Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

kryogen · 19-08-2014 12:51PM

Liam O wrote: »

Van Gaal bringing him on the other day would suggest he sees him as somewhat useful too.

That or that he had no other options, which he didnt

I would think Nani is certainly seen as expendable sadly

RobbingBandit · 19-08-2014 12:53PM

Or he was using it as a chance to put Nani in the shop window.

markcahill1985 · 19-08-2014 12:53PM

kryogen wrote: »

That or that he had no other options, which he didnt I would think Nani is certainly seen as expendable sadly

Being presented at Sporting after their training today apparantly

Mitch Connor · 19-08-2014 12:53PM

Liam O wrote: »

Van Gaal bringing him on the other day would suggest he sees him as somewhat useful too.

Or: without RVP, Welbeck, Carrick, Shaw, Valencia, Rafael or Evans, he had limted options on the bench - compounded by Lingard going off injured. We had no other attacking option on the bench other than Nani, and no real option for the bench that could/should have been there ahead of him.

kryogen · 19-08-2014 12:54PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

despite the fact that Ferrguson said he never had a defensive midfielder in 25 years at the club?

Anderson got forward as much as any midfield player, he just wasnt very good at it.

Fergie always told the truth eh?

The_Kew_Tour · 19-08-2014 12:55PM

Things are even so bad that even a Hibs supporter feeels sorry for me:pac:

RayCun · 19-08-2014 12:57PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

and you (and a few others) are completely under estimating the impact of Net spending has on transfer budgets.

But
In the last five years City and Chelsea both have net spending significantly higher (70m, 90m) than United
The reason why they made so much back from sales in the last five years is they spent so much on players in the previous five years

In the last 5 years City have sold 129m of players. Their net spend, in the previous five years, was 230m.

redbaron_99 · 19-08-2014 01:02PM

Seeing as though it's his last day at the club, I think we should spark off the ultimate death match Nani debate on whether he's world class or absolute gash. We can fight tooth and nail over it and half of us will get banned. A blaze of glory, lads! A blaze of glory.

sReq | uTeK · 19-08-2014 01:03PM

Question, if you're Adidas and you've just handed over 750 million how do you feel about the lack of big time players coming into the team, surely an influx of stars sell shirts and kits which is where the big chunk of revenue comes from.

I'd be pretty pissed that's for sure.

magnumbud · 19-08-2014 01:04PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Seeing as though it's his last day at the club, I think we should spark off the ultimate death match Nani debate on whether he's world class or absolute gash. We can fight tooth and nail over it and half of us will get banned. A blaze of glory, lads! A blaze of glory.

hes only going on loan not being sold

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Question, if you're Adidas and you've just handed over 750 million how do you feel about the lack of big time players coming into the team, surely an influx of stars sell shirts and kits which is where the big chunk of revenue comes from.

I'd be pretty pissed that's for sure.

we have 4 of the top 10 shirt selling names in the Premier league from last season. i'm sure they wont be too concerned yet.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/aug/van-persie-remains-top-selling-shirt-in-barclays-premier-league.html

Leroy42 · 19-08-2014 01:07PM

RayCun wrote: »

But
In the last five years City and Chelsea both have net spending significantly higher (70m, 90m) than United
The reason why they made so much back from sales in the last five years is they spent so much on players in the previous five years

In the last 5 years City have sold 129m of players. Their net spend, in the previous five years, was 230m.

Net spend is a pointless stat.

Gross spend is the only lke for like measurement as to get to Net means that the player has to then be sold or released (like Vidic) and does not take account the usage made of the player.

Gross fees show the amount of money spend on players and is not warped by massive losses or profits (Spurs for Bale etc.) From a business point of view it makes sense but not from gauging the amount of transfers to a team.

Spurs had very littel net spend last year but is it right to basically value all the incoming players at zero since the cost was covered by Bale?

sReq | uTeK · 19-08-2014 01:08PM

magnumbud wrote: »

hes only going on loan not being sold

we have 4 of the top 10 shirt selling names in the Premier league from last season. i'm sure they wont be too concerned yet.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/aug/van-persie-remains-top-selling-shirt-in-barclays-premier-league.html

Surely that has to do with our fanbase within the UK already, I'm on about a global scale.

19-08-2014 01:09PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Or: without RVP, Welbeck, Carrick, Shaw, Valencia, Rafael or Evans, he had limted options on the bench - compounded by Lingard going off injured. We had no other attacking option on the bench other than Nani, and no real option for the bench that could/should have been there ahead of him.

Not sure what Shaw and Evans have to do with Nani. Kagawa was on the bench too and I don't think Zaha is injured is he?

homerjay2005 · 19-08-2014 01:09PM

kryogen wrote: »

Fergie always told the truth eh?

id put more weight behind what he says, as opposed to you....but thanks anyway.

DM_7 · 19-08-2014 01:10PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Question, if you're Adidas and you've just handed over 750 million how do you feel about the lack of big time players coming into the team, surely an influx of stars sell shirts and kits which is where the big chunk of revenue comes from.

I'd be pretty pissed that's for sure.

They are not the current kit suppliers so they would probably prefer big names to arrive next summer..........

Current sponsors like Chevrolet would be concerned if results are poor this season.

homerjay2005 · 19-08-2014 01:10PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Question, if you're Adidas and you've just handed over 750 million how do you feel about the lack of big time players coming into the team, surely an influx of stars sell shirts and kits which is where the big chunk of revenue comes from.

I'd be pretty pissed that's for sure.

