Fury v Chisora II

walshb · 01-04-2014 03:20PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

I think your a little harsh on fury, let's remember that he wasted almost a year waiting for the biggest dodge of them all Haye. He's only 25 and he's had his fair share of tough fights.
Wilder is full of ****e imo and some of his opponents have been absolute joke shops. As for price I don't think he'd last 5 rounds in the ring with Fury!

Fury's opponents haven't been great either.

FTA69 · 01-04-2014 03:58PM

walshb wrote: »

Fury's opponents haven't been great either.

Better than Wilder's by a good bit though.

Andrew Flexing · 01-04-2014 08:49PM

Re: Fury being Irish-the Brits can have him...and his annoying little cousin.

I think Chisora has improved since their last bout. Chisora could steal it with a big right over the top that he tried to nail Vitali with all night. I don't think Fury has the chin for it.

Would like to see Fury v Thompson (or even v Shannon Briggs if he is on the comeback) if he overcomes Chisora.

Henno30 · 02-04-2014 10:45PM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

Re: Fury being Irish-the Brits can have him...and his annoying little cousin.

You won't be saying that when he's ruling the heavyweight division with an iron fist.

Andrew Flexing · 02-04-2014 10:53PM

Henno30 wrote: »

You won't be saying that when he's ruling the heavyweight division with an iron fist.

I bet I will! Although more accurately, I would! as neither will ever rule the HW division.

Kess73 · 03-04-2014 11:14AM

Gorman700 wrote: »

Is he legitimately Irish?

He's definitely ducked Price, was offered the fight at least twice befor Price met Thompson. He has also been offered Wilder a number of times apparently. As far as I know he was offered either Pulev or Adamek too. Keeps ****ting on about chasing the Wlad fight and getting nowhere. IDIOT!

Born in England and raised there. Don't think he has ever even lived in Ireland.

His dad is from county Galway though, and one of his grandparents comes from Tipperary. Think his mother and other grandparents are British but am open to correction on that.

FTA69 · 03-04-2014 12:23PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Born in England and raised there. Don't think he has ever even lived in Ireland.

His dad is from county Galway though, and one of his grandparents comes from Tipperary. Think his mother and other grandparents are British but am open to correction on that.

National identity isn't limited to where you're born. He's an Irish Traveller. They aren't considered British over here at all and certainly don't consider themselves to be English in any way or form. Most of them over here still have Irish accents even.

Kess73 · 04-04-2014 11:00AM

FTA69 wrote: »

National identity isn't limited to where you're born. He's an Irish Traveller. They aren't considered British over here at all and certainly don't consider themselves to be English in any way or form. Most of them over here still have Irish accents even.

Never said it was. Would regard him as being like myself in that he can lay claim to a number of nationalities.

My birth cert says I am Irish born, but my accent says scouse, my passport says I am British, but I also have German citizenship. Hell if you want to then bring grandparents into it I can add Danish to the list.

Am not trying to knock Fury at all in terms of nationality though, and am sorry if it came across as such.

Mantis Toboggan · 03-07-2014 11:08PM

Not long to go now lads, what's the general consensus on this fight?

Crucial fight for both fighters. I just don't see any way that tyson fury loses this fight. He might even get a ko in the latter rounds.

Gorman700 · 03-07-2014 11:58PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Not long to go now lads, what's the general consensus on this fight?

Crucial fight for both fighters. I just don't see any way that tyson fury loses this fight. He might even get a ko in the latter rounds.

Really? He was put down hard by Cunningham recently and forearmed him pretty much to the stoppage. To give Chisora his dues, he's come up trumps since he stopped acting like a dick and started getting in shape.

Frankie Lee · 04-07-2014 12:46PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Born in England and raised there. Don't think he has ever even lived in Ireland.

His dad is from county Galway though, and one of his grandparents comes from Tipperary. Think his mother and other grandparents are British but am open to correction on that.

I might be wrong but I think his mother is of Romany descent.

supersean1999 · 04-07-2014 04:13PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Not long to go now lads, what's the general consensus on this fight?

Crucial fight for both fighters. I just don't see any way that tyson fury loses this fight. He might even get a ko in the latter rounds.

Im The otherway iv a feeling chisora will outwork him and Win on points.

barney4001 · 04-07-2014 07:48PM

have fury or chisora ever fought any of the top rated american heavies yet,I think a fit and focused Mike Perez would wipe the floor with the both of them

Andrew Flexing · 04-07-2014 11:43PM

I think Fury might fold under pressure from Chisora....if Chisora connects with one of those wild overhand rights I see Fury hitting the deck...

Are these guys really the best HW's the Brits have? Would love to see Shannon "The Canon" Briggs in with one of these.

bk2101 · 05-07-2014 08:15AM

Kess73 wrote: »

Born in England and raised there. Don't think he has ever even lived in Ireland.

His dad is from county Galway though, and one of his grandparents comes from Tipperary. Think his mother and other grandparents are British but am open to correction on that.

His maternal grandmother is meant to be from Tipperary. It's his maternal grandfather that's a Burton, and they're Romany gypsies I think. If he's three quarters Irish by blood that's more than good enough for me.

