Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 07:01AM

Raif Severance wrote: »

Fair enough if you don't think him as a Liverpool Starter.

But in our Current Setup, I think Lallana would Start ahead of Coutinho as CAM.

I'd argue that the improvement that Lallana would give (if any) over Coutinho would not be worth an extra 25m.

If Coutinho was more consistent and could shoot he'd be stunning. Both those can be worked on.

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 07:23AM

It might seem like I'm against signing Lallana and talk him down a bit. I like him and he has quality and would no doubt add to the squad and push for a starting place. If he signed for us I'd be happy. But i cant see past the price now.

There is no value in this for LFC. This is the max he's ever going to cost. I thought we hired a top scouting network. If they cant get a player of a similar ability for less then I'd ship them out ASAP. 15-20m was big money for Lallana. 25m is silly money.

T-K-O · 31-05-2014 07:49AM

tomaussie wrote: »

The Lambert deal does nothing for me. If Remy was an option then we should have pushed the boat out. I'm not one for reading statistics when I'm judging a player. I much prefer to watch them play and make a decision based on that.

Sturridge has been injury prone over the years and if he were to miss 1-2 months then Remy would be an ideal replacement. I would argue that Remy could push Sturridge for a starting place. I don't care that he would cost a bit extra re fee and wages. We would get a younger player with more class and ability. We didn't sign Anelka because Houllier didn't fancy managing him but sometimes good players come with that little bit of petulance. Remy is very good and more importantly (for a foreign player) we don't have to worry about him adapting to the premiership.

The £25 million for Lallana seems over the top too. For that kind of money I'd expect an International player with Champions League experience or an obvious outstanding talent. He is neither.

I know I don't understand what Brendan is thinking or what he wants but as a fan I was expecting him to be looking at players we couldn't sign last year due to our stature and not being in the Champions League. Both these players could have been signed last year. I thought we would now be looking at players on the peripheral of the biggest European clubs.

I suppose I thought that when we reached the holy grail of the Champions League that we would see an all out attack on getting 4-5 quality first team players to take us to the next level. It would also allow us to cut the deadwood that is Aspas, Alberto et al.

If the general consensus is that Lambert is good enough then we should be all over Ashley Cole who really IS good enough.

I don't know who are realistic targets are and if talk about Di Maria or Pedro is unrealistic, as we could never get them, if true then that's pretty sad. 2nd in the Premiership. Champions league football. Our History. Talented squad. Talented manager who plays attractive football. What else do we need to offer ?

It's all about quality now. I trust the club know what they are doing but I'd hate to think that lack of financial ambition would hold us back.

£4 million and £40,000 grand a week for Lambert or £15 million and £100,000 a week for Remy ? I'd take Remy all day long.

Remy cannot be trusted
http://www.theroot.com/content/dam/theroot/articles/politics/2014/02/house_of_cards_is_an_intriguing_twist_on_race_and_politics/390294.1.jpg.CROP.rtstory-large.1.jpg

For what it's worth, the Lambert deal is far better in terms of cost and talent

Gmol · 31-05-2014 07:58AM

Lambert and Lallana would be 2 great signings, people need to remember that it's a squad game now and we had poor options from the bench when we needed to change the game last year , say we sold Borini and Aspas for 17m, that would nearly pay for Lambert and say Shaquiri which would be a major upgrade .
Also we need to have a squad that keeps us in the CL next year as the money doubles then.

Raif Severance · 31-05-2014 08:02AM

NukaCola wrote: »

It might seem like I'm against signing Lallana and talk him down a bit. I like him and he has quality and would no doubt add to the squad and push for a starting place. If he signed for us I'd be happy. But i cant see past the price now.

There is no value in this for LFC. This is the max he's ever going to cost. I thought we hired a top scouting network. If they cant get a player of a similar ability for less then I'd ship them out ASAP. 15-20m was big money for Lallana. 25m is silly money.

You know, a Season Ago, I would have thought the same as you. But then again, a Season Ago, I never thought we would be in the CL or even Challenging for the Title.

But after our Amazing Season, a Season where both Alberto and Aspas didn't Figure as much, I began to ask myself some Questions.

1. Should we get Players that are Cheaper, but the Manager doesn't Rate? (Transfer Committee Signing)

2. Or, should we get Overpriced Players, that the Manager actually wants? (Rodgers' Signing)

I've come to the Conclusion that, we should go for the 2nd, every single time.

Yes, 25M is Silly Money for Lallana. But if Rodgers has his Heart Set on him, and thinks he's Worth 25M, then we should Trust the Manager, and get him the Player that he wants.

billy2012 · 31-05-2014 08:03AM

Delighted that the Lallana deal seems to be back on!! Quality!!!

