Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

LorMal · 29-07-2014 05:08PM

Nodin wrote: »

Ok. What posters?

No don't.....have mercy...I will be asked for fingerprints next...

tayto lover · 29-07-2014 05:09PM

mad muffin wrote: »

No more ridicules comparing Israel to nazis.

The Nazi treatment of the Jews was mind-boggling and cruel.
The Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is mind-boggling and cruel.

Same difference then.

A Greedy Algorithm · 29-07-2014 05:09PM

Can i just ask one stupid question?

I've seen a few different TV stations have reporters within the strip. I thought it would of been hard to get in or out of Gaza especially now. Are they allowed to freely allowed to travel in and out to report?

Nodin · 29-07-2014 05:10PM

LorMal wrote: »

No don't.....have mercy...I will be asked for fingerprints next...

Lets try this from the start - you said

I didn't say that. I said many posters on here have been very reluctant to
condemn Hamas.

The question that provokes is obvious - what posters?

Mojoloco · 29-07-2014 05:11PM

WakeUp wrote: »

But that never happened did it. nor would it ever happen. you're speaking hypothetically about something that never happened nor will happen. you have some neck trying to involve the Irish people in justification of an Israeli rampage . Israeli politicians are partial to a bit of that too . the majority of you people attempting to defend the actions of the IDF are and have taken non coherent whataboutery type boll0x arguments to a whole new level. something new has been created. a whole new level of justifying destruction and murder.

I don't take sides in this conflict.

As the overall opinion here seems to be Hamas = Good, Israel = Bad

I'm asking what would be your opinion if the IRA were firing thousands of missiles into UK cities and from Irish civilian areas and using innocent women and children as cover ?

end of the road · 29-07-2014 05:11PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Of course Hamas.

They can't flee to Egypt because of Hamas. Egypt won't have them.

They can't flee to Jordan. Jordan expelled all Palestinians after Black September.

As you can see. The Palestinians have made themselves no favours aligning themselves with Hamas and before then the PLO.

israel is responsible for the blockade, get it right

35cent · 29-07-2014 05:11PM

Personally, I don't think Israel are trying to kill all the people of Gaza as the death toll would be much higher than it is. Also, while I don't see the point of Israel's bombardments (as it probably creates more Hamas militants than it kills), I don't know why Hamas think it's good to lob rockets into Israel. It just gives them a valid reason to bomb them.

Sadly both sides are caught in a spiral of retaliation and one side will have to hold back if they want free from it.

Nodin · 29-07-2014 05:11PM

Mojoloco wrote: »

I don't believe any line, either Hamas or Israel.

Then why does your wildly speculative question transplant the notion of missles being fired using "innocent women and children as cover"?

end of the road · 29-07-2014 05:12PM

mad muffin wrote: »

No they aren't.

yes they are

user2011 · 29-07-2014 05:14PM

Mojoloco wrote: »

I don't believe any line, either Hamas or Israel. I don't think its a good guys vs bad guys conflict and I must join in with the group think of condemning Israeli bombings while supporting or saying nothing about Hamas missiles.

What would be your opinion if the IRA were firing thousands of missiles into UK cities and from Irish civilian areas and using innocent women and children as cover ?

Hows about this, I go to your house and kick you out and when you try and get back in I'll call in the IDF to protect me and my new home...

This is what is happening over there, it's not all about Hamas firing rockets into Israel other stuff happens before rockets get fired. As has been discussed about and linked too already in the thread.

Nodin · 29-07-2014 05:14PM

Mojoloco wrote: »

I don't take sides in this conflict.

As the overall opinion here seems to be Hamas = Good, Israel = Bad

Actually if anything its Hamas = bad, Israel = far far worse. Israel was illegally colonising outside its borders nearly two decades before Hamas was even founded, has killed thousands of Palestinians over the years, made even more refugees, and faces not a single sanction.

Tail Docker · 29-07-2014 05:14PM

Mojoloco wrote: »

I think if the Irish government refused to do anything about the IRA launching thousands of missiles from civilian areas in the Irish republic into UK cities, there would be a military defence response from the UK.

Yeah, you missed the earlier section, the other lad was on that shift. During that lively and varied discussion, we discovered that Hamas had in fact been working their butts off to stop rocket attacks by other groups and had ceased shooting them since 2012 themselves. How's your burger?

Mojoloco · 29-07-2014 05:14PM

Nodin wrote: »

Then why does your wildly speculative question transplant the notion of missles being fired using "innocent women and children as cover"?

