Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

Larry Wildman · 20-08-2014 10:00PM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/juventus-declare-manchester-united-target-4080779

Vidal is now 100% fit according to Juventus.

Just in time for Friday too!

Rayne Wooney · 20-08-2014 10:00PM

Rojo, Evans, Smalling, Jones and Blackett is still one short IMO and the most important part is missing, we need a commanding player at the heart and Van Gaal needs to find one

Headshot · 20-08-2014 10:00PM

J. Marston wrote: »

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/statuses/502188787305574400

Scholes fearing that we could be heading for the football wilderness.

I love Paul and always will. Im very happy that he speaks his mind. Just find it really strange that a player who was seemly very quiet, is so outspoken now. Fair dues to him

Unearthly · 20-08-2014 10:01PM

that can't be true about nani's wages ffs :eek:

Adamocovic · 20-08-2014 10:02PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Rojo, Evans, Smalling, Jones and Blackett is still one short IMO and the most important part is missing, we need a commanding player at the heart and Van Gaal needs to find one

I imagine most people are expecting Evans to step into the role as leader in the back. He seems vocal during matches and hopefully becomes that commanding player we need.

Jules.Winnfield · 20-08-2014 10:03PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We are paying a player who does not play for us for a total of 4.8million

When you think about it for a moment it stinks of desperation, poor negotiation and down right stupid money management

So better we pay 4.8m for him not to get his game, take up a squad spot, and be even harder to shift next season or season after and so on.

Or take the hit this season, (chance) he regains some kind of form and Sporting or someone else decide he has what it takes and splashes the cash and takes him off our books next year for 15m+... all the while it acts as a sweetener in a deal to recruit a badly needed Defender.

Makes sense to me

twam2008 · 20-08-2014 10:04PM

Most people are expecting us to sign a decent midfielder, I wouldn't count on that either.

homerjay2005 · 20-08-2014 10:04PM

J. Marston wrote: »

Scholes fearing that we could be heading for the football wilderness.

Him and 1000s of other united fans feel like that too.

If he is thinking it though, surely there must be a feeling in or around the club that something is wrong with the hierarchy and before long this is all going to burst - heads will roll sooner or later unless the Glazers really dont give a s*it.

interesting to see though that he says we need 5 top players asap - again, something that many fans would agree with.

20-08-2014 10:09PM

Jules.Winnfield wrote: »

So better we pay 4.8m for him not to get his game, take up a squad spot, and be even harder to shift next season or season after and so on.

Or take the hit this season, (chance) he regains some kind of form and Sporting or someone else decide he has what it takes and splashes the cash and takes him off our books next year for 15m+... all the while it acts as a sweetener in a deal to recruit a badly needed Defender.

Makes sense to me

A player who was deemed useful enough to come on at the weekend and actually looked bothered by the fact that United were losing? That alone disproves the fact he's not needed in the squad. Works well with Rooney too who doesn't seem to have a great understanding with a lot of the current crop.

I'll be very interested to see who Sporting get in the CL this season.

kryogen · 20-08-2014 10:14PM

Unearthly wrote: »

that can't be true about nani's wages ffs :eek:

Meh, it could be down to the complication with the third party, a way of giving them more value without them having to pay it to the third party.

Could be down to the manager, who didn't give him the contract.

Could be inaccurate reporting, the talk before yesterday was Sporting would pay a part of his wages but not all.

We just don't know tbh nor will we ever.

aligator_am · 20-08-2014 10:21PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We are paying a player who does not play for us for a total of 4.8million

When you think about it for a moment it stinks of desperation, poor negotiation and down right stupid money management

Brylcream isn't cheap.

dougee19 · 20-08-2014 10:22PM

I think we need Moyes back because most of ye fans are just full of excuses and pessimists and he would be a perfect match.

We are getting top 3 guaranteed lads, Swansea were just good at passing yo. The rest of the premiership can't pass so what are ye all worrying about. We are going to get minimum 19 from next 21 points and probably 21 so don't be badmouthing now and praising in 7 games time please

DM_7 · 20-08-2014 10:23PM

kryogen wrote: »

Has that actually been confirmed? I know its widely speculated but I haven't checked it yet.

I am pretty sure Sporting said the loan was at no cost to them

Nani played a low number of games the last two seasons. Out of a possible 109 games he only started 24 and came on as a sub in 10. A starting percentage in the low 20s is pretty disappointing. He desperately needs to play regular football.

So even when he was at the club they didn't the value for his wages. May as well use the opportunity to get him games, get a player in who will play regularly, make Nani either attractive to buyers or useful next season.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>....

