Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

Your Airbag wrote: »

I've always had a soft spot for Kagawa and would like to see him get a good run of games as a number 10, which he hasn't had before.

He's got the pace Mata doesn't have and I don't think the rest of his games is too far off either. I could be wrong though.

I'd expect him to start the Carling Cup game, depending on how Mata plays this weekend he'll have a chance to stake his claim, Both him and Mata had solid pre season's.

Find the protest stuff a bit cringy myself as people have pointed out above, the debt issue is nearly resolved now and we will be debt free in a few years. The thing is we have spent more money than ever in the last 12 months and it has been spunked away. The £140m we have spent in the last 12 months could have been much better spent and as Gary Neville pointed out last night you could have got Bale, Cesc, Kroos and Luis for more or less what we have spent (granted not all may have come to Utd).

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The anti Glazer stuff since Saturday is embarrassing.

Getting all riled up after all the real damage has been done, and United are actually on the best financial footing they have been on in 10 years. Reports from most journos state that the money is there to be spent. A lot here will know I've bitched about the Glazers more than most, but I honestly don't think they are a problem anymore. Or, if they are, it is their blind spot with Woodward rather than anything else.

As the stats show, we have spent money in the last 2 years - Fellaini and Zaha are proving to be poor transfers, while I believe Shaw, Mata and Herrera will prove 100million well spent in the long run. I've no doubt, personally, that the Glazers are prepared to spend more this summer - I just believe it is Woodward that has proven to be the reason it isn't getting spent.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if LVG walked - he won't carry the can for failure this year because Woodward failed to deliver on any of LVGs targets.

Look, money in the bank ain't worth anything to the fans. Especially when you see the matchgoing fans spending more than ever on their "matchday experience" and you see the same glaring holes in the squad (worse now than this time last year due to Giggs, Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra going)
This as well when a new manager comes in, apparantly one of the best around, getting paid a lot of money but not having brought in one of his own players yet and a guy "in charge" of transfers who doesn't appear to be the best at that role currently.
The club allegedly have money and have had for years however all some fans see is a lack of investment in comparison to the clubs main rivals in the past five years and a serious lack of quality in those that have been invested in (in general)

And this against the backdrop of fans who have experienced unprecidented success over the years.

Is it any wonder there is a lot of dissatisfaction out there?
The club have not spent big in the past 5 seasons in relation to City and Chelsea. That surely is blatently obvious.

(I'd have been positive up until the past few weeks in general but the lack of movement in the market, the glaring holes in the squad and the major strengthening of the clubs rivals in the past few months alone are all concerning)

Another thing that kinda of annoys me this season is the fact that every club has been given a boost in money and instead of giving the fans a break on ticket prices, for a while a least, they're just adding to players wages or fees.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The anti Glazer stuff since Saturday is embarrassing.

Saturday was the tipping point, but even before the game Saturday things were not good. never seen Old Trafford so unmotivated and passionless before and during the game.

in terms of opposition supporters, United are the gift that keeps on giving right now, they must be loving it.

Anti glazer stuff is UNREAL.

They have sanctioned big spending ...not their fault it went on trash. They have stayed largely out of it...wrote the cheques and let the managers bring in who they want.

Absolute nonsense stuff from fans calling for them out.

kippy wrote: »

Look, money in the bank ain't work anything to the fans. Especially when you see the matchgoing fans spending more than ever on their "matchday experience" and you see the same glaring holes in the squad (worse now than this time last year due to Giggs, Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra going)
This as well when a new manager comes in, apparantly one of the best around, getting paid a lot of money but not having brought in one of his own players yet and a guy "in charge" of transfers who doesn't appear to be the best at that role currently.
The club allegedly have money and have had for years however all some fans see is a lack of investment in comparison to the clubs main rivals in the past five years and a serious lack of quality in those that have been invested in (in general)

And this against the backdrop of fans who have experienced unprecidented success over the years.

Is it any wonder there is a lot of dissatisfaction out there?
The club have not spent big in the past 5 seasons in relation to City and Chelsea. That surely is blatently obvious.

