Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

RE: Vermaelen - I don't think Wenger wanted him playing in the PL either. Also delighted we didn't get him, injured before his first game.

M!Ck^ wrote: »

A good question I was asked today.

Name 2 players in the current utd squad who have increased in value over the last five years excluding Ronaldo

De Gea, easily.

Could argue Rooney as well, considering he's 2...7 now? Puts him at 22 and he's only gotten better.

EDIT: And I think we sold Buttner for a profit somehow? So does that count?

M!Ck^ wrote: »

A good question I was asked today.

Name 2 players in the current utd squad who have increased in value over the last five years excluding Ronaldo

De Gea is better now than he was when he signed, i'd want a fecking fortune for him now.
Rafael was got on a free and we'd get decent money for him now, imo, so him.
Evans was subject of a 12million a few years back - would expect more for him than that now.
Januzaj, but i suppose we can't really can't him in this kind of debate.
Hernandez would go for more now than we paid for him, but less than we'd have got two seasons ago.

M!Ck^ wrote: »

A good question I was asked today.

Name 2 players in the current utd squad who have increased in value over the last five years excluding Ronaldo

DDG, Januzaj, Rooney, Rafael (surely worth more than the 2.5M we paid for him) and arguably Hernandez

Adamcp898 wrote: »

They're not exactly ''cashing in'' though since they're making a loss on him.

Maybe because there broke?

homerjay2005 wrote: »

despite what some people said on here, i dont think many fans actually wanted him - it was a very strange signings to go after.

Was that the feeling at OT last weekend? That we're seriously better off with Smalling / Evans / Jones and a couple of kids with Young playing at Left back than we would have been with Vermaelen???

If so there's a serious case of sour grapes in Manchester

KH25 wrote: »

Chelsea wanted rid of Mata.

I don't recall any real talk of Chelsea properly competing with United for Shaw. If I recall correctly they were against the fee.

It took over a year to sign Herrera.

He signed Rojo, yes, but we've loaned Nani out while still paying all of his wages.

I'm delighted we didn't get Vermaelen .

There's still a gaping hole in defence. I believe we are or at least were in for Vidal. Di Maria too. They are dragging on and on with no sign of any actual impetus from United's side. Just put a bid in if the interest is there.

We see our rivals just going in for players and the deal being either concluded or abandoned relatively quickly. United seem to take twice as long.

If its any consolation, Chelsea have been "lop sided" for years.
We started collecting small technical No10's\wingers instead of proper midfielders.
We are still are hampered by a 50 million vanity buy that stops us having an effective strikeforce
You still won the league more recently than Chelsea

Coat22 wrote: »

Was that the feeling at OT last weekend? That we're seriously better off with Smalling / Evans / Jones and a couple of kids with Young playing at Left back than we would have been with Vermaelen???

If so there's a serious case of sour grapes in Manchester

Nope, ideally Rojo would have been signed in time to play.

beno619 wrote: »

Maybe because there broke?

They're broke not bankrupt.

They're clearly making a conscience decision to make a loss on a player who, since he signed, has actually done really well for them. That would make you think there's something else motivating the sale.

It's actually a really good deal from Liverpool's point of view and tbh one I'd be a little afraid of.

M!Ck^ wrote: »

OK let's say it's debateable about Rooney, so apologies my post above came in late.

My main point being when compared to the top 6 in relation to resale it's not good news at all. And this is an clear indication of the obvious regression in the squad.

De Gea, Rafael have gone up.

Smalling and Jones have gone down.

Evans hasn't changed I don't think. Hasn't played consistantly enough. May be down due to lack of playing, but he seems to know what he's doing when he does play.

Evra has retired. He definately was worth more than what was paid for him but was kept on. Shaw should increase, but it's early days.

In midfield, Fletcher, Carrick and TC23 have gone down. Valencia, Young and Nani have gone down. Herrera and Fellaini are too new, although I doubt Fellaini will ever be a 30m player.

Up front, Rooney has gone up IMO. RVP has remained the same. Mata has remained the same, although he may go up in value as he too is new. Welbeck has gone up.

In relation to youth, Januzaj has gone way up. Wilson, the Keanes, Blackett, Janko etc have all gone up, but they've yet to break the first team (bar Adnan) so we'll reserve calling them.