Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's a legitimate question. You think he has delivered?

There's no thinking about it. Look at the financial statements, there's undeniable proof he HAS delivered and so far is continuing to do so. As far as transfers are concerned, he has been in charge around 12 months now and bought Feilani, Mata, Rojo, Shaw and Herrera. Find me more than possibly 1 or 2 other CEO's in world football that have done that in their first year. People complain about Feilani but its not like he scouted the player and choose to purchase him, the manager wanted him and the CEO got him.

There hasn't even been a single rumour (as far as i'm aware) that LVG has wanted a certain player and Woodward hasn't got him. I'm actually surprised the media haven't even made up any rumours. Maybe I have just missed them. The Kroos and Cesc stories were said to be LVG pulling out of the deal. Nothing to do with Woodward.

IrishIrish wrote: »

There's no thinking about it. Look at the financial statements, there's undeniable proof he HAS delivered and so far is continuing to do so. As far as transfers are concerned, he has been in charge around 12 months now and bought Feilani, Mata, Rojo, Shaw and Herrera. Find me more than possibly 1 or 2 other CEO's in world football that have done that in their first year. People complain about Feilani but its not like he scouted the player and choose to purchase him, the manager wanted him and the CEO got him.

Indeed. And managed to pay 5 million more than his release clause. Quality.

I don't for one second believe the nonsense that LVG didn't target anyone til well after we got back from America because he was assessing the squad. He isn't a moron. Woodward himself said we were working on targets weeks BEFORE the tour, targets that he'd been discussing for weeks with LVG. if there was assessment going on it was to see who would be of no use at all to him, not to see who needed to be bought. A CM and a couple of defenders were obvious requirements and thinking it took LVG 4 weeks to cop on to that does him a disservice IMO.

We haven't bought his targets, IMO, it isn't that he didn't target anyone.

People love thinking everything he says is 100% the truth, he will lie to protect the side and hide what he is doing! until such time as it no longer benefits him to do so. Like every other manager on the planet.

rarnes1 wrote: »

As the poster before you mentioned he has delivered on the commercial deals. That's only a part of his job though.

Utd were a shambles last summer in the market and reverted to a panic buy of a player that wasn't needed. Mata wasn't exactly needed either.

I still wonder how people call Feilaini a panic buy when everyone knew all summer long that united were trying to buy Baines and him. If Vidal signs on deadline day for united does he become a panic buy? I would put the 'shambles' down to the manager last season, and the same thing this summer but I don't blame them for that either. I think it is blindingly obvious that a manager would come in and assess the squad (exactly like both managers said). Reading this thread amazes me with the lack of common sense people have or else people have no idea how business or managers (in any industry) operate.

rarnes1 wrote: »

Utd need a top class CM and another CB. With the financial muscle the club has why is this such a problem?

Should Woodward just take it upon himself to go out and buy the club a CM and a CB?

rarnes1 wrote: »

Who said it? The same media you mention

Don't know what you mean by this. I didn't say I believe the Kroos and Cesc stories but there is nothing at all that gives any indication Woodward is to blame for these players not being at United.

Do people think if we had the best CEO in the world (dunno how you would even judge) that Kroos and Cesc would be playing at united this season?

IrishIrish wrote: »

If you're wondering why Woodward still has a job then I suspect it's you who hasn't got a clue.

Headshot wrote: »

Im convinced that LVG isnt to blame for the debacle that this transfer window is. I suppose the blame lay squarely on Woodwards feet. It doesnt help that he's big speech about spending power.

What evidence from this window have you got to support your belief? For me its down to LVG not Woodward.

If we bid on a player and failed you would have heard about it in the press like last summer.

Woodward will only bid on players LVG instructed him to. Do you think he is going to pop his head into LVGs office and say "hey Louis, you'll never guess who I just signed, I didnt bother to check with you first because i like this player so much"

Players Woodward bid for last summer are or were easier to get this summer, yet no bid. Because LVG hasnt shown interest.

I beleive Woodward would love to spend a load of cash just like he said on top players and be a fan hero but he cant make a move without LVGs nod and right now it looks like LVG is letting very good players slip away.

One thing has pissed me off about LVG's press conference - and believe me I'm still in the cautiously optimistic side of things - is he says today :

"its not so easy to buy and sell in the transfer market"

Whilst last week or before that he maintained buying players is no problem, "we can buy a player in 24 hours, no problem".

Which is it? Or is it a shot at Woodward to say pull the finger out?

Your Airbag wrote: »

Good because I don't think anyone can deny he is acting strangely. Its almost a defiant, I will do it my way and not bow to pressure and sign who you expect, obviously this is me worrying and unlikely but my problem was you saying ppl should shut the f*ck up crticising him, No they shouldn't.