Because they are. Just as Israelis are wrongly causing too may civilian deaths in response.

If the IRA were firing thousands of missiles into UK cities from the Irish Republic, what would be your opinion of that ?

end of the road · 29-07-2014 05:15PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Israel is responsible for keeping the borders around Gaza sealed tight, thus preventing Hamas militants from blowing themselves up on Israeli buses and restocking their classroom bunkers with more rockets. It is entirely an Israeli policy to keep those borders tightly secured.

This is a tragedy, because it means that the people of Gaza cannot live free and productive lives.

so israel is responsible fully, yet even with the blockade they haven't prevented militants from blowing themselves up on Israeli buses because that operation was canceled by hamas and other groups themselves before the blockade, nor has it prevented them from supposibly restocking their classroom bunkers with rockets because only israel says they use schools yet provides no proof of it

WakeUp · 29-07-2014 05:15PM

Mojoloco wrote: »

I don't take sides in this conflict.

As the overall opinion here seems to be Hamas = Good, Israel = Bad

I'm asking what would be your opinion if the IRA were firing thousands of missiles into UK cities and from Irish civilian areas and using innocent women and children as cover ?

You're engaging in pointless whataboutery. stop attempting to involve my people and my country in some sort of a defence that exists in your mind of what the Israeli army is doing. stop it.

Donkey Oaty · 29-07-2014 05:15PM

A Greedy Algorithm wrote: »

Can i just ask one stupid question?

I've seen a few different TV stations have reporters within the strip. I thought it would of been hard to get in or out of Gaza especially now. Are they allowed to freely allowed to travel in and out to report?

They need Israeli permission, as far as I know.

Mojoloco · 29-07-2014 05:16PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

Yeah, you missed the earlier section, the other lad was on that shift. During that lively and varied discussion, we discovered that Hamas had in fact been working their butts off to stop rocket attacks by other groups and had ceased shooting them since 2012 themselves. How's your burger?

I was not aware it was not Hamas. Who are firing the the thousands of rockets, and why are Hamas not stopping them, that would be like the Irish government allowing the IRA to launch thousands of missiles against UK cities.

Mojoloco · 29-07-2014 05:17PM

WakeUp wrote: »

You're engaging in pointless whataboutery. stop attempting to involve my people and my country in some sort of a defence that exists in your mind of what the Israeli army is doing. stop it.

I'm asking a question, what country are you from ?

Manic Moran · 29-07-2014 05:18PM

twowheelsgood wrote: »

I don’t think they are deliberately trying to kill civilians but they seem wholly indifferent to the fact that this will inevitably be be a secondary effect of their strikes.

Surely an army, of any kind, should seek to minimise civilian casualties? Do you think the IDF are doing this?

They're having a bit of a war in one of the most densely populated parts of the planet. In three weeks, less than 1,500 people have been killed. Only people who have absolutely no sense of perspective of what a war is like in a city will say that there is no evidence of restraint going on here, the levels of death and destruction that can come to a city if a military feels like pulling its full weight is evidently beyond the capacity of people to understand, especially if equipped with modern munitions such as the Israelis have.

By the way, my day job is as a military historian. Compared to city fights in the past, this is nothing. For example, the city of Minsk was about 85% destroyed by under 150 relatively primitive aircraft in one single night in 1941, over 1,000 civilians killed. You really think the Israelis couldn't do the same if they didn't care?

Nodin · 29-07-2014 05:18PM

Mojoloco wrote: »

Because they are.

According to the IDF.

Mojoloco wrote: »

If the IRA were firing thousands of missiles into UK cities from the Irish Republic, what would be your opinion of that ?

I don't believe indiscriminate attacks of that nature would be justified.

end of the road · 29-07-2014 05:18PM

mad muffin wrote: »

The right to keep the Israeli citizens safe from terrorist attacks from with in Gaza.

The population of Gaza voted to have terrorist represent them.

the israelies voted to have terrorists represent them also, so you have no point

JC01 · 29-07-2014 05:19PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Read the post completely - I specifically referred to those who support settlement construction, not those who support Israel generally. So in fact yes, it is indeed like asking why some who are pro Palestinian support terrorists, and is a valid question.

If you don't support settlement construction in post 1967 territories, then my statement doesn't apply to you. If you do, then why?

