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euroboom13 · 09-08-2014 06:41PM #1

I think a primary school would have a better disease spread prevention system then what we are witnessing .

Why are major nation ,repatriating infected victims!

Or is this another fear factor?

I don't believe governments are that stupid!

Harold Weiss · 10-08-2014 07:55AM

I suppose you could argue pharmaceutical companies stand to gain from a severe outbreak and of course, 1 or 2 companies in particular.

3 weeks ago Tekmira shares were approx. $10 each, now they're $23 because of their vaccine for Ebola which we don't even know is effective or not.

A 50% increase in share price on news of their vaccine.

ZMapp which is a "secret serum" given to 2x American doctors have since recovered from Ebola so Mapp BioPharma would be another company that stands to profit from this outbreak.

Apparently some folks working for CDC own a patent on Ebola strains.

The Tekmira Ebola Trade May Already Be Over

Even though both TKM Ebola and ZMapp haven't been extensively tested on humans, they will be used on humans infected with Ebola anyway.

10-08-2014 11:40AM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

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Even though both TKM Ebola and ZMapp haven't been extensively tested on humans, they will be used on humans infected with Ebola anyway.

How do you test a drug for humans without at some stage using it on them?

Harold Weiss · 10-08-2014 11:53AM

jh79 wrote: »

How do you test a drug for humans without at some stage using it on them?

Generally, all vaccines are required to undergo trials to establish safety and efficacy before being licensed for manufacture and widespread use.

What we see here is a vaccine being approved for use on humans before it's even been established it works safely and effectively.

Nothing wrong with that...is there?

10-08-2014 01:07PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Generally, all vaccines are required to undergo trials to establish safety and efficacy before being licensed for manufacture and widespread use.

What we see here is a vaccine being approved for use on humans before it's even been established it works safely and effectively.

Nothing wrong with that...is there?

Under these circumstances no.

What do you propose, wait 5-10 years ?

Harold Weiss · 10-08-2014 01:38PM

jh79 wrote: »

Under these circumstances no.

What do you propose, wait 5-10 years ?

Obviously going to be tested now on these infected victims in Africa but there's no guarantee they'll work.

There was really little to no effort imposing travel restrictions on countries affected by the outbreak but now they want to sell them vaccines for Ebola that chances are don't even work.

Will you be taking the vaccine if it's free?

10-08-2014 01:49PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Obviously going to be tested now on these infected victims in Africa but there's no guarantee they'll work.

There was really little to no effort imposing travel restrictions on countries affected by the outbreak but now they want to sell them vaccines for Ebola that chances are don't even work.

Will you be taking the vaccine if it's free?

If i was at risk , yes.

You would take your chances with the ebola if you were in an high risk area?

Harold Weiss · 10-08-2014 01:57PM

jh79 wrote: »

If i was at risk , yes.

You would take your chances with the ebola if you were in an high risk area?

It wouldn't have any chance of getting to Ireland if authorities imposed travel restrictions from affected areas until the outbreak was contained so if you ask me, TPTB are not taking the threat as seriously as media portrays it.

Why on earth are people surprised when outbreaks like this can't be contained while the authorities allow the free movement of people from affected areas?

Surely, prevention is better than cure when we don't even have a cure, no?

It's just asking for trouble but alas, we have the vaccine now so everything will be okay ....well, we don't know if it works yet or not but we have some test subjects in Africa who will try it out.

In the meantime, let's continue allowing free movement of people in and out of affected areas...great idea.

10-08-2014 02:22PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

It wouldn't have any chance of getting to Ireland if authorities imposed travel restrictions from affected areas until the outbreak was contained so if you ask me, TPTB are not taking the threat as seriously as media portrays it.

Why on earth are people surprised when outbreaks like this can't be contained while the authorities allow the free movement of people from affected areas?

Surely, prevention is better than cure when we don't even have a cure, no?

It's just asking for trouble but alas, we have the vaccine now so everything will be okay ....well, we don't know if it works yet or not but we have some test subjects in Africa who will try it out.

In the meantime, let's continue allowing free movement of people in and out of affected areas...great idea.

Have the government s of the countries involved the ability / resources to restrict movement?

10-08-2014 02:25PM

So would you be against the use of these drugs in the countries affected?

Harold Weiss · 10-08-2014 02:46PM

jh79 wrote: »

So would you be against the use of these drugs in the countries affected?

I never argued against deployment of anything that would help stop the spread of Ebola but there are plenty of other actions would help in the meantime.

Just simple steps like travel restrictions instead of travel advice. Isolating victims from exposure to the general public.