(I'd have been positive up until the past few weeks in general but the lack of movement in the market, the glaring holes in the squad and the major strengthening of the clubs rivals in the past few months alone are all concerning)

Another thing that kinda of annoys me this season is the fact that every club has been given a boost in money and instead of giving the fans a break on ticket prices, for a while a least, they're just adding to players wages or fees.

As I have said, I have criticised the Glazers in the past.

I believe they have curtailed investment in the side, in the past.

I do not, however, believe they have been the problem recently.

We were in for Ronaldo, Bale and Fabregas last summer - they were fine with the money needed, Woodward failed to deliver.

We got Mata in January for 40million, they were fine with that money.

We have already signed Shaw and Herrera - while being in for Di Maria, Vidal, Hummels, Vermaelen, Rojo and probably some others. Again, they haven't stopped the big money moves - the reason we haven't got anyone else in, bar likely Rojo - is Woodward's inability to close transfer deals where we aren't in a position of strength.

I'd love to see the back of the Glazers, but for me the facts are they are not the current issue holding the side back. Our inability to sign players is not because they won't release the funds.

If we had won vs Swansea, this protest wouldn't be happening. If we signed Vidal on Sunday, this protest stuff wouldn't be happening. It is only happening because people are pissed with the lack of transfers - not the 700million they have leached out on debt repayments and personal payments, not the increases in ticket prices, not the gouging of supporters - the transfers and thats fecking it. If Moyes was still in charge I'd say the protest would be about Moyes and not the Glazers too.

It is, imo, mostly spoilt fans venting in (imo) the wrong direction.

bangkok wrote: »

So sack van gaal?

Better wait until he actually gets around to picking somebody. Next year maybe at this rate.

TheDoc wrote: »

Anti glazer stuff is UNREAL.

They have sanctioned big spending ...not their fault it went on trash. They have stayed largely out of it...wrote the cheques and let the managers bring in who they want.

Absolute nonsense stuff from fans calling for them out.

You have absolutely no idea if this is the case however.
Fergie is still working for the club, he's hardly going to spill the beans on what really goes on.
Moyes is subject to an NDA at present so he won't say much.
LvG is only at the club a wet week yet - but hopefully if there is an issue he will highlight it.

The "trash" it was spent on was generally speculative young player with promise.
In the past five years, Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Powell, Buttner, Zaha, De Gea, Hernandez, Bebe, Obertan, Diof and Pogba have all come to the club.
Granted Valencia, Young, Mata, Fellani have also come to the club (amongst others)
Do you not think there has been a policy of buying very young (but paying plenty for them) in Gills last few years at the club?
Most of those players haven't worked out for one reason or another.

Then you look at City in the same period:
Toure, Nasri, Clichy, Silva, Milner, Navas, Fernandinho, Fernando. (Amongst many others)
Chelsea have done similiar with ready made first team players in positions they needed players in.

They both spend hundreds of millions more than United.
That, unfortunately is what it takes as you can afford to buy better players, first team players as well as make a lot of mistakes.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its a hard one to call, i think most people also realise that the players are not good enough to play for our club. would be interesting to see where the blame lies, i would put our current awful squad with the following in order

1 - Fergie.
2 - Woodward (for debacles of last 14 months)
3 - the players themselves.
4 - the glazers.



this is not true, problems were brewing before Swansea. we could have scrapped a win there and the lack of signings would still have people in uproar today.

Yeah Fergie has to take the blame for the imbalance and ageing key players in the squad. For all the talk you used hear of Gill and himself wanting to handover a well built squad whenever the time would come, they really didn't.

Imo if we had won there would have been a sizeable amount of fans urging everyone to remain positive and that the squad was only 1 maybe 2 signings away from being great, particularly since the other big clubs didn't win in convincing terms either at the weekend.

Glazers: "Hey guys, here's that money you wanted to spend on the team."

MUFC: "Cheers lads."

Fans: "Why have we not spent that money the Glazers gave us on talented players?"

Woodward: "KEEP CALM AND BUY PLAYERS *laughs*"

Fans: "GLAZERS OUT"

:rolleyes: