Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

Lord TSC · 22-08-2014 05:26PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Do you honestly think that we have nid for lots of players and it has not leaked? who exactly to you think we bid for and not gotten?

It was a fair few weeks before we got word that we had bid (and been rejected) for Reus. There was talks of Muller briefly, but its only recent comments that let us know a contract was supposedly offered of some sort. If Rojo hadn't used his instrgram to start following people, it's likely that our pursuit of him would have taken far longer to come to light (the contract saga wouldn't have been as big a story, and no mention of United was made offically till the day or two before he signed).

I think it's perfectly logical to presume that inquiry letters, at the least, were sent out, asking if players were available, and when a firm No was sent back, we moved on. It won't always get to bids or whatever, since it's at the stage now where an official bid is the near-final step of the process, but I'd be 100% confident in saying we made approaches for players this summer and they weren't leaked to the press.

IrishIrish · 22-08-2014 05:27PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

theres a big difference between "overpaying" for 2 of the best players in the world as opposed to overpaying for Fellaini and Shaw.

No there's a big difference between overpaying on players you want and players you don't want.

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 05:28PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Mine is slowly sliding away.. I've had visions of us turning into Liverpool of the 90's all day!

In a way I'm almost glad I'll be in Croker for 4pm Sunday.

It's the way we are going. This season couldn't have started much worse, and without a top cb and CM added we won't get near 4th spot. We miss out on the CL again and it will take a long time to recover. It will be tougher to sign the quality players than it is now and we've made a fecking ordeal of it this summer as it is. This is a make or break season fir united, and I see no reason to think we are going to make it.

A pathetic summer will result in another pathetic season. I can't believe lessons have not been learned.

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 05:30PM

IrishIrish wrote: »

No there's a big difference between overpaying on players you want and players you don't want.

Overpaying on a notional value a club refuse to sell for is different to overpaying for a player with a cast iron value to be sold for because you arsed around failing all summer and were reduced to a panic buy.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-08-2014 05:31PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

It's the way we are going. This season couldn't have started much worse, and without a top cb and CM added we won't get near 4th spot. We miss out on the CL again and it will take a long time to recover. It will be tougher to sign the quality players than it is now and we've made a fecking ordeal of it this summer as it is. This is a make or break season fir united, and I see no reason to think we are going to make it.

A pathetic summer will result in another pathetic season. I can't believe lessons have not been learned.

Thats why I was so confident all summer

I thought to myself 'we wont make same mistakes this summer'

But hey here we are and its actually worse

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 05:31PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

It was a fair few weeks before we got word that we had bid (and been rejected) for Reus. There was talks of Muller briefly, but its only recent comments that let us know a contract was supposedly offered of some sort. If Rojo hadn't used his instrgram to start following people, it's likely that our pursuit of him would have taken far longer to come to light (the contract saga wouldn't have been as big a story, and no mention of United was made offically till the day or two before he signed).

I think it's perfectly logical to presume that inquiry letters, at the least, were sent out, asking if players were available, and when a firm No was sent back, we moved on. It won't always get to bids or whatever, since it's at the stage now where an official bid is the near-final step of the process, but I'd be 100% confident in saying we made approaches for players this summer and they weren't leaked to the press.

Letters?

Lord TSC · 22-08-2014 05:32PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Letters?

I knew someone would get hung up on the word used and not the sentiment... :P

Letters, faxes, phonecalls, trips to the relevant houses at 2AM hiding in the bushes, smoke signals, whatever...

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 05:33PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Thats why I was so confident all summer

I thought to myself 'we wont make same mistakes this summer'

But hey here we are and its actually worse

Don't say that, sure isn't it just mean and homer overreacting... Plenty of time left. Last summer, last January and the rest of this summer gives no reason to think Woodward doesn't have everything under control.

Zico · 22-08-2014 05:33PM

IrishIrish wrote: »

Do people think if we had the best CEO in the world (dunno how you would even judge) that Kroos and Cesc would be playing at united this season?

If the Chief Executive of the club was doing his job well most people wouldn't know what his name was.

dubmick · 22-08-2014 05:34PM

Did LVG actually say Wellbeck can leave? 23 years of age, will improve needs work on his finishing. United through and through.

I have a pain in my b0llocks with this club.

Your Airbag · 22-08-2014 05:35PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

It was a fair few weeks before we got word that we had bid (and been rejected) for Reus. There was talks of Muller briefly, but its only recent comments that let us know a contract was supposedly offered of some sort. If Rojo hadn't used his instrgram to start following people, it's likely that our pursuit of him would have taken far longer to come to light (the contract saga wouldn't have been as big a story, and no mention of United was made offically till the day or two before he signed).

I think it's perfectly logical to presume that inquiry letters, at the least, were sent out, asking if players were available, and when a firm No was sent back, we moved on. It won't always get to bids or whatever, since it's at the stage now where an official bid is the near-final step of the process, but I'd be 100% confident in saying we made approaches for players this summer and they weren't leaked to the press.

Didn't UTD deny they were in for Reus and Muller?

Enquiry letters? I doubt that happens. Maybe an enquiry call ended with a "hes not for sale" but bids can still be made. Agents contacted directly

edit: saw your letters comment above

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 05:37PM

Zico wrote: »

If the Chief Executive of the club was doing his job well most people wouldn't know what his name was.

Good chance vermaelen and Vidal would be, IMO.