Authorities in most EU nations have merely advised against anyone traveling to affected areas but given the fact Ebola has no cure, anything less than a ban on traveling until the outbreak is brought under control would seem sensible.

Perhaps some think a ban is an overreaction?

If you're serious about stopping the spread of this virus that has no cure, a ban on travel to the affected areas for a limited time isn't that unreasonable to me.

Are authorities really that concerned about this virus? They don't appear to be when all they do is advise against traveling to affected areas.

Bear in mind, we don't know if these vaccines will even work so we shouldn't necessarily think everything will be okay.

Harold Weiss · 10-08-2014 03:07PM

Zambia bans travellers from countries hit by Ebola virus

"All delegates from any of the countries affected by Ebola virus disease are restricted from entering Zambia until further notice,"

Perfectly sensible to me for a virus that cannot be cured so why aren't the US and EU doing the same?

10-08-2014 03:24PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Zambia bans travellers from countries hit by Ebola virus

Perfectly sensible to me for a virus that cannot be cured so why aren't the US and EU doing the same?

How many of those affected or at risk could possibly afford to fly ? Poverty is a big factor here.

Harold Weiss · 10-08-2014 03:33PM

jh79 wrote: »

How many of those affected or at risk could possibly afford to fly ? Poverty is a big factor here.

Poverty might be a factor but there are plenty of health and charity volunteers in affected areas so it's only a matter of time before it reaches nations that have never had Ebola before.

According to WHO, a vaccine will be available in 2015 so you'll be able to take it along with your Flu vaccine

Ebola vaccine won't be ready until 2015, says WHO

Unfortunately, we'll just have to wait for someone to arrive in Ireland with it because I would like to try out the vaccine just to see if it works or not. :pac:

Torakx · 10-08-2014 03:47PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Poverty might be a factor but there are plenty of health and charity volunteers in affected areas so it's only a matter of time before it reaches nations that have never had Ebola before.

According to WHO, a vaccine will be available in 2015 so you'll be able to take it along with your Flu vaccine

Ebola vaccine won't be ready until 2015, says WHO

Unfortunately, we'll just have to wait for someone to arrive in Ireland with it because I would like to try out the vaccine just to see if it works or not. :pac:

I'l be right behind you buddy. Don't look for me, just trust i'l be behind you somewhere lol

10-08-2014 03:54PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Poverty might be a factor but there are plenty of health and charity volunteers in affected areas so it's only a matter of time before it reaches nations that have never had Ebola before.

According to WHO, a vaccine will be available in 2015 so you'll be able to take it along with your Flu vaccine

Ebola vaccine won't be ready until 2015, says WHO

Unfortunately, we'll just have to wait for someone to arrive in Ireland with it because I would like to try out the vaccine just to see if it works or not. :pac:

Volunteers etc returning are being monitored and isolated from the general population and the virus needs exchange of bodily fluids?

weisses · 10-08-2014 03:58PM

Will book a week on the Blasket Islands as a precaution

Harold Weiss · 10-08-2014 04:07PM

I've got the The Andromeda Strain, Outbreak, Twelve Monkeys and Contagion in a playlist, browsing army surplus sites for an NBC suit.

10-08-2014 04:50PM

quote="Harold Weiss;91662228"]I've got the The Andromeda Strain, Outbreak, Twelve Monkeys and Contagion in a playlist, browsing army surplus sites for an NBC suit.

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Jude Law's character in Contagion was spot on.

enno99 · 10-08-2014 10:42PM

jh79 wrote: »

Volunteers etc returning are being monitored and isolated from the general population and the virus needs exchange of bodily fluids?

What about people that are not registered as volunteers workers who have left any of the countries before they showed symptoms

how bad is this going to get?

Ken Isaccs
Ken Isaacs, Vice President of Programs and Government Relations for Samaritan's Purse, testified before the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee concerning Ebola in West Africa.

http://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/ebola-crisis-in-west-africa/

“I don’t think it is just the United States,” Isaacs continued. “I think the international community has simply failed to recognize the seriousness of the disease, the magnitude of it and the lethality of it. They just haven’t got it, they haven’t seen it.”

“Our epidemiologists internally in our organization were predicting in April, ‘This is going to be a big deal, this is not a little deal this is not going to burn itself out.’ It is the first time it has been in West Africa" he said. "It is the first time it has been in three countries. It was on mainland ground transportation and it was moving into major metropolitan areas,” he said, noting that before the disease was in remote villages, when now it is in cities with millions of people."

