Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

kryogen · 18-08-2014 02:02PM

Coat22 wrote: »

We may have better attacking options than them but overall I think they have a stronger pool to choose from.

But you are right - first XI is the immediate issue for us

Fair enough, I would disagree on the squads but its not that important

Adamocovic · 18-08-2014 02:03PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

http://www.football-italia.net/54518/man-utd-preparing-cuadrado-bid

All these days ManUtd are preparing the bid, now Fiorentina are preparing to receive the bid. At this rate we can sign him in 3-4 years..

Preparing to receive a bid? Jaysus they'll write any story ha

Adamcp898 · 18-08-2014 02:04PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

http://www.football-italia.net/54518/man-utd-preparing-cuadrado-bid

All these days ManUtd are preparing the bid, now Fiorentina are preparing to receive the bid. At this rate we can sign him in 3-4 years..

I just have an image now of the Fiorentina board of directors all being called in in order to huddle around the fax machine in preparation for ''The Bid''.

Cantstandsya · 18-08-2014 02:04PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

http://www.football-italia.net/54518/man-utd-preparing-cuadrado-bid

All these days ManUtd are preparing the bid, now Fiorentina are preparing to receive the bid. At this rate we can sign him in 3-4 years..

How does one "prepare to receive a bid"?

Maybe they take the "No Junk Mail!" notice off their post box?

Giggsy11 · 18-08-2014 02:04PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

The concept of 'preparing a bid' is much derided, but now they also need to 'prepare to receive a bid'? What does that entail? Making sure there's paper and toner in the printer, or something more involved?

Making sure the fax machine is not broken? :pac:

Coat22 · 18-08-2014 02:05PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

A gross mis representation.

He signed Mata, Herrera and Shaw. Chelsea were runored to be after Shaw and he got Mata agreed so quickly no other team had the option.

His first ssummer with Moyes he did not get Cesc or Thiago because Barca were not ready to offload Cesc and Thiago wanted Bayern.

Apparently there was a lot of headway made with Kross until LVG called it off and LVG showed no interest in Cesc this summer.

But of those 3:

Mata – Chelsea wanted rid, suited them to get rid to United as they probably don’t see them as a rival in the short term. Got £37M for Mata and spent £30 for Fabregas – who got the better deal?

Shaw – United in fairness played this one well. Out muscled Chelsea knowing the constraints FFP put them under. A good win for Woodward.

Herrara – could turn out to be great but hardly a world class signing.

If Moyes is to be believed they spent most of last summer chasing Ronaldo, Bale and Fabregas – the first 2 were a complete waste of time that were never going to happen and Fabregas always looked unlikely too.

Just hope Woodward doesn’t spend the next 2 weeks chasing Messi only to have to pay £30M to sign Vlaar on deadline day.

Your Airbag · 18-08-2014 02:06PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Here's Nani's involvement from Saturday.

lol at saying he did nothing.

As a response to someone saying Nani did nothing, this video is a good reply. He worked very hard.

Thats one context to summarise a viewing.

The other context is thaat in that video Nani operated as a winger for 45 mins, in that time he roughly did the following

3-4 crosses, two of which were poor and were cut out, all of the crosses came to nothing.
1 good pass into but Rooneys feet who controlled it well and almost got a shot off.
Was dispossessed twice.
Made a good run from his own box to the opposition bix and laid it off
Made a few tackles, mostly good.
A couple of good side to side runs ending with passes.

Lots of graft but a massive lack of qaulity. If you watch it from an is he good enough for UTD perspective then you'd have to say no.

Maximus Alexander · 18-08-2014 02:06PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

I just have an image now of the Fiorentina board of directors all being called in in order to huddle around the fax machine in preparation for ''The Bid''.

They're all around the fax machine, they've checked the ink, filled the paper tray, made sure it's plugged in, straightened their ties and:

Pro. F · 18-08-2014 02:08PM

"Preparing a bid" and "preparing to receive a bid" both come from papers getting the most out of their gossip over a period of time. It's got nothing to do with how any club conducts their transfers imo.

kryogen · 18-08-2014 02:11PM

Coat22 wrote: »

But of those 3:

Mata – Chelsea wanted rid, suited them to get rid to United as they probably don’t see them as a rival in the short term. Got £37M for Mata and spent £30 for Fabregas – who got the better deal?

Shaw – United in fairness played this one well. Out muscled Chelsea knowing the constraints FFP put them under. A good win for Woodward.

Herrara – could turn out to be great but hardly a world class signing.

If Moyes is to be believed they spent most of last summer chasing Ronaldo, Bale and Fabregas – the first 2 were a complete waste of time that were never going to happen and Fabregas always looked unlikely too.