Attached image highlights some big changes in the squad over the last couple of seasons and how many players could be deemed as not contributing enough by not being picked, injured etc (details from stretfordend.co.uk).

Also shows the imbalance in the Squad, why Van Gaal wants a winger, concerned about the number of 10s.

I can see Hernandez moving on with the low number of starts, possibly makes sense to give those games to Wilson.

Sure does highlight the loss of Evra and Vidic. Evans needs to step up as the oldest defender and Jones, considering how much he has actually played the last couple of seasons needs a big season also.

EDIT: I should mention thats not every player, Lingard, Wilson and James for example are not in this years list, not sure what the role they will have will actually be, excludes the Fabios, Zahas etc who rarely featured.

Adamocovic · 20-08-2014 10:27PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Sure does highlight the loss of Evra and Vidic. Evans needs to step up as the oldest defender and Jones, considering how much he has actually played the last couple of seasons needs a big season also.

Exactly agree here. Hopefully this turns out as a season where a few new leaders are born in the team.

Badly need some of the more experienced players, who have won premierships to step up and accept they have to be the ones new players will look to.

thelad95 · 20-08-2014 10:29PM

dougee19 wrote: »

We are getting top 3 guaranteed lads, Swansea were just good at passing yo. The rest of the premiership can't pass so what are ye all worrying about. We are going to get minimum 19 from next 21 points and probably 21 so don't be badmouthing now and praising in 7 games time please

No.

Larry Wildman · 20-08-2014 10:29PM

Interesting list in the Indo...United's worst ever signings:

Nani
Liam Miller
Anderson
Gabriel Obertan
Juan Sebastian Veron
Marouane Fellaini
Massimo Taibi
Bebe
William Prunier
Pat McGibbon
Laurent Blanc
Jordi Cruyff
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Ralph Milne
Kleberson
David Bellion
Diego Forlan
Dong Fangzhuo

TheTownie · 20-08-2014 10:31PM

kryogen wrote: »

Meh, it could be down to the complication with the third party, a way of giving them more value without them having to pay it to the third party.

Could be down to the manager, who didn't give him the contract.

Could be inaccurate reporting, the talk before yesterday was Sporting would pay a part of his wages but not all.

We just don't know tbh nor will we ever.

Not much guesswork involved. Sporting said Nani was free in their statement.

See here

Translation:

Under the terms and for the purposes of compliance with the obligation of information from the provisions of Article 248, No. 1 al. a) of the Securities Code Securities, A SPORTING CLUB DE PORTUGAL, SOCCER, SAD reports have reached an agreement with Manchester United Football Club Limited for the acquisition outright of sports rights and 100% of the rights economic player Marcos Rojo, the total value € 20,000,000.00 (twenty million euros), payable in three installments: € 10,000,000.00 paid immediate and two installments of € 5,000,000.00 each, paid on December 1 2014 and July 1, 2015.

Value above and in accordance with the contracted shall be paid to Spartak Moscow € 4,000,000.00, in proportion to the amounts received by SPORTING SAD Manchester United.

Please note that the agreement also provides for the right of the Sporting SAD receive 20% of the gain a player for the future transfer amount more than € 23,000,000.00.

Simultaneously the SPORTING SAD reached agreement with Manchester United for the temporary transfer, free of charge, for SPORTING SAD Nani athlete until the end of season 2014 / 2015.

Regarding DOYEN SPORTS INVESTMENTS LIMITED, and consequently the resolution for cause the contract with this entity to contribution to the economic rights of the player, the SPORTING SAD reports that refund immediately, Doyen to the amount invested by this entity, in legal terms.

With this operation, the Board of Directors of Sporting SAD communicates you want to affect, to define in legal terms, EUR 9 million to construction of the Pavilion of Sporting Clube de Portugal, continuing the Mission Pavilion in operation until it raised the value of one million euros.

The bidding round for the construction of the Pavilion is in phase conclusion was found that providing the necessary authorizations their arrival in competent authorities, particularly in CML, with the shortest possible to the start of construction of the new pavilion Sporting is one reality as soon as possible.

Lisbon, August 19, 2014

The Board of Directors

thelad95 · 20-08-2014 10:32PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Interesting list in the Indo...United's worst ever signings:

Nani
Liam Miller
Anderson
Gabriel Obertan
Juan Sebastian Veron
Marouane Fellaini
Massimo Taibi
Bebe
William Prunier
Pat McGibbon
Laurent Blanc
Jordi Cruyff
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Ralph Milne
Kleberson
David Bellion
Diego Forlan
Dong Fangzhuo

I've always thought Forlan wasn't a flop. He certainly didn't live up to expectations but he doesn't belong on a list with Liam Miller and Bebe. Once Forlan got past the 20 odd games he didn't score in he was actually pretty decent.

