Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

machiavellianme · 03-06-2014 06:55AM

simongurnick wrote: »

You probably have a Paul Stewart stuck in the back of a drawer too.

As long as it's not a Paul Konchesky!

jasonb · 03-06-2014 08:01AM

Ever since I was a kid, I've never got a name or number on the back of a jersey (of course, back then there were no names on the jerseys!). I still don't do it; players come and go, even legends, the club is the constant...

J.

Sappy404 · 03-06-2014 08:19AM

Portugese paper Record now saying we're looking at Lazar Markovic. Marca said something similar last week:

03-06-2014 08:29AM

jasonb wrote: »

Ever since I was a kid, I've never got a name or number on the back of a jersey (of course, back then there were no names on the jerseys!). I still don't do it; players come and go, even legends, the club is the constant...

J.

Same.

Never seen the appeal of it.

x43r0 · 03-06-2014 08:34AM

Sappy404 wrote: »

Portugese paper Record now saying we're looking at Lazar Markovic. Marca said something similar last week:

:pac:

Dickerty · 03-06-2014 08:46AM

So back to basics...

Lambert signed, good start, not a moneyball signing but a common sense one. Nice to see!
For Lallana, let's hope we hold firm on the fee. If they want silly money, they can get it from Spuds, after they sell Lamela to us.
For Moreno, all signs point to it happening, so let's hope it does. But I was watching some highlights from the last 2 seasons, and we forgot how good Enrique is in attack. Was involved in so many goals, linked great with Coutinho and Suarez down the left side, and scored a couple himself. Would be good to get him fit and have some competition.

8-10 · 03-06-2014 08:48AM

Dickerty wrote: »

So back to basics...

Lambert signed, good start, not a moneyball signing but a common sense one. Nice to see!

Why is Lambert not a moneyball signing?

gafferino · 03-06-2014 08:54AM

8-10 wrote: »

Why is Lambert not a moneyball signing?

Wont have a re-sale value.

mike65 · 03-06-2014 08:59AM

Moneyball is dead.

8-10 · 03-06-2014 09:00AM

gafferino wrote: »

Wont have a re-sale value.

I don't think that has anything to do with moneyball.

To me he looks just like that type of signing, undervalued at 4m based on his stats the last 2 years and cost of comparative players in his position

Agree to disagree

Dickerty · 03-06-2014 09:05AM

8-10 wrote: »

Why is Lambert not a moneyball signing?

Actually, maybe it is. The net cost of him over 2 seasons will be £4M + wages, probably less than most players would cost to perform over a similar period. So when you subtract the extra fee up front, and offset that against the lack of sell-on value, it all comes down to his contributions...

gafferino · 03-06-2014 09:07AM

8-10 wrote: »

I don't think that has anything to do with moneyball.

To me he looks just like that type of signing, undervalued at 4m based on his stats the last 2 years and cost of comparative players in his position

Agree to disagree

Yeah your right on that front but I think part of 'money ball' is increasing their value. Might be wrong...havent given it a lot of thought! :cool:

Dickerty · 03-06-2014 09:08AM

mike65 wrote: »

Moneyball is dead.

So are USRobotics as a modem manufacturer, yet here you are...

03-06-2014 09:14AM

Quckly weigh in on Lambert, its a good piece if business at 4 million. Gives you a plan B. Just don't see how he will fit in the starting 11. A sub option for sure.

Dickerty · 03-06-2014 09:15AM

gafferino wrote: »

Yeah your right on that front but I think part of 'money ball' is increasing their value. Might be wrong...havent given it a lot of thought! :cool:

Not really on increasing the value - it started in baseball where there are no transfer fees. But there is certainly a view with FSG that we should buy young and look to develop instead of buying established stars (Ilori, Alberto, Yesil, Borini, Coutinho). Sakho was a comprimise - young but already established.
But Lambert is something they have never done...

03-06-2014 09:15AM

Moneyball or no Moneyball Lambert makes more sense than splashing 8m or so on Aspas.

A very solid 3rd striker who is happy to sign knowing his chances could be limited enough.

