Dublin Bus driver, "I'll run you over".

Scrappy600 · 04-06-2014 04:32PM

He puts himself in a lot more dangerous situations than is necessary and cycles straight into stuff he should have have the forward awareness to avoid simply to make a point of how terribly awful other people are. Doesnt ride defensively at all and seems happy to plow straight into an avoidable crash to prove a point Pain in the a**e to watch and listen to on youtube to be honest.

CramCycle · 04-06-2014 04:32PM

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

If you look in the background when the cyclist is talking to the driver, a bus stop (with waiting passenger) is in the background. He'd have to cross the cycle lane to reach the footpath. It's the crazy system where the lightest and heaviest vehicles on the road share the same space - but it's not obvious how it could be done better.

With the number of stops would a cycle lane to the right of the bus lane make more sense? Personally I think that no cycle lane makes the most sense as the larger vehicle must recognise the bike in its lane as a form of traffic (it should anyway but one step at a time), it would hopefully discourage undertaking as well.

LennoxR · 04-06-2014 04:35PM

This trend of filming your bike commute and looking for confrontations is one of the most obnoxious cycling phenomena of recent years.

I commute by bike and it's mostly completely uneventful and boring. Yes you sometimes have scary incidents but just get bloody well on with it, don't be posting on youtube and playing the victim.

Now all that said the driver's reaction here was out of order. He's essentially threatening to kill the guy.

happytramp · 04-06-2014 04:45PM

LennoxR wrote: »

Now all that said the driver's reaction here was out of order. He's essentially threatening to kill the guy.

Don't think so. He's basically implying that's what will eventually happen if the cyclist continues to cycle like that (pulling out suddenly in front of the bus to talk to the driver, etc). The cyclist makes quite a painful attempt to get the driver to threaten him, which he semi/sort of does in a confused way.

And I'll join the growing consensus that.... Driver = Dangerous, Cyclist = Twat

Oldlegs · 04-06-2014 04:48PM

LennoxR wrote: »

Now all that said the driver's reaction here was out of order. He's essentially threatening to kill the guy.

Not sure where you get that at all.
1:48 Driver clearly says - "If you keep doing what you are doing you definitely (will die)". That is not a threat, it is a clear attempt to try to get the Cyclist to reconsider his cycling habits.

That then gets followed up with ...

1:55 Cyclist clearly telling the driver "F*ck You, ..." before heading on between two lines of traffic (buses and cars) along the solid white line.

IMO - Driver should not have crossed the white line BUT he was never aggressive or threatening.
Cyclist was acting the dick, and his cycling behaviour was not in his own best interests, nor anyone else's.

LennoxR · 04-06-2014 04:48PM

happytramp wrote: »

And I'll join the growing consensus that.... Driver = Dangerous, Cyclist = Twat

Works for me.

That is not a threat, it is a clear attempt to try to get the Cyclist to reconsider his cycling habits.

That is to say the least a very charitable interpretation. What he says at 28 seconds is 'don't talk to me, I'll run you over no problem'. And let's be honest he should not be driving in the cycle lane. That is a threat.

Your man with the camera is a dope though.

PrettyBoy · 04-06-2014 04:58PM

Cyclist is a complete and utter idiot, clearly looking for trouble at every opportunity. The self-righteous prick will pick a fight with the wrong person one day, hopefully soon.

TonyStark · 04-06-2014 05:12PM

So cyclist basically approaches an known bus stop and doesn't anticipate movement of the bus across it to the bus bay.

Other cyclists have anticipated the bus and moved into the traffic lane to overtake the bus. Presumably others have sat behind the vehicle.

Bus gets jittery with unknown hazard to the right (possibly a cyclist) of it and veers slightly over into the cycle lane where our go pro hero is sitting in its blind spot.

At the end of the manoeuvre go pro manages just to overtake a slower cyclist in front of him with the bus. There wasn't much thought of the other cyclist.

cuppa · 04-06-2014 05:12PM

LennoxR wrote: »

Works for me.

That is to say the least a very charitable interpretation. What he says at 28 seconds is 'don't talk to me, I'll run you over no problem'. And let's be honest he should not be driving in the cycle lane. That is a threat.

Your man with the camera is a dope though.

You missed the "just go in front of me ill run you over no problem"

It is not a threat, he is saying to the cyclist if you swerve in front of a bus you will get run over.

And this is the problem with the video, the cyclist is saying he was threatened by the bus drive that he will run him over.. when he clearly is not..

Title of video should be, bus driver told me if I pull out in front of a bus I will get run over.

LennoxR · 04-06-2014 05:15PM

cuppa wrote: »

You missed the "just go in front of me ill run you over no problem"

It is not a threat, he is saying to the cyclist if you swerve in front of a bus you will get run over.

And this is the problem with the video, the cyclist is saying he was threatened by the bus drive that he will run him over.. when he clearly is not..

Title of video should be, bus driver told me if I pull out in front of a bus I will get run over.

To me, 'I'll run you over no problem', is absolutely a threat. It means I would have no problem in hitting you possibly killing if you do that.