Addidas deal doesnt start until next year. right now, they are im sure pretty pleased that no big name shirt deals are going to Nike.

magnumbud · 19-08-2014 01:11PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Surely that has to do with our fanbase within the UK already, I'm on about a global scale.

kagawas not in there for english fanbase i would guess. sure if you sign an argentine superstar that would boost sales there but globally united is the most bought kit along with real and has been for years and we havent really bought too many massive stars in that time the current players will continue to sell. i'd be more worried if we didnt have world star names in a few season when rvp and rooney are getting on

Chagan · 19-08-2014 01:11PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Question, if you're Adidas and you've just handed over 750 million how do you feel about the lack of big time players coming into the team, surely an influx of stars sell shirts and kits which is where the big chunk of revenue comes from.

I'd be pretty pissed that's for sure.

They''ll be happy enough to see no signings until next summer. It' no good for them if Vidal signs a contract in a Nike t-shirt.

Of course there's no guarantee we'll sign anyone next summer either so that's a concern.

2moreMinutes · 19-08-2014 01:12PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Question, if you're Adidas and you've just handed over 750 million how do you feel about the lack of big time players coming into the team, surely an influx of stars sell shirts and kits which is where the big chunk of revenue comes from.

I'd be pretty pissed that's for sure.

I'm sure Adidas couldn't care less who is bought this year. I'd guess they'd be delighted at a few superstars being bought next year to coincide with their new shirts.

Mitch Connor · 19-08-2014 01:13PM

Chagan wrote: »

They''ll be happy enough to see no signings until next summer. It' no good for them if Vidal signs a contract in a Nike t-shirt.

Of course there's no guarantee we'll sign anyone next summer either so that's a concern.

Will they? Are they stupid?

We sign no one good enough this summer, we don't make CL this season, we have absolutely no chance of signing anyone good next summer - so the no CL cycle continues, and their big sponsorship deal with us becomes a fecking disaster.

Giggsy11 · 19-08-2014 01:14PM

Rojo liked one more pic on Instagram saying Rojo is red.

He Favorited tweet congratulating him on 20 Million move.

He loves to play with social media.

Mitch Connor · 19-08-2014 01:16PM

Liam O wrote: »

Not sure what Shaw and Evans have to do with Nani. Kagawa was on the bench too and I don't think Zaha is injured is he?

Is Zaha a better option than Nani on the bench? Really?

KAgawa, fair enough, but he is a central player and LVG brought someone on to play wide.

Adamcp898 · 19-08-2014 01:18PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Question, if you're Adidas and you've just handed over 750 million how do you feel about the lack of big time players coming into the team, surely an influx of stars sell shirts and kits which is where the big chunk of revenue comes from.

I'd be pretty pissed that's for sure.

They have plenty of performance requirements to be met before they stump up the £75 million each year. All the more reason why we should be spending now in order to exploit the deal fully.

kryogen · 19-08-2014 01:19PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Question, if you're Adidas and you've just handed over 750 million how do you feel about the lack of big time players coming into the team, surely an influx of stars sell shirts and kits which is where the big chunk of revenue comes from.

I'd be pretty pissed that's for sure.

You haven't just handed over 750million yet, so that would be ok so far

Also, I would think you would be happy to see how the season goes, thinking with players like Rooney, RVP, Mata, Kagawa etc in the squad that jersey and merch sales will probably stay quite healthy and if the club don't reach the target of CL football you will not even have to spend the 75million a year to have your name on the stuff.

As long as there are a few big name stars they will be quite happy, star studded teams not necessary. The club will need to replenish good players anyway for its own sake

MagicIRL · 19-08-2014 01:19PM

I would rather have Nani in my squad then Zaha any day of the week. As inconsistent as Nani is, at least he has reached a very, very high level of football before. Zaha has done nothing outside of the Championship to warrant praise like that.

case885 · 19-08-2014 01:22PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYiID87Nbwg
Poor ashley will never get a kiss again :pac:

sReq | uTeK · 19-08-2014 01:23PM

2moreMinutes wrote: »

I'm sure Adidas couldn't care less who is bought this year. I'd guess they'd be delighted at a few superstars being bought next year to coincide with their new shirts.

Thanks Guys, I thought it was kicking in this year, my bad, Guess they're delighted at the fiasco that is our transfers thus far.

Chagan · 19-08-2014 01:27PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Will they? Are they stupid?

We sign no one good enough this summer, we don't make CL this season, we have absolutely no chance of signing anyone good next summer - so the no CL cycle continues, and their big sponsorship deal with us becomes a fecking disaster.

If we don't make CL this season, the money they have to pay drops by a good bit, among other performance related clauses I'd bet.

Given our commercial power, I'd also be confident that shirt sales wouldn't drop significantly either. Considering it'll be the first year of Adidas shirts, sales could even be up on this year.

Bringing in quality and it's effect on the shirt deal should be a concern for the club certainly but I'd say Adidas have thought long and hard about how they're going to make their money off of us. You don't agree to pay £750m without having the worst case scenario covered.

shadowcomplex · 19-08-2014 01:27PM

I reckon this is the team Lvg wants

de Gea

Raf

Evans --benaita

shaw

Herrera

strootman

Cuadrado

mata

dimaria

Rvp or Rooney

kryogen · 19-08-2014 01:28PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

id put more weight behind what he says, as opposed to you....but thanks anyway.

Im not asking you to put any weight in what I say, much like I place little stock in what you say the majority of the time so no need to thank me. I would however encourage you to use your eyes when you are at the games in amongst the real hardcore fans in the stretty, not with the other "morons" around the ground and decide for yourself what type of midfielder someone is or what role they have been given in the team. Maybe the view is obscured from there though as you did seem to miss a couple of years of shocking performances from Evra also

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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