Hidalgo · 31-05-2014 08:10AM

As to where would Lallana fit in.
I guess LW and AM would be the 2 main spots. Here he offers more consistency than Couthinho. With Lallana you'll regularly get 7.5/8-10. With Couthinho it can swing from 6 to 9-10.

He might also be seen as an option for a more central role lining up like

Gerrard

----Lallana

Henderson

or

Gerrard

Lallana/Henderson----

???????

Essentially he might be seen as an option for a 1 2 or a 2 1 around the middle of the park

tomaussie · 31-05-2014 08:14AM

Raif Severance wrote: »

You know, a Season Ago, I would have thought the same as you. But then again, a Season Ago, I never thought we would be in the CL or even Challenging for the Title.

But after our Amazing Season, a Season where both Alberto and Aspas didn't Figure as much, I began to ask myself some Questions.

1. Should we get Players that are Cheaper, but the Manager doesn't Rate? (Transfer Committee Signing)

2. Or, should we get Overpriced Players, that the Manager actually wants? (Rodgers' Signing)

I've come to the Conclusion that, we should go for the 2nd, every single time.

Yes, 25M is Silly Money for Lallana. But if Rodgers has his Heart Set on him, and thinks he's Worth 25M, then we should Trust the Manager, and get him the Player that he wants.

It's very hard not to agree with your logic. Of course I want the manager to have things his way and he should be backed after what he has done but I'm not too sure if he was responsible for Sturridge or Coutinho coming in and he did want to move Henderson out for a nominal fee. So it's a tough call if we should buy somebody at the peak of their price just because the manager wants him.

With the scouting systems in place these days it's surprising that we are going for Lallana after his good season. Where was he in the equation when we were trying to sign Sigurdson, Dempsey and somebody else I can't remember just now.

It kinda tells me that we are interested after his one standout season. That's not something that appeals to me and especially not at £25 million.

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 08:19AM

Raif Severance wrote: »

Yes, 25M is Silly Money for Lallana. But if Rodgers has his Heart Set on him, and thinks he's Worth 25M, then we should Trust the Manager, and get him the Player that he wants.

I trust the manager but does that mean i cant debate a decision he is making? I know thats not what your saying, but everything he does is open for debate.

I'm quite happy if we get Lallana, I'm not an accountant and its not my money. I just cant see how we can spend 25m on Lallana and bring in 2/3 more quality players that are desperately needed.

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 08:23AM

Gmol wrote: »

Lambert and Lallana would be 2 great signings, people need to remember that it's a squad game now and we had poor options from the bench when we needed to change the game last year , say we sold Borini and Aspas for 17m, that would nearly pay for Lambert and say Shaquiri which would be a major upgrade .
Also we need to have a squad that keeps us in the CL next year as the money doubles then.

Borini isn't for sale though. Nobody wants Aspas. No-one will pay anything near those figures for those players.

We'll be lucky to offload Aspas on loan being honest. We dont have players to sell unless you go down the road of replacing Agger and Lucas. Assaidi may fetch 4/5m. Reina might get you the same.

Podge2k7 · 31-05-2014 08:27AM

SSN reporting that Lambert has arrived for a medical.

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2014 08:30AM

I think everyone can agree that Lallana is overpriced at £25m! People saying that we have Coutinho and so why should we pay that money for Lallana.

Well I for one would be very happy if the arrival of Lallana and the competition for a starting place pushes Coutinho onto the next level becuase at the next level he becomes world class and priceless.

£25m for Lallana now on a 5 year contract playing the rest of his carrer for Liverpool may turn into a bargain just look at the hate that was thrown at Henderson for his price tag!

He is now the first name on the team sheet after Suarez and has become a priceless member of the team.

Re; Lambert for £4M It's a now brainer! He is a guy who would give his last breath for the club who also is a very good footballer. I am kind of looking forward to seeing him and Borini playing together as I think they would work very well together in cup games and when needed in the PL and CL group games.

skywalker · 31-05-2014 08:36AM

Ricky lambert spotted headed in for his medical. On touch site so not sure how to embed.

http://twitter.com/VinnOConnor/status/472649881598038016/photo/1

billy2012 · 31-05-2014 08:37AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Borini isn't for sale though. Nobody wants Aspas. No-one will pay anything near those figures for those players.

We'll be lucky to offload Aspas on loan being honest. We dont have players to sell unless you go down the road of replacing Agger and Lucas. Assaidi may fetch 4/5m. Reina might get you the same.

Huh?? I'd imagine there would be plenty of teams interested in Aspas granted it won't be for big money.

MD1990 · 31-05-2014 08:41AM

I doubt Southampton will accept 25m. The Echo were saying there were looking for 30m.

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 08:44AM

billy2012 wrote: »

Huh?? I'd imagine there would be plenty of teams interested in Aspas granted it won't be for big money.