It's quite different from the passive sentence 'you will get run over if you keep that sh*t up' that you are implying.

Dr Crippen · 04-06-2014 05:20PM

LennoxR wrote: »

To me, 'I'll run you over no problem', is absolutely a threat. It means I would have no problem in hitting you possibly killing if you do that.

It's quite different from the passive sentence 'you will get run over if you keep that sh*t up' that you are implying.

That's fairly dramatic, he meant don't be a gob****e and cycle out in front of a bus. Let's not forget he is dealing with a cyclist who has from previous evidence been cycling around with a chip on his shoulder, you only have to see his tweets to get a measure of the drama he radiates.

cuppa · 04-06-2014 05:20PM

well I guess you have to be a Dub to understand what he means

bucketybuck · 04-06-2014 05:24PM

Its interesting that the bus has cyclists passing it both on the left and on the right, and neither of them are in the wrong. Perhaps they should pick a side.

Dr Crippen · 04-06-2014 05:29PM

cuppa wrote: »

well I guess you have to be a Dub to understand what he means

Yeah exactly

Grimebox · 04-06-2014 05:43PM

cheerspal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MjkKSclIXk&list=UUCHxxO6YKuaq-66Yrx9kfuA

Why is he cycling in the middle of the road?

He's perfectly entitled to

blobbie · 04-06-2014 05:48PM

cuppa wrote: »

well I guess you have to be a Dub to understand what he means

I'm a Dub and to me it is 100% a threat - not a warning, not advice, simply a threat.

Both idiots - be interesting to see what, if any, action DB will take.

Rezident · 04-06-2014 06:05PM

Too many drivers in Dublin seem to HATE cyclists and some seem to be looking for an excuse to run them over. I don't believe that nobody has died in a situation like this, they just didn't have a camera.

noddy69 · 04-06-2014 06:06PM

This cyclist has a chip on his shoulder. He takes shots and gets in drivers faces as if he is on a quest to teach drivers what he perceives to be the rules of the road. In one video he starts blabbering to a taxi driver about being in the cycle box in front of traffic.....why? To get on you tube that's why. The driver just said he stopped late as the light changed...no issue.
He cycles in the middle of the road,whether he is entitled to as one person said or not it just isn't respectful to motorists, its about respect both ways and from his page he goes out of his way to make sure he gets the shots he wants.
I have been cycling for years and you would swear from his vids its a death trap out there.....it is if your a prick.

Any sane person would have put the brakes on, this hero decides to speed up the inside of a bus pulling in !
Yes the driver should have waited but this fella is a lunatic with a camera. Stunts like that get people killed.
He is lucky the driver did see him and if he had put the brakes on I might have more sympathy for him.

No comment on the bus driver.

con___manx1 · 04-06-2014 06:09PM

the bus driver was in the wrong but i wouldn't have cycled to the inside of that bus. you have to expect the unexpected on the road. I reckon even more so as a cyclist because you are the most vulnerable road user. A tap of a car and that's it dead or in bits. 4 cyclists killed in Ireland already this year.

monument · 04-06-2014 06:09PM

kona wrote: »

The cyclist goes looking for trouble on a constant basis, he even wears a gopro to capture it!!

Dublin Bus and Luas must be looking for looking for trouble on a constant basis, they have even put cameras all around their buses / trams to capture it!!!

TheQuietFella · 04-06-2014 06:24PM

To be honest I think the bus driver was trying to make allowances for the guy
who over took him & to be fair, he probably didn't see the guy coming up on the inside left
who in my view was looking for trouble. He in my view made an extra effort to get into trouble & I think the attitude of the cyclists is appalling & I'm both a cyclist & a bus driver.

Ronaldinho · 04-06-2014 06:31PM

My tuppence worth...
I don't know/use that stretch of road and I'm fairly lucky that the roads I do use in Dublin are pretty much bus/HGV free.
I do tend to cycle fairly defensively but I can't say for certain that I wouldn't have started to undertake the bus there given it wasn't indicating. So I'd have a lot of sympathy for him up to 0.09 in the clip.
BUT he should see what's happening by the time he get's level with the middle wheel of the bus and if he had any cop on would
surely have braked. Continuing on with half the cycle lane occupied by the bus was lunacy IMHO.

Does the fella in red have any right to be cycling up between two lanes of traffic like that? Seems just as dangerous or even more-so to me.
Outside the bike lane, with fast moving traffic both sides of him.

colm_mcm · 04-06-2014 06:38PM

Just wondering, do cyclists have to adhere to speed limits too?

Ninap · 04-06-2014 06:43PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

Just wondering, do cyclists have to adhere to speed limits too?

Yes, but pretty rare for a cyclist to exceed 50km, whereas most motorists do it on every single journey. Plus, most cycle lanes aren't suitable for riding in at above about 15km.

But back to the OP, my experience is that most Dublin Bus drivers are pretty ok and respectful towards cyclists; it's taxi drivers and other motorists that are the main problem. I'd like if taxi drivers had to do training on how to overtake cyclists safely before getting their license.