Rhys Essien · 05-07-2014 11:42AM

bk2101 wrote: »

His maternal grandmother is meant to be from Tipperary. It's his maternal grandfather that's a Burton, and they're Romany gypsies I think. If he's three quarters Irish by blood that's more than good enough for me.

So what you're saying is that he's a bit of a mongrel.:D

Gorman700 · 05-07-2014 01:40PM

Lads, he's as Irish as Tea and Crumpets with the queen, would ye come off it with oh his grandmothers gardener was Irish and apparently his parents are Irish bla bla bla. Bernard Dunne is Irish, Barry Mc Guigan is Irish, Wayne Mc Cullough is Irish, Steve Collins is Irish......see the trend here???

The chap is English, who cares?

bk2101 · 05-07-2014 01:50PM

Gorman700 wrote: »

Lads, he's as Irish as Tea and Crumpets with the queen, would ye come off it with oh his grandmothers gardener was Irish and apparently his parents are Irish bla bla bla. Bernard Dunne is Irish, Barry Mc Guigan is Irish, Wayne Mc Cullough is Irish, Steve Collins is Irish......see the trend here???

The chap is English, who cares?

He's pretty good, so I'm all for claiming him! He's looked very vulnerable at times with his defence, but there's no heavyweight his age or close to it around right now that's achieved what he's achieved so far. Also if his career keeps going good and he decides to take some of his fights to Ireland, that's good for Irish boxing!

Joeseph Balls · 11-07-2014 01:20PM

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I might be wrong but I think his mother is of Romany descent.

Yes but i believe she had a pint of guinness one night AND a bag of tayto.

gene_tunney · 11-07-2014 05:38PM

Fury is English. He has never lived in Ireland so how could he be Irish?

If I have a grandmother from Turkey does that make me Turkish if I'm born and raised in Ireland all my life?

The answer is no.

FTA69 · 11-07-2014 09:04PM

If myself and my old doll have a child in China will that child be totally and unequivocally Chinese with no Irish identity? No, of course it wouldn't. Your definition of identity and nationality is narrow minded and insulting.

Deiseboy01 · 12-07-2014 07:35AM

gene_tunney wrote: »

Fury is English. He has never lived in Ireland so how could he be Irish?

If I have a grandmother from Turkey does that make me Turkish if I'm born and raised in Ireland all my life?
The answer is no.

Not that simple. Two examples from my own extended family. On my side I've a first cousin who lives in the states and couldnt care less about Waterford. If asked his kids are American. My wife has cousins in Philly and NJ who are second or third generation yet travel to Mayo whenever possible, follow GAA and if asked are Irish. Its a personal choice in some regards allbeit legalities do impact.

Farmlife · 12-07-2014 11:04PM

I was over with Tyson last week and here's a bit of an interview i got

http://youtu.be/q6hz2_VLt94

FTA69 · 13-07-2014 01:04AM

Farmlife wrote: »

I was over with Tyson last week and here's a bit of an interview i got

http://youtu.be/q6hz2_VLt94

Brilliant, FairPlay. Fury's a legend.

barney4001 · 14-07-2014 08:06PM

fury and chisora are supposed to have a 10,000 pounds side bet on the outcome of their meeting

Mantis Toboggan · 14-07-2014 08:28PM

Good interview from the big fella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_HzW1glKBc

Mantis Toboggan · 14-07-2014 10:35PM

barney4001 wrote: »

fury and chisora are supposed to have a 10,000 pounds side bet on the outcome of their meeting

It's actually 100,000

walshb · 15-07-2014 07:54AM

FTA69 wrote: »

If myself and my old doll have a child in China will that child be totally and unequivocally Chinese with no Irish identity? No, of course it wouldn't. Your definition of identity and nationality is narrow minded and insulting.

Comparing China and Ireland to an England-Ireland scenario is off the mark. Physical likeness is also something to consider, and from my viewpoint we look nothing like oriental people. I'm assuming you and your doll are white Irish?

Fury is English. He may have some traces or connections to Ireland, but who doesn't?:)

FTA69 · 15-07-2014 11:16AM

walshb wrote: »

Comparing China and Ireland to an England-Ireland scenario is off the mark. Physical likeness is also something to consider, and from my viewpoint we look nothing like oriental people. I'm assuming you and your doll are white Irish?

Fury is English. He may have some traces or connections to Ireland, but who doesn't?:)

Nationality isn't determined by race alone Walsh. If the argument stands true in China then it stands true in English, the level of cross-assimilation may be different but the basic premise is the same.

By your logic Andy Lee is English but yet you've no bother claiming him as Irish. You can be part of the Irish nation without living in Ireland itself, a nation is about people and not residence on a given territory.

walshb · 15-07-2014 11:27AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Nationality isn't determined by race alone Walsh. If the argument stands true in China then it stands true in English, the level of cross-assimilation may be different but the basic premise is the same.

By your logic Andy Lee is English but yet you've no bother claiming him as Irish. You can be part of the Irish nation without living in Ireland itself, a nation is about people and not residence on a given territory.

You can go back and forward on this all day. Fury is English. Lee has more ties and claims to Ireland I would think. The lad boxed for us in Athens. He boxed in many senior championships. We can get caught up in individual cases till the cows come home.

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