“If you read the Ministry of Health status reports coming out every day from Libera, I don’t mean to be dramatic, but it has an atmosphere of ‘Apocalypse Now’ in it,” he said, referring to bodies lying in the street and gangs threatening to burn down hospitals.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/07/LIVE-House-Special-Hearing-On-Ebola-Crisis-In-Africa

Video
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4506065/kenney-isaacs

11-08-2014 09:33AM

So what is the conspiracy?

Torakx · 11-08-2014 01:27PM

Did you read the first post? It's right there.

11-08-2014 03:08PM

euroboom13 wrote: »

I think a primary school would have a better disease spread prevention system then what we are witnessing .

Why are major nation ,repatriating infected victims!

Or is this another fear factor?

I don't believe governments are that stupid!

Because it requires the exchange of bodily fluids to spread making it easier to manage.

Harold Weiss · 11-08-2014 03:24PM

jh79 wrote: »

Because it requires the exchange of bodily fluids to spread making it easier to manage.

Are you suggesting it's okay for people with Ebola to travel freely?

MadYaker · 11-08-2014 03:56PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Are you suggesting it's okay for people with Ebola to travel freely?

No it isn't ok. But lets have a bit of realism here. Any western health workers that are returning home from affected areas are carefully monitored for the disease. Also unless the disease is in its early stages chances are they would be too sick to travel. And I don't think its worth worrying about people who live in the affected communities travelling as they are mostly too poor.

The chances of this disease killing a more than a few people in a first world country are practically 0 for reasons that are obvious if you do a little bit of research.

Harold Weiss · 11-08-2014 06:04PM

MadYaker wrote: »

No it isn't ok. But lets have a bit of realism here. Any western health workers that are returning home from affected areas are carefully monitored for the disease. Also unless the disease is in its early stages chances are they would be too sick to travel. And I don't think its worth worrying about people who live in the affected communities travelling as they are mostly too poor.

The chances of this disease killing a more than a few people in a first world country are practically 0 for reasons that are obvious if you do a little bit of research.

I already know all this.

Any other questions there, jh79 or are you happy now? :pac:

11-08-2014 08:49PM

Harold Weiss wrote: »

I already know all this.

Any other questions there, jh79 or are you happy now? :pac:

If you already know all this why do you believe there is a conspiracy behind the lack of a travel ban?

Harold Weiss · 11-08-2014 09:17PM

jh79 wrote: »

If you already know all this why do you believe there is a conspiracy behind the lack of a travel ban?

You've totally lost me.

I hate it when people think for me.

Torakx · 11-08-2014 09:30PM

MadYaker wrote: »

No it isn't ok. But lets have a bit of realism here. Any western health workers that are returning home from affected areas are carefully monitored for the disease. Also unless the disease is in its early stages chances are they would be too sick to travel. And I don't think its worth worrying about people who live in the affected communities travelling as they are mostly too poor.

The chances of this disease killing a more than a few people in a first world country are practically 0 for reasons that are obvious if you do a little bit of research.

If it can be done in a few clicks of a keyboard could you briefly tellme why this is so?
I presumed it acted a fair bit like a flu virus.

enno99 · 12-08-2014 10:55AM

jh79 wrote: »

Because it requires the exchange of bodily fluids to spread making it easier to manage.

Now, the wards are empty in the principal institution fighting the disease. Ebola stalks the city, claiming lives every day, but patients have fled the hospital’s long, narrow buildings, which sit silent and echoing in the fading light. Few people are taking any chances by coming here.

“Don’t touch the walls!” a Western medical technician yelled out. “Totally infected.”

Some Ebola patients still die at the hospital, perhaps four per day, in the tentlike temporary isolation ward at the back of the muddy grounds. But just as many, if not more, are dying in the city and neighboring villages, greatly increasing the risk of spreading the disease and undermining international efforts to halt the epidemic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/africa/dont-touch-the-walls-ebola-fears-infect-hospital.html?&_r=2

Strange statement for someone in the know to make then

12-08-2014 11:36AM

enno99 wrote: »

Now, the wards are empty in the principal institution fighting the disease. Ebola stalks the city, claiming lives every day, but patients have fled the hospital’s long, narrow buildings, which sit silent and echoing in the fading light. Few people are taking any chances by coming here.

“Don’t touch the walls!” a Western medical technician yelled out. “Totally infected.”

Some Ebola patients still die at the hospital, perhaps four per day, in the tentlike temporary isolation ward at the back of the muddy grounds. But just as many, if not more, are dying in the city and neighboring villages, greatly increasing the risk of spreading the disease and undermining international efforts to halt the epidemic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/africa/dont-touch-the-walls-ebola-fears-infect-hospital.html?&_r=2

Strange statement for someone in the know to make then

The virus can survive in bodily fluid, for a few days, outside of the body such as on a wall, so not a strange statement at all.

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