Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

bucketybuck · 22-08-2014 11:15AM

KH25 wrote: »

I agree there. Can't score a goal to save his life. Chicho is a goal machine. Problem is his build up play. Welbeck is better in that respect.

We need to be realistic about Hernandez, he isn't going to force a regular spot in the team and so he should be sold while he is still a saleable asset. We have more than enough striking options without him, and as it stands he is sitting on the bench running down his contract.

If United had made it clear he was available this summer you cannot tell me there would not have been clubs interested. Its been mentioned a few times that United don't get value when moving players on and Chico is another example of this, at one point we could have gotten £20m+ for what was a 3rd choice striker, the call should have been made then. Instead his value just falls year on year.

UnitedIrishman · 22-08-2014 11:16AM

Benatia left out of Roma squad for tomorrows game and some places were reporting that Bayern had pulled out of the deal so we would probably have a clear run at him if we want him.

MagicIRL · 22-08-2014 11:17AM

He was linked to United, and then Bayern got some injury and then he was suddenly linked with them? Have I got it right?

DM_7 · 22-08-2014 11:18AM

Hernandez

2010/11
Starts 27, sub in 18, goals 20

2011/12
Starts 22, sub in 14, goals 12

2012/13
Starts 22, sub in 14, goals 18

2013/14
Starts 12, sub in 23, goals 9.

He has a very good goal record. No surprise he has not developed his game that much without consistently playing. Another player who needs a move to play as a first choice.

Welbeck and Wilson could potentially replace those goals.

merlinsmerryman · 22-08-2014 11:19AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

He was linked to United, and then Bayern got some injury and then he was suddenly linked with them? Have I got it right?

Yup Martinez did his knee in AFAIK.

TheTownie · 22-08-2014 11:21AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Benatia left out of Roma squad for tomorrows game and some places were reporting that Bayern had pulled out of the deal so we would probably have a clear run at him if we want him.

The 'Bayern have pulled out' stories are from a couple days ago AFAIK. Sky Italy reported yesterday that Bayern had increased their offer to €30M which is close to what Roma want so Bayern may or may not be still in for him.

Whether Utd want him is another question...

KH25 · 22-08-2014 11:22AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

We need to be realistic about Hernandez, he isn't going to force a regular spot in the team and so he should be sold while he is still a saleable asset. We have more than enough striking options without him, and as it stands he is sitting on the bench running down his contract.

If United had made it clear he was available this summer you cannot tell me there would not have been clubs interested. Its been mentioned a few times that United don't get value when moving players on and Chico is another example of this, at one point we could have gotten £20m+ for what was a 3rd choice striker, the call should have been made then. Instead his value just falls year on year.

I am being realistic. For himself he should go. It doesn't mean I'd be happy about it

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 11:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Telegraph saying that Welbeck has been told he can leave.

as much as i am not really a fan of his, again that makes no sense - we wont have any players left if thats the case. it cant be good for squad moral either. likewise, when our inevitable injury crisis sets in, id rather Welbeck up top as opposed to having to rely on Will keane for example.

for example, Nani cant have been a good influence around the dressing room last sunday if he knew he'd be leaving 3 days later. same for Fellaini (prior to injury) and Ando, with Hernandez not exactly secure either.

i wish all this s*it was sorted during the summer. eitherway, i doutb this is true unless Wilson is going to be #3 striker.

Pro. F · 22-08-2014 11:22AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

OK let's say it's debateable about Rooney, so apologies my post above came in late.

My main point being when compared to the top 6 in relation to resale it's not good news at all. And this is an clear indication of the obvious regression in the squad.

It's a tortured indication of nothing in particular. If you want to fret about the quality of the squad there are much clearer ways of doing it.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-08-2014 11:23AM

I have my CV and Cover Note at ready for Ed`s job if he does not deliver.

Dont make me do it Ed old buddy.

SherlockWatson · 22-08-2014 11:26AM

If welbeck goes to a decent team where he's played week in week out, he will prove his doubters wrong I believe, similar to what Sturridge has done(A lot of pool fans didn't even want him when he signed).

