Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

billy2012 · 01-06-2014 09:19AM

Fescue wrote: »

Where would you see him fitting into Liverpoools midfield?

Where ever he wanted.

Don't see it happening.

Turtyturd · 01-06-2014 09:22AM

mosstin wrote: »

Fabregas is a wonderful footballer. People's capacity for revisionism is amazing.

That works both ways...didn't someone say yesterday that he would be a ready made replacement for Yaya?

Seamu$ · 01-06-2014 09:24AM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Lambert deal will be announced when Ian Ayre gets back from Spain where he is trying to tie down TWO players.

But has he brought enough rope with him??!!!

Fescue · 01-06-2014 09:25AM

mosstin wrote: »

Where have I said we should buy him?

I was just asking where do you think he would fit into our midfield. Just for the purpose of discussion.

murpho999 · 01-06-2014 09:28AM

mosstin wrote: »

Fabregas is a wonderful footballer. People's capacity for revisionism is amazing.

It's not revisionism, but having an opinion.
Not a player I have ever been overly fond of, obviously talented but did not like how he moved from Arsenal and now wonder why Barcelona want to sell him.

Fescue · 01-06-2014 09:28AM

billy2012 wrote: »

Where ever he wanted.

Don't see it happening.

He's tended to play in the front 3 a lot of the time for Barca I think. If we are to persist with a holding playmaker type and two runners ahead of him, perhaps Fabregas could play the playmaker role to good effect. Not sure though.

mike65 · 01-06-2014 09:29AM

Fabregas is a Billy Big Boots, wouldn't want him at the club. Its a bit irrational I know but 30 million and wages aside he just annoys me.

As for the two players Ayre is looking to keel haul back to Liverpool I suppose it must be Moreno and Pedro that Valencia kid the Academy are after.

Agueroooo · 01-06-2014 09:30AM

Forgot about that wonder kid we are chasing.

Good shout.

mosstin · 01-06-2014 09:31AM

Fescue wrote: »

I was just asking where do you think he would fit into our midfield. Just for the purpose of discussion.

I don't really. Rather than splash 30 million (without taking wages into account) I would rather we address other areas of weakness first, specifically defensively.

mike65 · 01-06-2014 09:34AM

There is chatter regarding one of the veterans of the central midfield game - Seydou Keita, who as it happens also plays for Valencia. Seems a slightly odd one if Can is a serious target though.

billy2012 · 01-06-2014 09:35AM

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9333918/my-career-ian-rush

Fescue · 01-06-2014 09:36AM

mike65 wrote: »

There is chatter regarding one of the veterans of the central midfield game - Seydou Keita, who as it happens also plays for Valencia. Seems a slightly odd one if Can is a serious target though.

The can transfer is a bit of a mystery to me. I just don't know enough about him. From what I have read, Bayern seen him as a centre back.

mosstin · 01-06-2014 09:36AM

murpho999 wrote: »

It's not revisionism, but having an opinion.
Not a player I have ever been overly fond of him, obviously talented but did not like how he moved from Arsenal and now wonder why Barcelona want to sell him.

I wasn't having a pop. Just pointing out that when players leave the PL their reputation loses its lustre. Fabregas moved to Barca at a time when they've had several changes of manager. During his time at Arsenal he was a fabulous footballer.

Fescue · 01-06-2014 09:42AM

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/fabio-borini-sunderland-ready-offer-7198920

Sunderland hoping to sign Borini for £10 million according to the Sunderland Chronicle.

Morzadec · 01-06-2014 09:46AM

Please push the boat out and do everything to sign Fabregas.

Getting a World class player like that in would be unbelievable and would immediately have me believing we could challenge for the league right off the bat.

We're talking about one of the greatest midfielders to have graced the Premier League. A couple of the seasons he put in towards the end of his Arsenal career were just phenomenal.

The issue with wages is a totally valid one, and it's right to say it's not just a simple case of spending 5m more than Lallana.

BUT -

Lallana 25m plus estimated 60,000 wages over 5 years = c. 40m total

Fabregas at 30m plus estimated wages of 120,000 over 5 years = c.60m total

For me it's still a no brainer to go after a genuine World Class player who has shown he can be the best player in the league if given the right circumstances.

C'mon FSG, we're back in the Champions League - this is the type of player we could never have dreamed of signing, and now there could be a shot. Go after him!

Agueroooo · 01-06-2014 09:50AM

Shaqiri talk seems to be picking up again and hopefully a sign we have moved on from Lallana.

Sooner the better imo

shamrock55 · 01-06-2014 09:54AM

Morzadec wrote: »

Please push the boat out and do everything to sign Fabregas.

Getting a World class player like that in would be unbelievable and would immediately have me believing we could challenge for the league right off the bat.

We're talking about one of the greatest midfielders to have graced the Premier League. A couple of the seasons he put in towards the end of his Arsenal career were just phenomenal.

The issue with wages is a totally valid one, and it's right to say it's not just a simple case of spending 5m more than Lallana.

BUT -

Lallana 25m plus estimated 60,000 wages over 5 years = c. 40m total

Fabregas at 30m plus estimated wages of 120,000 over 5 years = c.60m total

For me it's still a no brainer to go after a genuine World Class player who has shown he can be the best player in the league if given the right circumstances.

