Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

The_Kew_Tour · 21-08-2014 07:45AM

I have said thid countless times but United dont gave any devine right to anything.

Yoi have to earn it. Having loads of money is not worth F all if you spend it on rubbish in some cases.

No magic wand is going to appear to make us top team again. We have to fight for it.

We are not in wilderness just yet and that should happen if we miss out on 3 or 4 CL spots nut we are going the wrong way.

We need to turn around before it gets tougher.

Leroy42 · 21-08-2014 07:46AM

adox wrote: »

It's complacency to say they are too big or too rich for it to happen. Ok maybe not 25 years but they could easily get left behind for 6 or 7 years or longer.

The problem is, and we are seeing the 1st signs of it now with players like Mueller and Rues not signing, is that top players only sign for top clubs. History, as Liverpool found out, has nothing to do with it.

ONce you fall out of the top clubs most top players will not take the risk that you might not make it back into the CL. National teams, CL games etc all depend on playing for a big club. Why should any top player waste a year, and potentially more, of his career on a 'struggling' club when he could go straight into a top club.

Once that rot sets in, it is almost a vivious circle and very hard to get out. Utd will get away with one year out of the top, but two signals a trend. 2 or 3 years suddenly turn into 5. Top players don't come, top managers won't come. Then the commerical deals start to become smaller, fan base drifts, less money, can't bid for big names etc etc

Like in politics, by the time people work out that things are going badly, its already too late.

KH25 · 21-08-2014 07:50AM

If we don't sign at least another CM this window I will be baffled. If that happens something needs to change.

MagicMarker · 21-08-2014 07:54AM

Looks like Scholes should have been the one made Assistant Manager.

kippy · 21-08-2014 08:05AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

The problem is, and we are seeing the 1st signs of it now with players like Mueller and Rues not signing, is that top players only sign for top clubs. History, as Liverpool found out, has nothing to do with it.

ONce you fall out of the top clubs most top players will not take the risk that you might not make it back into the CL. National teams, CL games etc all depend on playing for a big club. Why should any top player waste a year, and potentially more, of his career on a 'struggling' club when he could go straight into a top club.

Once that rot sets in, it is almost a vivious circle and very hard to get out. Utd will get away with one year out of the top, but two signals a trend. 2 or 3 years suddenly turn into 5. Top players don't come, top managers won't come. Then the commerical deals start to become smaller, fan base drifts, less money, can't bid for big names etc etc

Like in politics, by the time people work out that things are going badly, its already too late.

History doesn't but money does.........
One only has to look at City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco etc etc

The critical thing here is money for the right players.

homerjay2005 · 21-08-2014 08:05AM

Kirby wrote: »

The man speaks sense.

Not alot different in there to what most realistic fans think and what many people on here have been saying all summer, though the 5 players thing is a bit much.

When you see Neville coming out and pretty much saying money was wasted and then Scholes having a pop the following day, you know something is not right. Giggs is close to both,he must be feeling it, Van Gaal must be feeling it.

It really is a sad time for our club. Mediocre sums the entire thing.

KH25 · 21-08-2014 08:11AM

Van Gaal must be aware of the situation. He just has to be. If he is then I would expect him to be pushing for signings. Assuming that's the case, why haven't the signings been made?

Our transfer policy has become a joke. Fabregas last year summed it up for me. At the time he didn't want to leave and Barca didn't want to sell. So instead of making them an offer to turn their heads we tried to low ball them for the entire saga. Then deadline day comes and we have nothing to show for it leading to Fellaini being bought for more than he was available.

This apparent haggling and trying to get cheap deals on big players is going to cost the club more money in the long run. Moreover we will be stuck with a bunch of overpaid mediocre players that were bought in panic.

MagicIRL · 21-08-2014 08:14AM

Lads, as disgruntled as some of you are regarding the lack of signings, moaning on an internet forum won't even remotely solve it, so what's the point?

Leftist · 21-08-2014 08:16AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Lads, as disgruntled as some of you are regarding the lack of signings, moaning on an internet forum won't even remotely solve it, so what's the point?

so what's approved for discussion then?

Lord TSC · 21-08-2014 08:16AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Lads, as disgruntled as some of you are regarding the lack of signings, moaning on an internet forum won't even remotely solve it, so what's the point?

In fairness, it's a discussion forum and everyone is entitled to their opinions. I don't nessecarily get the point of posting the same point over and over and over, but if that's what they want to do (provided it doesn't approach trolling levels), they are more than entitled to do it.

adox · 21-08-2014 08:17AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Lads, as disgruntled as some of you are regarding the lack of signings, moaning on an internet forum won't even remotely solve it, so what's the point?

Cause it's good to talk. :pac:

What's the point of discussing anything beyond your control in life then?

redbaron_99 · 21-08-2014 08:18AM

I have a feeling the club are working on getting a CM in. Otherwise they simply would have brought in Blind by now.

I also get the feeling it's a name that we haven't been openly linked with.

Adamcp898 · 21-08-2014 08:19AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Lads, as disgruntled as some of you are regarding the lack of signings, moaning on an internet forum won't even remotely solve it, so what's the point?

Because those who think everything is rosy must be made to see how wrong they are.

:pac:

MagicIRL · 21-08-2014 08:20AM

I'm all for discussing the club, but running around in circles saying "It's a disgrace Joe" "We haven't signed players Joe" "Eamon Dunpohy reckons Rojo is ****e, Joe" will get us nowhere.

twam2008 · 21-08-2014 08:20AM

KH25 wrote: »

Van Gaal must be aware of the situation. He just has to be. If he is then I would expect him to be pushing for signings. Assuming that's the case, why haven't the signings been made?

Our transfer policy has become a joke. Fabregas last year summed it up for me. At the time he didn't want to leave and Barca didn't want to sell. So instead of making them an offer to turn their heads we tried to low ball them for the entire saga. Then deadline day comes and we have nothing to show for it leading to Fellaini being bought for more than he was available.

This apparent haggling and trying to get cheap deals on big players is going to cost the club more money in the long run. Moreover we will be stuck with a bunch of overpaid mediocre players that were bought in panic.

Yeah, that's it for me. Agree with Scholes on the whole, but disagree with him on the going out and making five major signings ****e, that is where United struggle, and have always struggled, Fabregas was the exception though, the player was available and we dicked about all Summer with seemingly no alternative plan, then panic in January and spend £37m on Mata, when if we'd offered the same for Fabregas we almost certainly would have got him and it would have made a huge difference to our season. Rather than Fellaini who brought us backwards. The problem as I see it is two fold, if we want a marquee signing, then treat it as such, and throw the appropriate money at it, but also have a plan B & C if it doesn't come off. We are heading for a second summer in a row where it appears the club have done very little to strengthen the squad, it's all fair enough saying we are Manchester United, we are the biggest club in the world, but the crap that's going on doesn't show that.

Leftist · 21-08-2014 08:24AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I'm all for discussing the club, but running around in circles saying "It's a disgrace Joe" "We haven't signed players Joe" "Eamon Dunpohy reckons Rojo is ****e, Joe" will get us nowhere.

no discussion here will get us anywhere.

the lack of transfers is the most concerning issue with the club for a lot of supporters at this time. hence the discussion.

it's possible to argue that this situation could lead to us struggling to make the top 4 and thus escalating the club's fall from grace.

symbolic · 21-08-2014 08:26AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I'm all for discussing the club, but running around in circles saying "It's a disgrace Joe" "We haven't signed players Joe" "Eamon Dunpohy reckons Rojo is ****e, Joe" will get us nowhere.

What kind of discussion here would get you somewhere?

Quandary · 21-08-2014 08:27AM

The biggest difference between this and last summer is LVG.

I trust him to get us back into the champs league, at least. His ego is so big that if some tight arsed transfer policy at the club is what prevents him signing the players he feels we need to get back into the top tier, then he will at some point make it public - especially if we are languishing outside the top 4.

I honestly can't see LVG not signing a decent midfielder now considering how weak we are in midfield along with the injury situation. The man has over 2 decades of success behind him as a manager at the top level of football. If we do not get another decent midfielder in then it will not be because LVG didn't request someone IMO.

TheTownie · 21-08-2014 08:28AM

GdS think Benatia has rejected contract extension.

Omid Zamani @Juventus__fan
Today's #gds: #Benatia rejected contract extension, Roma directors will meet with #VanGaal & #Wenger in coming hours.

bucketybuck · 21-08-2014 08:30AM

Love the idea of Giggs walking around wondering if we should buy Fabregas or Kroos!

"Well, we already have Cleverley and I'm not sure Cesc is really a United type of player, maybe we'll just leave it for now, yeah, lets do that".

By all accounts in the last two years we could have arranged deals for Strootman, Thiago, Fabregas and Kroos. Not pie-in-the-sky stuff either, they were deals that could have happened had Moyes for example not vetoed the Strootman one. Imagine having just any two of them at the club right now, the situation would be totally transformed!

Mr_Red · 21-08-2014 08:30AM

I will judge our Transfer activity at exactly 11pm on Monday September 1.

