn't the problem but did you read my previous post on the different considerations United put into a deal when it comes to deciding how much we spend.

I'm pretty sure you'd love us to sign Vidal but I really believe the main reason we haven't or won't is the raw cost of the deal. Would you not agree with this?

redbaron_99 · 22-08-2014 06:30PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Isn't he starting for the u21s tonight?

Story doing the rounds earlier that Madrid are taking him. Odd I know

Kerrydude1981 · 22-08-2014 06:33PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Isn't he starting for the u21s tonight?

They must have got him and Vermijl mixed up as Vermijl started the game

ShoulderChip · 22-08-2014 06:43PM

Can someone give a best guess lineup for sunday please

Blatter · 22-08-2014 06:45PM

The Telegraph are releasing an Interview between Gary Neville and van Gaal at 11pm.

Nalz · 22-08-2014 06:46PM

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Can someone give a best guess lineup for sunday please

DDG

Blackett
Smalling
Evans

Young
Valencia

Jones \ Cleverley
Fletcher

Mata

Rooney
RVP

Robson99 · 22-08-2014 06:47PM

Pro. F wrote: »

1. Any United fans who weren't expecting spoofing talk out of Van Gaal are idiots.2. It's not like there wasn't ample evidence of what he is like made available when he took the job.

1. Classy response
2. So when can we expect some serious talk from him???

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 06:47PM

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Can someone give a best guess lineup for sunday please

the team he will probably pick -

DDG

---Jones----Smalling

Evans

Ravael

Young

Cleverly

Fletcher

Mata

Rooney

RVP

Manutd_4life · 22-08-2014 06:47PM

Blatter wrote: »

The Telegraph are releasing an Interview between Gary Neville and van Gaal at 11pm.

Oh S**t. Its about to go down

Kirby · 22-08-2014 06:50PM

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Can someone give a best guess lineup for sunday please

DDG

Not Vidic----Not Rio

Not Rafael

Not Shaw

Not Herrera

Not Carrick

Not Vidal

Not Nani

Not Di Maria

Not RVP

redbaron_99 · 22-08-2014 06:53PM

Kirby wrote: »

DDG
Not Vidic----Not Rio
Not Rafael
Not Shaw
Not Herrera
Not Carrick
Not Vidal
Not Nani
Not Di Maria
Not RVP

Shut up.

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 06:58PM

For anyone saying Woodward hasn't failed to sign any targets based on there being no talk of failed moves, can you let me know when vermaelen, hummels, muller and Vidal are due to make their debuts?

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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