C'mon FSG, we're back in the Champions League - this is the type of player we could never have dreamed of signing, and now there could be a shot. Go after him!

its easy to see its not your money , it's still an extra 20m whatever way you dress it up, would you want to sign him if he cost 45m but was the same wages as lallana??

Fescue · 01-06-2014 09:58AM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Shaqiri talk seems to be picking up again and hopefully a sign we have moved on from Lallana.

Sooner the better imo

I haven't seen a huge amount of Shaqiri but when I have seem him play for Bayern, I haven't been hugely impressed.

MR NINE · 01-06-2014 10:05AM

shamrock55 wrote: »

its easy to see its not your money , it's still an extra 20m whatever way you dress it up, would you want to sign him if he cost 45m but was the same wages as lallana??

20m amortised over five years is 4m a year, hardly gonna break the bank, or have any bearing on our future signings. I was happy to see us pursue lallana as I think hes a good player, and hed fit well with Liverpools style of play,but its getting ridiculous now. No way should we spend 25m on him, never mind the fact weve bid it it and its getting rejected. Walk away from the deal and spend the 25m on someone better. Fabregas over lallana is a no brainer

Morzadec · 01-06-2014 10:08AM

shamrock55 wrote: »

its easy to see its not your money , it's still an extra 20m whatever way you dress it up, would you want to sign him if he cost 45m but was the same wages as lallana??

Yeah def (as long as it didn't hinder plans to bring in more recruits) it's just a different spin on it, slightly high transfer fee, very very low wages.

It's hard to put a price on that type of quality when you're a club that can't usually expect to attract such established quality off the bat.

In his last 5 seasons in all competitions he has:

Played: 165 (29)
Scored: 58
Assisted: 66

The gulf between his and Lallana's careers at similar ages is just incomparable.

The guy has played in the biggest matches in football, and like I said is one of the best players I've seen play in the league.

20m more over 5 years isn't much when you consider what we would be getting.

Anyway, if City, Chelsea or even United come in for him we would probably lose out on wages, and if Arsenal want him back he may well go there.

So I'm not expecting anything but I'd like us to try

Hidalgo · 01-06-2014 10:11AM

Fescue wrote: »

I haven't seen a huge amount of Shaqiri but when I have seem him play for Bayern, I haven't been hugely impressed.

When he was with Basel he was outstanding I thought.
The way Bayern play now under Pep doesn't fully utilise his attributes, a bit like Sanchez at Barca. Both would excel in a more counter attacking/moving the ball from back to front at speed type system that Liverpool employed last season over a more patient pass, pass, pass system Bayern are currently using.

He's seen very liitle game time too tbf, no real run of games.
He's also adaptable, can play RW and LW.

If he's available for the figures touted £16-18m, I'd be delighted to see him signed

Hidalgo · 01-06-2014 10:14AM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Rakitic and Fabregas available for around the same price. It's a no brainer to walk away from this deal.

There was mention of Rakitic c. the EL final.
Real also supposedly interested, which if true means Liverpool won't get him. Also someone here posted a figure closer to €40m as a ballpark fee.

Francie Barrett · 01-06-2014 10:21AM

Lads, I have no idea why you insist on doing this to yourselves. We saw the same thing happen with Mata last time. Just because he became available, people thought he was an achievable target.

EuropeanSon · 01-06-2014 10:24AM

In buying Lallana, you're buying a good squad player. In buying Fabregas, you'd be buying the best passer of the ball in the league (besides possibly Ozil). People comparing the two need their heads examined.

Not that I believe Barcelona would sell him in any case. With Xavi getting on and their next replacement for Xavi being Alex Song (!), and a transfer ban potentially on the horizon, they'd be mad to.

Hidalgo · 01-06-2014 10:29AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Lads, I have no idea why you insist on doing this to yourselves. We saw the same thing happen with Mata last time. Just because he became available, people thought he was an achievable target.

Liverpool are a more desirable destination at the minute though with CL for next year.

That said, if the likes of City or Man Utd are interested they'll win any battle V Liverpool for his name

Pilsbury Doughboy · 01-06-2014 10:37AM

Are people really saying they wouldn't want Fabregas? I don't think we can sign him but if we did I would be absolutely delighted, he's a brilliant player! It would deffo be a jizz worthy signing!

smileyj1987 · 01-06-2014 10:52AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Lads, I have no idea why you insist on doing this to yourselves. We saw the same thing happen with Mata last time. Just because he became available, people thought he was an achievable target.

At the time if LFC had of had the money for mata he could have been an LFC player . To me that's a player who wants to play and feel valued by the club he is at . So I do think mata could have been got if the funds where there .

Gmol · 01-06-2014 10:54AM

Fabregas is a better player but I don't think he would be better in our team than Llallana

Raif Severance · 01-06-2014 11:15AM

What's with all the Talk of Fabregas?

I seem to Recall, that Arsenal have the 1st Option to Sign him back. So even with Arsenal having Millions of Midfielders themselves, I doubt they'll let us Sign him, when they have a Chance to do so.

EuropeanSon, is right though. I doubt Barca would let Cesc go, when he's the Heir-apparent to the ageing Xavi.

SM01 · 01-06-2014 11:30AM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Shaqiri talk seems to be picking up again and hopefully a sign we have moved on from Lallana.

Sooner the better imo

Here's a quick stats overview on Shaqiri vs Lallana:

http://www.statsbomb.com/2014/06/xherdan-shaqiri-vs-adam-lallana-a-liverpool-joint/

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