Just hope Woodward doesn’t spend the next 2 weeks chasing Messi only to have to pay £30M to sign Vlaar on deadline day.

Why? Like why do you compare the Mata and Fabregas transfers, sure why not say sold Luiz for 50 and bought Cesc for 30 wowzers thats deadly

You are not the first I have seen do it, I just dont understand it

Coat22 · 18-08-2014 02:11PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

http://www.football-italia.net/54518/man-utd-preparing-cuadrado-bid

All these days ManUtd are preparing the bid, now Fiorentina are preparing to receive the bid. At this rate we can sign him in 3-4 years..

"Everybody has to stay until after 4 o'clock today. If the bid hasn't come in by 6 we'll organise pizzas"

Your Airbag · 18-08-2014 02:12PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Ha, thats a gross misrepresentation.

He got Mata so quickly because no other team wanted the option.

Mata is world class, or considered so. Lots of rumors were flaoting around that Jose didn't want him. This was is a January window. Utd got him, if we didn't another top club would have or went for him in the summer.

Coat22 wrote: »

But of those 3:

Mata – Chelsea wanted rid, suited them to get rid to United as they probably don’t see them as a rival in the short term. Got £37M for Mata and spent £30 for Fabregas – who got the better deal?

Shaw – United in fairness played this one well. Out muscled Chelsea knowing the constraints FFP put them under. A good win for Woodward.

Herrara – could turn out to be great but hardly a world class signing.

If Moyes is to be believed they spent most of last summer chasing Ronaldo, Bale and Fabregas – the first 2 were a complete waste of time that were never going to happen and Fabregas always looked unlikely too.

Just hope Woodward doesn’t spend the next 2 weeks chasing Messi only to have to pay £30M to sign Vlaar on deadline day.

See above about Mata.

Herrera was considered one of the top young talents in Spain. Comparisons with Inesta etc, it remains to be seen what he can do but its not a shabby deal.

Giggsy11 · 18-08-2014 02:12PM

Pro. F wrote: »

"Preparing a bid" and "preparing to receive a bid" both come from papers getting the most out of their gossip over a period of time. It's got nothing to do with how any club conducts their transfers imo.

I don't think anyone really believe all these "preparing bid" nonsense and no one can even explain what exactly it means.

FutureGuy · 18-08-2014 02:12PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

I just have an image now of the Fiorentina board of directors all being called in in order to huddle around the fax machine in preparation for ''The Bid''.

Boardroom: Napoli

Director 1: Manchester United bid imminent.
Director 2: Imminent, this is the word they used, yes?
Director 1: Yes, imminent.
Director 2: Please make sure the fax is working next month so we are prepared.

Coat22 · 18-08-2014 02:13PM

kryogen wrote: »

Why? Like why do you compare the Mata and Fabregas transfers, sure why not say sold Luiz for 50 and bought Cesc for 30 wowzers thats deadly

You are not the first I have seen do it, I just dont understand it

Well probably because both Mata and Fabregas are midfielders whereas Luiz is a defender?
:rolleyes:

Giggsy11 · 18-08-2014 02:15PM

Btw, Sevilla signed Ever Banega for just 2 Million. He is inconsistent but when on form very good player.

Maximus Alexander · 18-08-2014 02:17PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I don't think anyone really believe all these "preparing bid" nonsense and no one can even explain what exactly it means.

The thing is, at least when they're 'preparing a bid' you can imagine or assume that each prospective deal is bespoke and that you'd need to get a solicitor to write up a proposal with lots of different clauses, performance related add-ons and so forth. You can imagine that might be a thing.

But 'preparing to receive'? Seriously newspapers, come on, give us some fecking credit.

Right, that's my last post on that topic. :pac:

Adamocovic · 18-08-2014 02:17PM

Maybe thats why we haven't signed anyone in a while, other teams haven't prepared their fax machines!! God dammit!

twam2008 · 18-08-2014 02:21PM

Oh come on, we spent all of last Summer trying to get Fabregas, gave up and then bought Mata in January and Jose snaps up Fabregas with ease, Mata is an excellent player but Fabregas is better.

J. Marston · 18-08-2014 02:24PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Maybe thats why we haven't signed anyone in a while, other teams haven't prepared their fax machines!! God dammit!

Send the ravens.

FutureGuy · 18-08-2014 02:24PM

twam2008 wrote: »

Oh come on, we spent all of last Summer trying to get Fabregas, gave up and then bought Mata in January and Jose snaps up Fabregas with ease, Mata is an excellent player but Fabregas is better.