To me its the Media trying to Turn our fans against our club we support for the benefit of a made up story taking other clubs and players out of context.

I trust our club to do the right thing

You are all mentioning players who we should sign for the sole reason that the Media have " Linked" them to the club because " Sources " said so.

Van Gaal is building a new team to fit our new style of play

You dont need to buy Gucci and Ralf Lauren from Brown Thomas when exactly what you need can be picked up going to the Ilac Center.

All the players mentioned for hugh money will be later sold at a loss

If that what we all want? To buy players for 50,60 million and in 3 or 4 years sold for 10, 15 million.

We need to rebuild the team with excellent players who fit exactly what VG is planning for us and if that means finding up and coming talent, so be it

Maximus Alexander · 21-08-2014 08:30AM

adox wrote: »

Cause it's good to talk. :pac:

What's the point of discussing anything beyond your control in life then?

The point of discussion of events outside of your control is usually that it's enjoyable. Is anyone actually enjoying the constant cycle of a crying and moaning, day in, day out?

adox · 21-08-2014 08:31AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I'm all for discussing the club, but running around in circles saying "It's a disgrace Joe" "We haven't signed players Joe" "Eamon Dunpohy reckons Rojo is ****e, Joe" will get us nowhere.

Most of the talk seems to be on the interview that was released last night that Scholes gave, so very current and relevant.

It's kind of ironic that you are repeatedly posting the above style comment too don't ya think?

MagicIRL · 21-08-2014 08:34AM

adox wrote: »

Most of the talk seems to be on the interview that was released last night that Scholes gave, so very current and relevant.

It's kind of ironic that you are repeatedly posting the above style comment too don't ya think?

I don't think you understand irony.

Debate is fun and enjoyable, but not when it's 30 pages of cricles, ya know?

The Scholes interview, now that is worth discussing, as is the point of Scholes v Giggs as AM. Simply posting that it's a disgrace because X and Y haven't been signed is a complete waste of internet space! :pac:

twam2008 · 21-08-2014 08:34AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

The point of discussion of events outside of your control is usually that it's enjoyable. Is anyone actually enjoying the constant cycle of a crying and moaning, day in, day out?

I'm enjoying it more than "My checklist is...".

adox · 21-08-2014 08:35AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

The point of discussion of events outside of your control is usually that it's enjoyable. Is anyone actually enjoying the constant cycle of a crying and moaning, day in, day out?

Well no, the point of discussion is to discuss things, be it good or bad.

This isn't Disney World.

Nalz · 21-08-2014 08:36AM

Its refreshing to read a footballer of Paul Scholes class and association to United come out with what he did instead of us eejits repeating it on boards.ie!

I don't the Khedira love though, he's not in the same class bracket as the other four he mentioned.

homerjay2005 · 21-08-2014 08:39AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Lads, as disgruntled as some of you are regarding the lack of signings, moaning on an internet forum won't even remotely solve it, so what's the point?

Nothing will be solved by what happens on here, you are correct.but we are discussing the scholes thing, maybe Scholes has been listening to us fans "moaning" ,Neville will be opening his twitter every morning with 1000's of people saying what scholes has said, maybe that will work its way up the food chain from both of them to the top - unlikely but woodward is surely aware of the dire need and will be aware of scholes piece this morning.

Nicky Butt was sat near us on Saturday and he looked depressed, he would have seen and heard the same disgruntled fans that i did. He too will surely be in Giggs ear, Woodwards ear.

What is growing though is match going fans are being asked to protest and boycott our next home game. It started on twitter, its making it way now to various papers and forums and with what scholes has said, thats going to escalate now.if there are no big signings, our next home game is going to be even more depressing than swansea.

You and others keep having a go at others for saying the same thing, however if the club sorted things out, it would end. If people stopped posting "i am happy/almost happy" then it wouldnt be as much a problem.if people stopped defending woodward, the "moaners" would lessen.

Its a bloody mess. And if people are sick of listening to me or anybody else, maybe listen to one of our greatest players ever and what he has said. We all cant be wrong.

MagicIRL · 21-08-2014 08:40AM

Thats a lovely post Homer. Love the characters. Well written.

None of them are on boards.ie, however.

Maximus Alexander · 21-08-2014 08:41AM

twam2008 wrote: »

I'm enjoying it more than "My checklist is...".

adox wrote: »

Well no, the point of discussion is to discuss things, be it good or bad.

This isn't Disney World.

The point of [thing] is [same thing] is a nonsense statement. But whatever, I'll leave ye to your pity party.

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