My statement was aimed at the people who are starting down the road of freaking out and criticising pretty much every decision he makes and thing he says. I think if those people really want to give him a chance of succeeding then they need to shut the fúck up with the criticisms.

Your Airbag wrote: »

You say we should show some faith for top four. Ok but I think with the players that were available, players Moyes wanted, that we could have a sqaud fighting for the no.1 spot. Would you agree?

Also remember this, Cesc and Kross are not going to be available to get for many years now if ever. Yes there are other players but we should be aiming for the top players and thats two of the best gone possibly forever.

LVG hasn't shown interest in Vidal as yet and if those stories of him not wanting Di Maria because of Januzaj are true then thats another two strange decisions.

He is making life hard for himself and us. Lets hope he knows exactly what he is doing because after Swansea I though he would have sprung into action.

I have no idea what players Moyes wanted and I don't care.

I have no idea what players LvG did not want and I'm willing to trust that he has made the right decisions.

I have no idea whether LvG has shown any interest in Vidal privately, either within his own head, within the club or between the two clubs. I'm willing to trust that he has made the right decisions and I don't care about any lack of publicly visible interest.

I am willing to trust that LvG is doing a first class job of turning the team around and heading back towards success as quickly as possible while also laying solid foundations for medium and long term success.

Saw a comment elsewhere that on the one hand is stating the obvious, but on the other puts things into startling perspective: we go into tomorrow's game with last season's squad minus Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, and Nani.

Whats with all the negativity. We still have 10 days to go in the window. How do we know that a deal for ADM is not in place, even though a CM should be our priority.

Pro. F wrote: »

1. My statement was aimed at the people who are starting down the road of freaking out and criticising pretty much every decision he makes and thing he says. I think if those people really want to give him a chance of succeeding then they need to shut the fúck up with the criticisms.



2. I have no idea what players Moyes wanted and I don't care.

I have no idea what players LvG did not want and I'm willing to trust that he has made the right decisions.

I have no idea whether LvG has shown any interest in Vidal privately, either within his own head, within the club or between the two clubs. I'm willing to trust that he has made the right decisions and I don't care about any lack of publicly visible interest.

I am willing to trust that no.3 LvG is doing a first class job of turning the team around and heading back towards success as quickly as possible while also laying solid foundations for medium and long term success.

1. Fair enough.

2. Thats a lot of trust . The team picked up where they left of last season with poor football but yes it would be too early to freak out but its too early for no.3 especially the quickly as possible part.

Have Kroos, Cesc and CBs in against Swansea would be "turning the team around and heading back towards success as quickly as possible"

Do you believe he passed on them? and have faith they were good calls?

Also you have expressed your own reservations about the 3-5-2 system. My other gripe about that system needing 3 CBs and us only have 3 CBs with first team experience and LVG needing three weeks to assess when its glaringly obvious defenders were needed right away. Not to mention LB cover

If you have trust here thats your call, lets hope its not blind faith. When you match our defens to our rivals it looks like we are very vunerable. Do you turst LVG there also?

IrishIrish wrote: »

People are criticizing Woodward for not being able to get players, no one is going to complain if Woodward spends 50m on Vidal instead of 40m, or 60m on Di Maria instead of 50m

theres a big difference between "overpaying" for 2 of the best players in the world as opposed to overpaying for Fellaini and Shaw.

Not sure if posted, but a scary read about the similarity in our slide and the demise of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (who have lost a shocking 32 of their last 48 games).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2731537/Manchester-United-Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers-run-parallel-lines-Glazer-family-risking-slide-mediocrity.html

It would seem to me that the delays in doing deals is down to protracted negotiations on price and the terms of the deal, both in terms of the selling side but especially in United's case the buying side.

Woodward is negotiating exactly how the Glazers want him to, the same way he negotiates on the commercial side ie. squeeze every penny. To think this is not in line with the Glazers' wishes is naive.

Clubs like Chelsea, Man City, Madrid and Barcelona get deals done quickly because their primary concern is to get the player they want not the best possible deal. Of course even these clubs can drag their heels when dealing with a selling club that doesn't want to sell like Spurs and Bale.

Take the Suarez deal for example there is no way United would have just stumped up 65 or 75 million in cash for a player suspended for 4 months but Barca just wanted the player and got him.

I have no proof for this (I know a lot in here are obsessed with concrete evidence) but I believe United could sign Vidal this summer if they just simply meet Juve's asking price the same way they could have bought Farbregas last summer if they met Barca's.

It's a simple fact that the financial considerations of a deal in terms of wages, resale value and payment structure are far more important to United than the other top clubs for the fundamental reason United is run as a business with profit maximisation the main goal.

Profit maximisation at a football club, in the long run at least, is dependant on on the field success. I say the long run as I'm not convinced the Glazers care about our long run success, since they will probably have cashed in on their asset before the underinvestment on the playing staff will have an effect on the revenue generation of the club.