Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

RobertKK · 19-08-2014 08:13PM

Off the ball now, a lot of united tonight .

DM_7 · 19-08-2014 08:16PM

Based on the world cup I liked Rojo as a left back. Has some work to do which Van Gaal probably likes with his record for coaching players. Not sure what to expect from cb position.

He is a bit of a header, but United probably need that, too many easy going lads on the team.

Him and Shaw should be a major improvement on Evra and Buttner once they both settle at United.

I have said before that I wanted some new blood brought in, players that can improve at United and be that next star so hopefully he fits that description. Obviously want Hummels, Di Maria, Vidal types more than anything but the summer thats in it I didn't expect it.

Hopefully 2 more to come and another couple in January.

redbaron_99 · 19-08-2014 08:17PM

lordgoat wrote: »

????

No he wasn't. He was a bit of a liability, the highlight being the rabona clearance in his own box.

I watched every Argie match and he grand going forward and it vertainy helped having Mascerano in the team.

I think he could be this years butters. A totally underwhelming signing.

He's a better player than Buttner. FFS.

Maximus Alexander · 19-08-2014 08:18PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

He's a better player than Buttner. FFS.

Nah Buttner was much better at the World Cup.

Reedsie · 19-08-2014 08:19PM

Didn't he add a load of United players to his social media account a couple of weeks back?
And he announced that he had signed today before the club officially announced it.
There's his going on 'strike' and having to apologise to Sporting and their fans.
He has a shocking disciplinary record.

Hardly creates the impression of the most professional player but hopefully he can do a job on the pitch.

Had a good World Cup by all accounts but was considered the weak point in Argentina's team beforehand.

We did need a left sided defender. I don't think he'll be outshining our other defenders or anything but it's good to fill that gap. Looking forward to seeing him.

Nalz · 19-08-2014 08:19PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

He's a better player than Buttner. FFS.

By what distance? I didn't think much of him or Perez in that Arge side

Reedsie · 19-08-2014 08:21PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

He is a bit of a header

That's what I was trying to say. In a lot of words.

How Soon Is Now · 19-08-2014 08:21PM

I see Anderson did the stupid bucket of Ice water challenge and nominated fergie afterwards!

Larry Wildman · 19-08-2014 08:22PM

Trilla wrote: »

By what distance? I didn't think much of him or Perez in that Arge side

I'm not a Rojo expert, but by quite a bit presumably? Buttner was average.

Interesting discussion about United's spending. Their obvious point is the lack of income from sales due to retirements and token sales. They did also point out the lack of high value players in the squad. Apart from De Gea and Rooney, who's worth a truckload?

Montroseee · 19-08-2014 08:24PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I'm not a Rojo expert, but by quite a bit presumably? Buttner was average.

Interesting discussion about United's spending. Their obvious point is the lack of income from sales due to retirements and token sales. They did also point out the lack of high value players in the squad. Apart from De Gea and Rooney, who's worth a truckload?

Adnan would be worth quite a lot, given his potential 25 Million +. Mata and Jonny Evans would be worth a lot also.

Reedsie · 19-08-2014 08:25PM

lordgoat wrote: »

I think he could be this years butters. A totally underwhelming signing.

They have one thing in common anyway in that Southampton tried to sign both before United swooped.

Larry Wildman · 19-08-2014 08:27PM

Montroseee wrote: »

Adnan would be worth quite a lot, given his potential 25 Million +. Mata and Jonny Evans would be worth a lot also.

Sorry, yes...Adnan of course.

I don't think that Jonny Evans would be worth that much (maybe £15m?).

Mata's value has probably declined but he's probably still north of £20m so yeah.

Justin10 · 19-08-2014 08:27PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I see Anderson did the stupid bucket of Ice water challenge and nominated fergie afterwards!

Look at Kagawas face when he gets nominated.

Hococop · 19-08-2014 08:29PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I see Anderson did the stupid bucket of Ice water challenge and nominated fergie afterwards!

Shakira nominated pope Francis and McIlroy nominated George bush so not that odd a nomination when you think about it

Larry Wildman · 19-08-2014 08:30PM

Discussion with the journo re the Moyes interview coming up on Off the Ball...

Larry Wildman · 19-08-2014 08:37PM

Jesus...Moyes when confronted by a journo saying "you're being sacked" said "no way...this is Manchester United...there's no way that you could know before me".

Then he showed up at Carrington at 4am to be sacked having not slept and had to wait four hours for Woodward to arrive to sack him. He went for a run in the dark to avoid the photographers.

Think what you want of the decision, the leaking of his sacking and our transfer dealings are indicative of a club that's badly run at the top in relation to certain aspects.

Reedsie · 19-08-2014 08:42PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Jesus...Moyes when confronted by a journo saying "you're being sacked" said "no way...this is Manchester United...there's no way that you could know before me".

Then he showed up at Carrington at 4am to be sacked having not slept and had to wait four hours for Woodward to arrive to sack him. He went for a run in the dark to avoid the photographers.

Think what you want of the decision, the leaking of his sacking and our transfer dealings are indicative of a club that's badly run at the top in relation to certain aspects.