Suarez
Sturridge
Lambert
Borini
Sterling
Coutinho

Nice collection of attackers at the club

8-10 · 03-06-2014 09:16AM

gafferino wrote: »

Yeah your right on that front but I think part of 'money ball' is increasing their value. Might be wrong...havent given it a lot of thought! :cool:

I think it's being mixed up with FSG, I would say that he's not a typical FSG-type signing as their track record shows a lot of what you mean: signing young underrated players and increasing their value. But moneyball is about sporting success with limited resources, not profitability. Using stats to bridge the gap to the teams with greater economic resources. Oftentimes the most undervalued players are the older veterans or long-term injured players

Dickerty · 03-06-2014 09:36AM

8-10 wrote: »

I think it's being mixed up with FSG, I would say that he's not a typical FSG-type signing as their track record shows a lot of what you mean: signing young underrated players and increasing their value. But moneyball is about sporting success with limited resources, not profitability. Using stats to bridge the gap to the teams with greater economic resources. Oftentimes the most undervalued players are the older veterans or long-term injured players

I am sure they were schooled on the impact of the likes of McAllister, Sheringham, Pirlo, Van Der Sar....

tibor · 03-06-2014 10:02AM

Gbear wrote: »

He had a very good season with Fiorentina.

He's clearly got talent. Bad injuries and walking into an absolute ****show meant it was always going to be tough for him here.

He came on after 15 mins when Montolivo got injured, then walked off injured after about 10 mins on the pitch. He'd touched the ball about 3 times. Complete sicknote.

Luckycharms_74 · 03-06-2014 10:28AM

Dickerty wrote: »

after they sell Lamela to us.

NO NO NO NO NO.
Have you seen a different player to the one I saw ?

ThunbergsAreGo · 03-06-2014 10:31AM

Vicxas wrote: »

If it makes you feel better I got 'Cole 10' on mine.

Kvarme

tok9 · 03-06-2014 10:32AM

Dickerty wrote: »

But Lambert is something they have never done...

I wouldn't say the signing of Kolo Toure was a whole pile different from the Lambert signing.

cj maxx · 03-06-2014 10:36AM

jasonb wrote: »

Ever since I was a kid, I've never got a name or number on the back of a jersey (of course, back then there were no names on the jerseys!). I still don't do it; players come and go, even legends, the club is the constant...

J.

Too right , cant wait to get this years as the only one i have has torres on it
No names from now on but maybe a no 8

klose · 03-06-2014 10:42AM

Looks like sami hyypia will be taking the brighton job, went from 33/1 to 8/13 favourite over night.

Dickerty · 03-06-2014 10:46AM

tok9 wrote: »

I wouldn't say the signing of Kolo Toure was a whole pile different from the Lambert signing.

Not massively different, but it was more of a replacement for Carra, on a free - experience in and experience out. But yes, I take the point.

Dickerty · 03-06-2014 10:51AM

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

NO NO NO NO NO.
Have you seen a different player to the one I saw ?

Never mind the last season, where he was injured and barely got a sniff.
Look at the player that was at Roma, when he was only 20 years old.
15 goals in 33 Serie A games as a winger/CAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK3N1W0IN24

Larry Wildman · 03-06-2014 11:02AM

Lambert is an excellent signing.

Your biggest issue for next season is your lack of depth.

The 2013/2014 season was easier in that you'd no European football and could focus on the league.

Lambert will be perfect for Champions League dead rubbers, "easy" league games post Champions League, injury scenarios and Mickey Mouse cup games.

An astute piece of business.

Talisman · 03-06-2014 11:03AM

Dickerty wrote: »

But Lambert is something they have never done...

In July last year the club signed a 32 year old defender : Kolo Toure

Moneyball isn't all about signing unestablished players, it's about finding value. Experienced players on small contracts are good value especially when they are proven performers at the required level.

BenEadir · 03-06-2014 11:03AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

And if a club has the power to do that then the player should have every right to look for a way out of their contract when they want. End of story.

If that's what you think you clearly don't know much about contracts TT. By paying a player the contracted amount each week the club is fulfilling its contracted obligations, full stop, where and when they ask him to play is entirely their discretion. Clubs would be mad to allow clauses in their contracts which allowed a player to subplot walk away if they weren't being played as often as they like or the position they like etc.

Contracts are a two way street TT, there are plenty of examples of players signing big long term contracts then (for whatever reason) losing their form e.g. David Bentley, Joe Cole etc but the club can't just walk away from them can it???

cj maxx · 03-06-2014 11:03AM

jasonb wrote: »

Ever since I was a kid, I've never got a name or number on the back of a jersey (of course, back then there were no names on the jerseys!). I still don't do it; players come and go, even legends, the club is the constant...

J.

Too right , cant wait to get this years as the only one i have has torres on it
No names from now on but maybe a no 8

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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