Coat22 · 22-08-2014 11:28AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11050696/Danny-Welbeck-told-he-can-leave-Manchester-United-which-could-spark-interest-from-Arsenal-and-Tottenham.html

If this is true then maybe something is in the pipe for a winger of another attackign threat.

Not a Wellbeck fan. Rather Chico but £15M for a 23 year old England striker seems like a bit of a give away.

Zico · 22-08-2014 11:29AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I have my CV and Cover Note at ready for Ed`s job if he does not deliver.

Dont make me do it Ed old buddy.

You have my vote, but the daggers will be out if you don't have Mats Hummells by the end of January.:)

Backstreet Moyes · 22-08-2014 11:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Telegraph saying that Welbeck has been told he can leave.

LVG must be trying to get rid of any player that has pace.

Hank Scorpio · 22-08-2014 11:30AM

Bit of a weird one, I'd say its bs. Wouldn't mind seeing him go if a replacement was lined up though

22-08-2014 11:32AM

Pro. F wrote: »

It's a tortured indication of nothing in particular. If you want to fret about the quality of the squad there are much clearer ways of doing it.

Hmmm, and why exactly is it a 'tortured indication of nothing in particular'?

It's clear as day what the current level of quality we have in our squad is, when the valuation of most of our players is going down and not up.

22-08-2014 11:32AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

LVG must be trying to get rid of any player that has pace.

Not like it's been a major problem or anything recently...

Coat22 · 22-08-2014 11:35AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

LVG must be trying to get rid of any player that has pace.

Stpehen Hunt and my 6 year old have pace but they'd be f*ck all use at Man Utd.

Nani, Wellbeck both underperformers. Move them on.

KH25 · 22-08-2014 11:36AM

I reckon the Welbeck thing is bs. Don't see why we would sell him especially when we have other players that deserve to be at the club less than him.

DM_7 · 22-08-2014 11:36AM

Welbeck is not that fast with the ball at his feet. He is normally caught by defenders.

I don't want him sold btw, just saying.

22-08-2014 11:37AM

Coat22 wrote: »

Stpehen Hunt and my 6 year old have pace but they'd be f*ck all use at Man Utd.

Nani, Wellbeck both underperformers. Move them on.

And that's another problem. Man Utd's fear of letting mediocrity go.

22-08-2014 11:37AM

Welbeck would have helped you v Swansea.

If anyone should be sold up top it's Hernandez

adox · 22-08-2014 11:39AM

I'd guess there is close to zero chance of Welbeck being sold.

22-08-2014 11:40AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Welbeck would have helped you v Swansea.

If anyone should be sold up top it's Hernandez

And I agree with both points.
At least Welbeck has the ability to inject some pace into our attack.

But be warned though....Hernandez splits opinion in here big time :pac:
I want him sold unless he accepts the fact that in my opinion he is best as an impact sub which isn't going to happen.

Coat22 · 22-08-2014 11:40AM

adox wrote: »

I'd guess there is close to zero chance of Welbeck being sold.

Steve Bruce will spend his Long cash on him

Mikeyt086 · 22-08-2014 11:40AM

https://twitter.com/TheMataTouch/status/502423847111389185

Blatter · 22-08-2014 11:42AM

For what it's worth, I've never been convinced of the journo who's reporting the Welbeck stuff, Matt Law.

homerjay2005 · 22-08-2014 11:42AM

looking at the debate here on squad value and all that, how ironic is it to see that our current squad is worth much less than what we pay for it and more to the point, the astounding £181million a year our club pays on wages (including all staff not just players).

and to think Fergie had this obsession with value, when weve got multiple over rated players stealing a living off the club.

UnitedIrishman · 22-08-2014 11:43AM

Think Welbeck is very underrated by many. It's not just the work rate and physical presence he gives us, but our build up play looks infinitely better when he's in the side because he's an outlet for attack.

I'd be fairly annoyed if he's sold on.

22-08-2014 11:44AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

looking at the debate here on squad value and all that, how ironic is it to see that our current squad is worth much less than what we pay for it and more to the point, the astounding £181million a year our club pays on wages (including all staff not just players).

and to think Fergie had this obsession with value, when weve got multiple over rated players stealing a living off the club.

Well said

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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