DM_7 · 22-08-2014 05:37PM

United probably never spoke to Bayern about Kroos. They would have people talking to his people. I find it impossible to think Van Gaal said do not buy Kroos. Pay 1.5 times that for Herrera. The thing that changes would be contact from Madrid people to Kroos that killed of any United deal. Going there with promise of first choice and wads of cash was a no brainer.

Not wanting Cesc I could see but I reckon when it went to the crunch a London club in Champions League with a chance of winning it would have won out there as well.

United position this season is a major issue for getting players in where serious competition exists from a major club. If Di Maria happened, it will be for the same reasons Mata happened, United could pay, player gets well rewarded and they consider playing for United acceptable or a big deal. But it won't be their ideal destination.

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 05:40PM

i wonder what happened this week that changed Van Gaals stance from.

"it takes 24 hours to complete a transfer"

to

“It’s not so easy to buy and sell in the football market,”

DM_7 · 22-08-2014 05:42PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i wonder what happened this week that changed Van Gaals stance from.

"it takes 24 hours to complete a transfer"

to

“It’s not so easy to buy and sell in the football market,”

Reading between the lines. First one was talking about a player like Blind (example) second one is talking about the type of player he knows people are baying for (Hummels, Kroos etc).

Kerrydude1981 · 22-08-2014 05:42PM

U21's playing the Pool tonight on BT Sport 2 programme starting at 6.45.

Might take the mind off the transfer business for a few hours.

TheTownie · 22-08-2014 05:43PM

Utd U21 XI: J. Pereira; McNair, Thorpe, Varela; Janko, Pearson, Rothwell, Evans; Harrop, A. Pereira; Lawrence

Subs: Weir, O’Hara, Grimshaw, Goss, Willock

Liverpool U21 XI: Ward; McLaughlin, Williams, Jones, Stewart; Rossiter, Lussey; Wilson, Brannagan, Ojo; Peterson

Subs: McGuire, Vigouroux, Canos, Pelosi, Yesil

IrishIrish · 22-08-2014 05:43PM

Zico wrote: »

If the Chief Executive of the club was doing his job well most people wouldn't know what his name was.

Like Peter Kenyon and David Gill?

I'd say I could name 75% of CEOs in the premier league without having an interest in any of them.

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 05:45PM

TheTownie wrote: »

Utd U21 XI: J. Pereira; McNair, Thorpe, Varela; Janko, Pearson, Rothwell, Evans; Harrop, A. Pereira; Lawrence

Subs: Weir, O’Hara, Grimshaw, Goss, Willock

assume that means Wilson is in the squad for sunday then.

does anybody fully expect us to win Sunday?

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 05:46PM

Wilson not in the squad tonight having trained all week with the first team. Interesting.

22-08-2014 05:46PM

Painful news on Herrera ffs

TheTownie · 22-08-2014 05:48PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

assume that means Wilson is in the squad for sunday then.

does anybody fully expect us to win Sunday?

Hes in with a shout anyway. Not sure is he back to full fitness. Himself, Will & Mike Keane, Nick Powell were training with the 1st team this week.

Its hard to be confident of any result at the moment. Especially with the injuries in CM.

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 05:48PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Wilson not in the squad tonight having trained all week with the first team. Interesting.

id be delighted to see him in the first 11. we need something new, something fresh.

ElChe32 · 22-08-2014 05:48PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Painful news on Herrera ffs

???

*Edit* Ahhh balls just reading now -_-

TheTownie · 22-08-2014 05:50PM

All credit tooo Roy

https://vine.co/v/MLgUDVAmEtt

adox · 22-08-2014 05:52PM

IrishIrish wrote: »

I'd say I could name 75% of CEOs in the premier league without having an interest in any of them.

That's just weird.

adox · 22-08-2014 05:56PM

It's gas. When Carrick got injured a few weeks ago and I thought "well at least that will force Utds hand and they will have to bring some midfielders in".

Since then we have also lost Fellaini and now Herrera and I have no faith that anyone else will be brought in.

The one thing I am clinging to is that it's LVG in charge, not Moyes. I'm still delighted he's at the helm.

Numbers in midfield and at the back are going to cost us big time though aren't they?

Remember the talk of the easy start? 18 points from 18?

Headshot · 22-08-2014 05:57PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

What evidence from this window have you got to support your belief? For me its down to LVG not Woodward.

If we bid on a player and failed you would have heard about it in the press like last summer.

Woodward will only bid on players LVG instructed him to. Do you think he is going to pop his head into LVGs office and say "hey Louis, you'll never guess who I just signed, I didnt bother to check with you first because i like this player so much"

Players Woodward bid for last summer are or were easier to get this summer, yet no bid. Because LVG hasnt shown interest.

I beleive Woodward would love to spend a load of cash just like he said on top players and be a fan hero but he cant make a move without LVGs nod and right now it looks like LVG is letting very good players slip away.

Iv said in the past that I wouldnt lay all the blame at Woodward but its his job to get the players LVG wants. LVG is one of the best managers around and I just cant see him being one bit happy with this team. I believe LVG is craving for the likes of Di Maria but either Woodward isnt matching LVG's wishes or the board is stopping this spending.

Woodward to me is not a closer, looking from outside it seems he takes an age to close the transfers. I cant prove who is right or wrong but I look at their C.V. LVG a football man and Woodward a specialist in selling the brand. Who would you trust?

That debacle with Felliani last season didnt help Woodward tbh

Nalz · 22-08-2014 05:58PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Painful news on Herrera ffs

how long is he out?

Christy Browne · 22-08-2014 06:00PM

Saw this on Red Cafe, to the tune of Angels by Robbie Williams :pac::pac::pac:

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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