Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

KH25 · 22-08-2014 11:45AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

looking at the debate here on squad value and all that, how ironic is it to see that our current squad is worth much less than what we pay for it and more to the point, the astounding £181million a year our club pays on wages (including all staff not just players).

and to think Fergie had this obsession with value, when weve got multiple over rated players stealing a living off the club.

Ashley Young rendered Fergies argument about no value in the market entirely irrelevant.

22-08-2014 11:46AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Think Welbeck is very underrated by many. It's not just the work rate and physical presence he gives us, but our build up play looks infinitely better when he's in the side because he's an outlet for attack.

I'd be fairly annoyed if he's sold on.

He's a centre forward with the above attributes you have stated which are a + but his finishing ability has always being questionable.

Pro. F · 22-08-2014 11:46AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Hmmm, and why exactly is it a 'tortured indication of nothing in particular'?

It's clear as day what the current level of quality we have in our squad is, when the valuation of most of our players is going down and not up.

Any change in the market value of a player is not a direct indicator of a change in their quality. If a great player is given a new contract with huge wages then his market value will go down even if he is still preforming the same. This is because buying clubs know they will have to pay more wages. Players' market value tends to go down as they get into their late twenties and early thirties, even when they are performing well. That reflects resale value, not what they are contributing on the pitch.

If you were discussing our squad's resale value then deciphering changes in market value of the players would be useful. Using changes in market value to judge the quality we put on the pitch is an extremely poor guide.

bullvine · 22-08-2014 11:46AM

No player in all my years as a United supporter has divided fans like Danny Welbeck, personally I would gladly see the back of him for a ridiculous fee.

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 11:47AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Think Welbeck is very underrated by many. It's not just the work rate and physical presence he gives us, but our build up play looks infinitely better when he's in the side because he's an outlet for attack.

I'd be fairly annoyed if he's sold on.

would welbeck get into the City, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal teams? i dont think he would, as he is not good enough.

decent squad player though and i wouldnt want him sold right now, considering the high volume of players leaving or more to the point, our complete lack of ability in replacing players.

fitzer1982 · 22-08-2014 11:48AM

Of all our players going I'd rather see him go on loan and play week in and week out then make a decision on selling him.

TheTownie · 22-08-2014 11:48AM

If a bid of £20M+ comes in for Welbeck. Take it. If not, keep him.

kryogen · 22-08-2014 11:49AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

A good question I was asked today.

Name 2 players in the current utd squad who have increased in value over the last five years excluding Ronaldo

Welbeck
Cleverley
Evans
Januzaj
DDG
Wilson
Blackett
Rafael

Nalz · 22-08-2014 11:51AM

Coat22 wrote: »

Steve Bruce will spend his Long cash on him

he's going after Rhodes with that cash

Donnielighto · 22-08-2014 11:51AM

Players are not stealing a living if they are trying. They aren't even stealing a living if injured. The club agreed to wages and if they aren't working out I'd blame the scouting network and negotiators. Bogarde would be the only player I'd attribute that to and players who don't look after themselves physically after signing. It's a stupid and lazy insult most of the time, the kinda thing that is unfortunately getting more common there days on here.

kryogen · 22-08-2014 11:52AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

De Gea is a goalkeeper so the only outfield player who has realistically increased in value in my opinion in the last five years is Adnan Januzaj.

So in conclusion compare that to the top six teams in the Premier League...

Just saw this

How has Rafael, Evans, Hernandez etc not increased in value in the last five years....in your opinion?

Dublin Red Devil · 22-08-2014 11:52AM

I don't get why people still take rumors of Real Madrid players moving to United seriously. The don't sell to us. They never have and they never will. Its an unwritten rule at Madrid not to sell even unwanted leftovers to Manunited

kryogen · 22-08-2014 11:53AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

De Gea is a goalkeeper so the only outfield player who has realistically increased in value in my opinion in the last five years is Adnan Januzaj.

So in conclusion compare that to the top six teams in the Premier League...

Just saw this

How has Rafael, Welbeck, Evans, Hernandez etc not increased in value in the last five years....in your opinion?

Nalz · 22-08-2014 11:53AM

kryogen wrote: »

Welbeck
Cleverley
Evans
Januzaj
DDG
Wilson
Blackett
Rafael

Chico
Rooney

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 11:53AM

Natalie Sawyer and Hayley Mcqueen just about to do the ice bucket over each other live now on SSN.

id pay the entire pot to pour it over Natalie.

*edit its recorded...doesnt take away from it though

Donnielighto · 22-08-2014 11:54AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

would welbeck get into the City, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal teams? i dont think he would, as he is not good enough.

decent squad player though and i wouldnt want him sold right now, considering the high volume of players leaving or more to the point, our complete lack of ability in replacing players.

I think you could do wonders with him.