20 Times 20 Times · 20-08-2014 10:32PM

Is the injury to fellani, finally going to push us to sign the cm we have needed for the last ten years!

Adamocovic · 20-08-2014 10:34PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Interesting list in the Indo...United's worst ever signings:

Nani
Liam Miller
Anderson
Gabriel Obertan
Juan Sebastian Veron
Marouane Fellaini
Massimo Taibi
Bebe
William Prunier
Pat McGibbon
Laurent Blanc
Jordi Cruyff
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Ralph Milne
Kleberson
David Bellion
Diego Forlan
Dong Fangzhuo

Bit ridiculous of them naming out players who's careers aren't yet over with the club. Surely they should wait until a players spell is finished at a club before making a decision on it.

Then again it's only a space filler of an article so I probably shouldn't read too much into it! Only opinions.

bantee · 20-08-2014 10:35PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Interesting list in the Indo...United's worst ever signings:

Nani
Liam Miller
Anderson
Gabriel Obertan
Juan Sebastian Veron
Marouane Fellaini
Massimo Taibi
Bebe
William Prunier
Pat McGibbon
Laurent Blanc
Jordi Cruyff
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Ralph Milne
Kleberson
David Bellion
Diego Forlan
Dong Fangzhuo

Don't agree with all that list, Nani & Forlan had some great contributions.

My top 3 would be:
1- Prunier
2- Bebe
3- Taibi

Adamocovic · 20-08-2014 10:36PM

20 Times 20 Times wrote: »

Is the injury to fellani, finally going to push us to sign the cm we have needed for the last ten years!

Or it stops us from loaning out Nick Powell who steps into the centre and becomes an instant hit, and has 10-15 good seasons with us.........

...hey a boy can dream!

Backstreet Moyes · 20-08-2014 10:37PM

How can Nani the club player of the year in a title winning season be included on that list.

Also Fellaini he has not even had a chance at the club.

Whoever wrote that list hasn't a clue.

Schwiiing · 20-08-2014 10:37PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Interesting list in the Indo...United's worst ever signings:

Nani
Liam Miller
Anderson
Gabriel Obertan
Juan Sebastian Veron
Marouane Fellaini
Massimo Taibi
Bebe
William Prunier
Pat McGibbon
Laurent Blanc
Jordi Cruyff
Eric Djemba-Djemba
Ralph Milne
Kleberson
David Bellion
Diego Forlan
Dong Fangzhuo

Didn't Blanc do decently enough while he was with us. In fairness to hm he was 34/5 when he signed. Veron used to play well in CL games when we used a different system to the 4-4-2 in the league. He always looked lost with the PL going on at 100 mph all around him.

RobbingBandit · 20-08-2014 10:39PM

Would put Mark Bosnich or Roy Carroll there rather than Nani, Nani has had some good times he just needs a chance to get back to his best.

Kirby · 20-08-2014 10:39PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Or it stops us from loaning out Nick Powell who steps into the centre and becomes an instant hit, and has 10-15 good seasons with us.........

...hey a boy can dream!

That Powell one baffles me. Clearly he is rubbish if he can't get a game ahead of the likes of Cleverley according to three different managers. But then, if he's a poor player why was he bought?

It's baffling.

Schwiiing · 20-08-2014 10:39PM

Karel Poborsky didnt exactly light up the PL when he signed either.

DM_7 · 20-08-2014 10:40PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

How can Nani the club player of the year in a title winning season be included on that list.

Also Fellaini he has not even had a chance at the club.

Whoever wrote that list hasn't a clue.

Its a teeny tiny list considering the length of time of covers. They had to include some suspect ones to fill it out.

Larry Wildman · 20-08-2014 10:40PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Bit ridiculous of them naming out players who's careers aren't yet over with the club. Surely they should wait until a players spell is finished at a club before making a decision on it.

Then again it's probably only a space filler of an article so I probably shouldn't read too much into it! Only opinions.

Harsh on Forlan alright.

On balance, Taibi would be my shout. Back in '99, £4.5m was a lot for a goalkeeper. The guy played four games...four games! "The Blind Venetian" was an appropriate nickname...

Vinz Mesrine · 20-08-2014 10:40PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

How can Nani the club player of the year in a title winning season be included on that list.

Also Fellaini he has not even had a chance at the club.

Whoever wrote that list hasn't a clue.

A lot of United fans I know criticise Nani but when questioned further on it they can't give a valid reason for it. Maybe it's because some people saw him as the successor to Ronaldo and he couldn't reach that level.

On his day, he's a devastating, if very unlikeable, player.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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