Sorry, nobody wants Aspas for the money we spent.

I dont think we'll get any offers other than loans for him though with an option to buy.

Agueroooo · 31-05-2014 08:44AM

skywalker wrote: »

Ricky lambert spotted headed in for his medical. On touch site so not sure how to embed.

http://twitter.com/VinnOConnor/status/472649881598038016/photo/1

Lol what cloud do you reckon Ricky Lambert is on right now.

Receive a call mid week from your agent telling you your boyhood club has come in for you...something you had given up on ever happening years ago.

Having your medical today to complete the signing.

and flying out this afternoon to represent your country in the World Cup.
The guy is going to be buzzing in Brazil.

Carlsberg don't do good weeks but if they did.....

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 08:46AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

People saying that we have Coutinho and so why should we pay that money for Lallana.

Who said that?

billy2012 · 31-05-2014 08:52AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Sorry, nobody wants Aspas for the money we spent.

I dont think we'll get any offers other than loans for him though with an option to buy.

I could be wrong but I really doubt it will be an issue getting rid of him but your right, it prob won't be for what we paid.

I'd say there are plenty of Spanish teams that would be interested in him.

I've always liked Aspas. Clever little player.

djPSB · 31-05-2014 08:53AM

hefferboi wrote: »

Who would ye rather see sign for us, lads?

Shaw or Moreno?

Who's better?

Tony Kroos.

Milkers · 31-05-2014 09:02AM

You can tell we haven't been in CL for a few years as everyone seems to be looking at the squad from the point of view of 11 "starters" and the rest are "bench" players. It doesn't matter if Lallana is slightly better or slightly worse than Coutinho, we need more than one "starter" level player per position.

Knex* · 31-05-2014 09:06AM

All this Lallana, Shaw, and Moreno talk, and nobody asks the most important question.

Are they any good in FIFA?

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 09:10AM

Milkers wrote: »

You can tell we haven't been in CL for a few years as everyone seems to be looking at the squad from the point of view of 11 "starters" and the rest are "bench" players. It doesn't matter if Lallana is slightly better or slightly worse than Coutinho, we need more than one "starter" level player per position.

Well I'm looking at it from the point of view of if you spend 25m on a player they should be significant upgrades on whats already there. That means the first 11 and squad is then stronger, not just the squad.

25m would be the second highest fee paid for a player in our history, only second to the ridiculous Andy Carroll transfer.

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 09:11AM

Knex. wrote: »

All this Lallana, Shaw, and Moreno talk, and nobody asks the most important question.

Are they any good in FIFA?

Bring back Doni IMO. Can play anywhere across the back 4 and a decent plan B up front.

Bray Header · 31-05-2014 09:13AM

So folks, do you think Lucas' days at Anfield are numbered?

I've just been on his twitter page. He seems sad that people are trolling him, has just parted from his management company, and obviously didn't make the world cup squad. Coupled with the fact that we're in the market for midfielders, I guess he's not feeling the love right now. Seems like now might be a good time in his life for him to make a change. Although, the lack of links with a top quality Defensive Midfielder makes me slightly concerned.

Whatever happens, I always had a soft spot for Lucas, but I've come to the conclusion that the injuries have taken their toll, and he's not longer an elite European level player.

What say you all?

joe123 · 31-05-2014 09:14AM

Lallana is a good player would definitely improve us but he is worth about 20 million. 25 million is over priced.

30 is insane.

NukaCola · 31-05-2014 09:16AM

Bray Header wrote: »

So folks, do you think Lucas' days at Anfield are numbered?

I've just been on his twitter page. He seems sad that people are trolling him, has just parted from his management company, and obviously didn't make the world cup squad. Coupled with the fact that we're in the market for midfielders, I guess he's not feeling the love right now. Seems like now might be a good time in his life for him to make a change. Although, the lack of links with a top quality Defensive Midfielder makes me slightly concerned.

Whatever happens, I always had a soft spot for Lucas, but I've come to the conclusion that the injuries have taken their toll, and he's not longer an elite European level player.

What say you all?

He can be a decent squad player for us I think. If a decent bid came in I'd accept though.

petethebrick · 31-05-2014 09:20AM

I reckon 25m is too much for Lallana. He'd be a great addition to the team but I really think we need to aim for 1 or 2 players with champions league experience

5live · 31-05-2014 09:23AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Bring back Doni IMO. Can play anywhere across the back 4 and a decent plan B up front.

Yeah. He could cover LB very well if Messi gets injured/suspended.

mike65 · 31-05-2014 09:25AM

My OUT list % chance, of senior players as of now

Reina 100%
Aspas 90%
Assaidi 90%
Agger 75%
Lucas 50%
Borini 20%

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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