Btw it's injury prone not injury proned, don't think proned is a word.

UnitedIrishman · 22-08-2014 11:55AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

would welbeck get into the City, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal teams? i dont think he would, as he is not good enough.

decent squad player though and i wouldnt want him sold right now, considering the high volume of players leaving or more to the point, our complete lack of ability in replacing players.

Well a comparable player would be someone like Oxlade-Chamberlain or Theo Walcott. May not start all the time but well able to be a rotational player (in Theo's case mostly due to injury).

Think it's daft too to get rid of a homegrown lad that would probably be a happy member of the squad for low fee.

Adamocovic · 22-08-2014 11:57AM

I for one would be very upset to see Welbeck go. Obviously he is behind Rooney and RVP in terms of quality but he still is a good player in my view. Only 23 still and has raked up the caps for us. Has a lot of experience for a young guy.

If we let Welbeck go now I can't imagine us bringing in a replacement as good before the window closes. I would much rather we held on to him.

bullvine · 22-08-2014 11:58AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Well a comparable player would be someone like Oxlade-Chamberlain or Theo Walcott. May not start all the time but well able to be a rotational player (in Theo's case mostly due to injury).

Think it's daft too to get rid of a homegrown lad that would probably be a happy member of the squad for low fee.

Theo Walcott is far far better player than Welbeck will ever be.

adox · 22-08-2014 12:01PM

I think enough players have left this window already(not neccisarily the ones I wanted). The last few days should be spent concentrating on adding to the squad(not that I'm holding my breath).

I don't expect any more exits this window. Unfortunately I'm not expecting any more additions either.

Lord TSC · 22-08-2014 12:03PM

If LVG plans on using 4-3-3 with a lone striker, then I'd rather Welbeck gone and a dedicated winger brought in.

If we're going to be using two strikers up front, then I'd rather Hernandez leave and keep Welbeck as our 3rd striker option.

22-08-2014 12:05PM

Can't wait to see the thread later when LVG says in his press conference that United are finished in the transfer market for this summer :P

SherlockWatson · 22-08-2014 12:05PM

bullvine wrote: »

No player in all my years as a United supporter has divided fans like Danny Welbeck, personally I would gladly see the back of him for a ridiculous fee.

Ah now, Michael Carrick went underrated by idiots for years and was oft abused by United fans.

Same with Cleverley, Fletcher, Evans and Nani.

United fans are a fickle bunch!

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 12:06PM

I just can't see the sense in LVG wanting to sell Welbeck.

Welbeck suits ANY formation LVG wants to play far better than Chico - and surely he doesn't want to sell both. I would have thought Welbecks pace, attitude and versatility would be highly regarded by LVG.

An odd one, imo.

Adamocovic · 22-08-2014 12:07PM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Ah now, Michael Carrick went underrated by idiots for years and was oft abused by United fans.

Same with Cleverley, Fletcher, Evans and Nani.

United fans are a fickle bunch!

That's just asking for trouble :pac:

Ha to be honest with every sporting team in the world you are going to have divided opinions about players performances. I wouldn't just single out United fans, you could easily replace those names for players from different teams.

Vic Vinegar · 22-08-2014 12:08PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I just can't see the sense in LVG wanting to sell Welbeck.

Welbeck suits ANY formation LVG wants to play far better than Chico - and surely he doesn't want to sell both. I would have thought Welbecks pace, attitude and versatility would be highly regarded by LVG.

An odd one, imo.

Didn't Welbeck hand in a transfer request last season? maybe he still wants to leave.

Mitch Connor · 22-08-2014 12:10PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Didn't Welbeck hand in a transfer request last season? maybe he still wants to leave.

wasn't happy playing wide in a 442 under Moyes - I would assume things are different giving Moyes is no longer here and I would dubt LVG wants him to play 442.

Same time though, Welbeck is only slightly more likely to be first choice now than under Moyes, so maybe he does want to leave for first team football.

Mantis Toboggan · 22-08-2014 12:10PM

I'd be very disappointed if wellbeck is sold and Anderson, cleverly and Fellani get to stay.

Kagawa · 22-08-2014 12:11PM

With all this stuff going around about players being told they can leave and no replacements coming in, I'm starting to wonder do utd realise that the window closes in less than 2 weeks! It makes no sense to be telling all theses players they can leave with so little time remaining.

RobertKK · 22-08-2014 12:11PM

Dublin Red Devil wrote: »

I don't get why people still take rumors of Real Madrid players moving to United seriously. The don't sell to us. They never have and they never will. Its an unwritten rule at Madrid not to sell even unwanted leftovers to Manunited

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/how-real-madrid-helped-to-rebuild-manchester-united-after-munich-air-disaster-8492422.html

I think we should remember the history between United and Real Madrid.

They are my Spanish team of choice, they were there when United was in the darkest part of their history.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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