DirkVoodoo · 04-06-2014 06:44PM

Surprised by some comments here.

The guys on the right are clearly moving into the next lane to turn right.

The bus would appear to be pulling in to stop, except he only starts to indicate once the cyclist is alongside him. Defeats the purpose of indicating.

Yes, the cyclist seems to be aggressive. Does he throw himself into dangerous situations? Probably. Is he right? No.

However, the bottom line is that the driver's comments are completely out of line and actually a little scary. I got a nice close pass from the number 31 coming out of Howth village towards the summit on Monday. Nothing coming against him but he gave me no room. And for what? He was pulled in waiting for his shift to start at the top of the hill.

It's pretty shocking that someone can display this attitude. Of all the people on the roads, surely a bus driver has the least reason to suffer road rage? He's already at work, he's being paid to be there and he is driving one of the largest vehicles on the quays. I'm not going to wheel out the rape analogy, this is more akin to abuse by orderlies in old folks homes or teachers being nasty to pre-schoolers. They are clearly not suited to the job for which they have been hired.

Bus drivers should be pleasant, courteous and aware. Instead we seem to have a public transport system that attracts nasty (yes, I'm looking at you Mr.I-love-watching-people-run-for-the-bus-as-I-pull-away), angry people. Perhaps it's time for Dublin Bus to look at how they recruit drivers and how they reward them. Promotions based on courtesy and clean driving only?

Hail to the bus driver man, indeed.

Chips Lovell · 04-06-2014 06:55PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

Just wondering, do cyclists have to adhere to speed limits too?

No. Speed limits don't apply to bicycles.

kona · 04-06-2014 07:05PM

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Surprised by some comments here.

The guys on the right are clearly moving into the next lane to turn right.

The bus would appear to be pulling in to stop, except he only starts to indicate once the cyclist is alongside him. Defeats the purpose of indicating.

Yes, the cyclist seems to be aggressive. Does he throw himself into dangerous situations? Probably. Is he right? No.

However, the bottom line is that the driver's comments are completely out of line and actually a little scary. I got a nice close pass from the number 31 coming out of Howth village towards the summit on Monday. Nothing coming against him but he gave me no room. And for what? He was pulled in waiting for his shift to start at the top of the hill.

It's pretty shocking that someone can display this attitude. Of all the people on the roads, surely a bus driver has the least reason to suffer road rage? He's already at work, he's being paid to be there and he is driving one of the largest vehicles on the quays. I'm not going to wheel out the rape analogy, this is more akin to abuse by orderlies in old folks homes or teachers being nasty to pre-schoolers. They are clearly not suited to the job for which they have been hired.

Bus drivers should be pleasant, courteous and aware. Instead we seem to have a public transport system that attracts nasty (yes, I'm looking at you Mr.I-love-watching-people-run-for-the-bus-as-I-pull-away), angry people. Perhaps it's time for Dublin Bus to look at how they recruit drivers and how they reward them. Promotions based on courtesy and clean driving only?

Hail to the bus driver man, indeed.

I'd say they are nice people, then they started dealing with the public. My dear Jesus dealing with the public is a pain in the hole. You've to deal with junkies, Alcos, arseholes, cyclists like yer man etc and have to do it for hours a day, that's ontop of the pressure of possible negative equity, and god knows what personal problems.

This whole situation could have been avoided by some common sense, I've had people pull infront of me in cars, busses pull in etc, guess what? I take the line that is the safest and get the **** on with it. I don't point a camera in some drivers face and provoke a reaction, take his comments out of context and embark on a smear campaign. The cyclist is a utter utter wanker. I'd hate to see him set a precedent here and cost a man his job.

colm_mcm · 04-06-2014 07:07PM

Ninap wrote: »

Yes, but pretty rare for a cyclist to exceed 50km, whereas most motorists do it on every single journey. Plus, most cycle lanes aren't suitable for riding in at above about 15km.

But back to the OP, my experience is that most Dublin Bus drivers are pretty ok and respectful towards cyclists; it's taxi drivers and other motorists that are the main problem. I'd like if taxi drivers had to do training on how to overtake cyclists safely before getting their license.

Aren't the quays 30kmph?

Zyzz · 04-06-2014 07:10PM

Ninap wrote: »

Yes, but pretty rare for a cyclist to exceed 50km, whereas most motorists do it on every single journey. Plus, most cycle lanes aren't suitable for riding in at above about 15km.

But back to the OP, my experience is that most Dublin Bus drivers are pretty ok and respectful towards cyclists; it's taxi drivers and other motorists that are the main problem. I'd like if taxi drivers had to do training on how to overtake cyclists safely before getting their license.

Wrong, cyclists don't have to adhere to speed limits.

I, along with many others also hit 50km+ regularly?

Ninap · 04-06-2014 07:14PM

Zyzz wrote: »

Wrong, cyclists don't have to adhere to speed limits.

I, along with many others also hit 50km+ regularly?

My mistake - I didn't think the rules of the road distinguished between different road users. Congrats on getting up over 50km..

Dublin Bus driver, "I'll run you over".

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