Apologies, I was skimming through posts last night and took yours up wrong. To be honest I still havnt made my mind up fully on the settlement issue, there are lots of different ways too look at it and I think that debate would need a whole separate thread. My response to you was a bit of an outburst after seeing countless people spewing out utter crap about anyone who identifies themselves as even remotely pro-Isreali, as I would in the context of the current conflict and state of affairs.

Mojoloco · 29-07-2014 05:20PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

They're having a bit of a war in one of the most densely populated parts of the planet. In three weeks, less than 1,500 people have been killed. Only people who have absolutely no sense of perspective of what a war is like in a city will say that there is no evidence of restraint going on here, the levels of death and destruction that can come to a city if a military feels like pulling its full weight is evidently beyond the capacity of people to understand, especially if equipped with modern munitions such as the Israelis have.

By the way, my day job is as a military historian. Compared to city fights in the past, this is nothing. For example, the city of Minsk was about 85% destroyed by under 150 relatively primitive aircraft in one single night in 1941, over 1,000 civilians killed. You really think the Israelis couldn't do the same if they didn't care?

As a neutral military opinion, can I ask what in your opinion, would the UK do if the IRA were launching thousands of missiles into UK cities from civilian areas in the Irish Republic, and the Irish government were incapable of responding ?

tayto lover · 29-07-2014 05:23PM

mad muffin wrote: »

The right to keep the Israeli citizens safe from terrorist attacks from with in Gaza.

The population of Gaza voted to have terrorist represent them.

Have you asked yourself why?
Do you think it's because their neighbours have been very nice to them over the years?

By the way the IDF is the biggest terrorist army in the world. Murderers.

JC01 · 29-07-2014 05:24PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The Nazi treatment of the Jews was mind-boggling and cruel.
The Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is mind-boggling and cruel.

Same difference then.

Honestly you strike me as an angry 14-year old, that isn't meant to sound derogatory but Jesus Christ you honestly havnt a clue. Go educate yourself instead of yapping out mindless crap on here.

Donkey Oaty · 29-07-2014 05:25PM

Mojoloco wrote: »

As a neutral military opinion, can I ask what in your opinion, would the UK do if the IRA were launching thousands of missiles into UK cities from civilian areas in the Irish Republic, and the Irish government were incapable of responding ?

Cooperate with the Irish authorities to help stop them, presumably. This would include sharing intelligence and providing military assistance if it was welcomed by the Irish Army/AGS - which in the scenario you outline, it definitely would be.

user2011 · 29-07-2014 05:26PM

Mojoloco wrote: »

As a neutral military opinion, can I ask what in your opinion, would the UK do if the IRA were launching thousands of missiles into UK cities from civilian areas in the Irish Republic, and the Irish government were incapable of responding ?

I'll ask again, as a so called neutral.

Hows about this, I go to your house and kick you out and when you try and get back in I'll call in the IDF to protect me and my new home...

This is what is happening over there, it's not all about Hamas firing rockets into Israel other stuff happens before rockets get fired. As has been discussed about and linked too already in the thread.

Mojoloco · 29-07-2014 05:26PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Cooperate with the Irish authorities to help stop them, presumably. This would include sharing intelligence and providing military assistance if it was welcomed by the Irish Army/AGS - which in the scenario you outline, it definitely would be.

But if the Irish government had already demonstrated they were neither willing or capable ?

Tail Docker · 29-07-2014 05:27PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

They're having a bit of a war in one of the most densely populated parts of the planet. In three weeks, less than 1,500 people have been killed. Only people who have absolutely no sense of perspective of what a war is like in a city will say that there is no evidence of restraint going on here, the levels of death and destruction that can come to a city if a military feels like pulling its full weight is evidently beyond the capacity of people to understand, especially if equipped with modern munitions such as the Israelis have.

By the way, my day job is as a military historian. Compared to city fights in the past, this is nothing. For example, the city of Minsk was about 85% destroyed by under 150 relatively primitive aircraft in one single night in 1941, over 1,000 civilians killed. You really think the Israelis couldn't do the same if they didn't care?

Define a "fight". If I go next door and batter old Mr Murphy round his sitting room because one of his nephews threw a rock at my car, is that "a fight"? Is that proportional? Am I indeed an avenger for my family? Or am I a douche?

tayto lover · 29-07-2014 05:28PM

JC01 wrote: »

Honestly you strike me as an angry 14-year old, that isn't meant to sound derogatory but Jesus Christ you honestly havnt a clue. Go educate yourself instead of yapping out mindless crap on here.

Cruelty has no bounds. The truth hurts obviously.

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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