That's all old news from the weekend. He arrived at 4am to avoid the press. You hardly think he expected Woodward to be there at 4am do you?

But yes it was dealt with very poorly by United.

onemorechance · 19-08-2014 08:42PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Jesus...Moyes when confronted by a journo saying "you're being sacked" said "no way...this is Manchester United...there's no way that you could know before me".

Then he showed up at Carrington at 4am to be sacked having not slept and had to wait four hours for Woodward to arrive to sack him. He went for a run in the dark to avoid the photographers.

Think what you want of the decision, the leaking of his sacking and our transfer dealings are indicative of a club that's badly run at the top in relation to certain aspects.

It seemed like the leak was very deliberate; the transfer dealings seem much less so!

DM_7 · 19-08-2014 08:43PM

That was all in his Daily Mail interview posted mentioned and linked over the weekend, you might have missed it but probably still easy to find on their site if you want to read it.

It didn't generate much discussion then. I feel bad for Moysie but he is a big boy so he will get over it.

Larry Wildman · 19-08-2014 08:43PM

Reedsie wrote: »

That's all news from the weekend. He arrived at 4am to avoid the press. You hardly think he expected Woodward to be there at 4am do you?

I wanted him sacked but it's a sad story.

Larry Wildman · 19-08-2014 08:44PM

onemorechance wrote: »

It seemed like the leak was very deliberate; the transfer dealings seem much less so!

It was morally wrong to leak it.

He was out of his depth but should have been treated a bit better in relation to the sacking.

Chagan · 19-08-2014 08:46PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Jesus...Moyes when confronted by a journo saying "you're being sacked" said "no way...this is Manchester United...there's no way that you could know before me".

Then he showed up at Carrington at 4am to be sacked having not slept and had to wait four hours for Woodward to arrive to sack him. He went for a run in the dark to avoid the photographers.

Think what you want of the decision, the leaking of his sacking and our transfer dealings are indicative of a club that's badly run at the top in relation to certain aspects.

To be fair, his own grandmother was probably telling him he was going to be sacked by that stage. It was only a matter of time before one of them got it right.

But yeah, if we did leak it then that wasn't nice.

edgecutter · 19-08-2014 08:47PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Jesus...Moyes when confronted by a journo saying "you're being sacked" said "no way...this is Manchester United...there's no way that you could know before me".

Then he showed up at Carrington at 4am to be sacked having not slept and had to wait four hours for Woodward to arrive to sack him. He went for a run in the dark to avoid the photographers.

Think what you want of the decision, the leaking of his sacking and our transfer dealings are indicative of a club that's badly run at the top in relation to certain aspects.

I heard it was leaked to get all the board onside to sack Moyes, due to a belief that his position would be unattainable due to the speculation.

onemorechance · 19-08-2014 08:49PM

edgecutter wrote: »

I heard it was leaked to get all the board onside to sack Moyes, due to a belief that his position would be unattainable due to the speculation.

Sounds very plausible. I reckon the likes of SAF and Charlton would not have been so eager to give him the boot in his first season.

Larry Wildman · 19-08-2014 08:52PM

onemorechance wrote: »

Sounds very plausible. I reckon the likes of SAF and Charlton would not have been so eager to give him the boot in his first season.

I don't understand the need to sack him at Carrington in the full glare of the media.

homerjay2005 · 19-08-2014 08:53PM

Headshot wrote: »

Im very mixed about Rojo signing. I would be still worried about our defence

Pretty much sums up my feelings but im optimistic that it will be a decent signing for us - not sure what to make of it and i see lots of mixed feedback - some people are really happy, others happy enough, others in the waiting to see though in fairness very few people arent happy with it.

positives -

Argentinian first choice defender who had a decent world cup.
Left sided defender which we were badly lacking and will provide cover/options at LB with immediate effect.
Can play in defensive 3.
He didnt cost too much, so is a low enough risk transfer.
Seems very motivated, strong character and well driven - this is something badly lacking at the club right now.

risks -

South american players moving to england not always settle in quickly, which we need.
Questions over his ability to play in a center back 2 - possibly a better LB than a CB.
Has happened before that players playing good in world cup, dont bring that form into a new club the following season.
is not our first choice center back target and not a star name, though can of course become one.
signing is very late in terms of settling in and could take a while before he gets used to Van Gaals methods

would people be happy if thats our defensive recruiting done? Benatia would be nice, but i think Rojo could be our lot now - CM and Winger to come hopefully

MagicMarker · 19-08-2014 08:53PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

I don't understand the need to sack him at Carrington in the full glare of the media.

Yeah, all those pictures of him getting sacked....

Your Airbag · 19-08-2014 08:55PM

87% of made up transfer rumours traced back to your mate John.

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2014/08/19/87-of-made-up-transfer-rumours-traced-back-to-your-mate-john/

Your Airbag · 19-08-2014 08:57PM

Rojo was the best of the last four WC left backs

MagicMarker · 19-08-2014 08:59PM

Were there only 4 left backs at the world cup?

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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