Fabregas didn't want to play for us. Don't see the point of these posts. It's nothing to do with the club.

bangkok · 18-08-2014 02:25PM

Coat22 wrote: »

Well probably because both Mata and Fabregas are midfielders whereas Luiz is a defender?
:rolleyes:

classic....

Maximus Alexander · 18-08-2014 02:26PM

Coat22 wrote: »

Well probably because both Mata and Fabregas are midfielders whereas Luiz is a defender?
:rolleyes:

Luiz is a defender? Could have fooled me!

*Ba dum tish* :pac:

Mitch Connor · 18-08-2014 02:27PM

Daniel Taylor saying we are pushing hard for Di Maria. Didn't name drop any other targets bar saying we are NOT in for Benatia.

Very worrying times - while I'd like Di Maria at United I would (a) wonder where/how he would fit in to the current broken squad and (b) worry he would be a paper over the cracks signing - as I believe Mata and RVP were (personal opinion).

twam2008 · 18-08-2014 02:27PM

The point is the people we send to sign the players aren't getting the job done, we spend all summer trying to sign players and two weeks to go have done feck all. If we'd put in a proper bid for Fabregas and got him last summer, last season could have been very different.

18-08-2014 02:29PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

As a response to someone saying Nani did nothing, this video is a good reply. He worked very hard.

Thats one context to summarise a viewing.

The other context is thaat in that video Nani operated as a winger for 45 mins, in that time he roughly did the following

3-4 crosses, two of which were poor and were cut out, all of the crosses came to nothing.

1 good pass into but Rooneys feet who controlled it well and almost got a shot off.

Was dispossessed twice.

Made a good run from his own box to the opposition bix and laid it off

Made a few tackles, mostly good.

A couple of good side to side runs ending with passes.

Lots of graft but a massive lack of qaulity. If you watch it from an is he good enough for UTD perspective then you'd have to say no.

What did you think of Januzaj's performance just so I can judge the scale you are using here? Nani was the only player with his head screwed on when it hit the fan and looked like he had the composure to do something. The amount of times in that video he received bad passes is what should be getting criticism, some shambolic ones from Mata and Rooney.

Your Airbag · 18-08-2014 02:31PM

Liam O wrote: »

What did you think of Januzaj's performance just so I can judge the scale you are using here? Nani was the only player with his head screwed on when it hit the fan and looked like he had the composure to do something. The amount of times in that video he received bad passes is what should be getting criticism, some shambolic ones from Mata and Rooney.

Absoluley. Feel free to judge Januzaj on that scale. He did better.

Like I said Nani worked hard and grafted well. Quality of final delivery and attacking threat was nothing to get excited about.

Robson99 · 18-08-2014 02:31PM

All this talk about Di Maria and a 50 or 60m bid I would much rather see us go for Reus who could be the bargain of the summer if he leaves Dortmund. Also Subotic could be a much more acheivable signing than Hummels and may be better suited to our defence. I don't see a future for Kagawa irrespective of which formation we use as I see Adnan being given the chance to develop. Possible Kagawa going back to BD before deadline day

Maximus Alexander · 18-08-2014 02:33PM

twam2008 wrote: »

If we'd put in a proper bid for Fabregas and got him last summer, last season could have been very different.

There is no bid of any size that would have got Fabregas last summer.

"I would not leave even if they offered double my salary."

Pro. F · 18-08-2014 02:34PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

As a response to someone saying Nani did nothing, this video is a good reply. He worked very hard.

Thats one context to summarise a viewing.

The other context is thaat in that video Nani operated as a winger for 45 mins, in that time he roughly did the following

3-4 crosses, two of which were poor and were cut out, all of the crosses came to nothing.

1 good pass into but Rooneys feet who controlled it well and almost got a shot off.

Was dispossessed twice.

Made a good run from his own box to the opposition bix and laid it off

Made a few tackles, mostly good.

A couple of good side to side runs ending with passes.

Lots of graft but a massive lack of qaulity. If you watch it from an is he good enough for UTD perspective then you'd have to say no.

A 50% strike rate of good crosses to poor is fine for a winger at any club. I doesn't matter that nothing came of his good crosses, if he keeps putting them in at that rate then plenty will come of them over a proper sample size.

A couple of side to side runs and a couple of good penetrating runs along with a couple of dispossessions and a couple of link ups, again is fine for a winger at a top club.

I wouldn't call it a massive lack of quality myself at all. But, even if we were to agree that he only did okay and lacked quality, it was a 45 minute appearance in a struggling team in the first game of the season. Using that to arrive at the conclusion that he isn't good enough for the club is wrong.

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