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Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    25m we might as well throw in 10 or 11m more and round it up to 40m total for Lovern, Lambert and Lallana.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    It's hardly a fair comparison if you just use last year, Lallana second season in the prem in a team pretty much built around him, Willian a newcomer in a Chelsea team lacking up front

    I think you could get better value for 25 million but they wouldn't be English

    I've seen a fair bit of both and I don't believe Willian is a better player. Statistically last season he wasn't. Both are of a similar age. I was just making the point that when a Brazilian coming from Russia is signed for £30 million, no one bats an eyelid. No so if its an English player from Southampton. Both are really overpriced in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭Hoki


    When i logged on I was praying to see the Moreno vs Shaw debate again. Nice one, now someone shoot me in the face.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Not to mention the £27 million paid for Fellaini. That was never a good idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Fescue wrote: »
    I've seen a fair bit of both and I don't believe Willian is a better player. Statistically last season he wasn't. Both are of a similar age. I was just making the point that when a Brazilian coming from Russia is signed for £30 million, no one bats an eyelid. No so if its an English player from Southampton. Both are really overpriced in my opinion.
    Willian did play superb in the CL though. But u do have a point as Willian did not have many caps at the time either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭Devilman40k


    Adam Blackmore ‏@bigadamsport 6m
    The way things are going, Rickie Lambert & Adam Lallana are going to be doing a shared medical tomorrow

    Editor BBC Radio Solent....

    Take from that what you will


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Editor BBC Radio Solent....

    Take from that what you will

    I'd say its looking very likely the bid will be accepted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    The other factor of course is that the tv money is bound to have caused substantial inflation this summer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    It could get embarrassing for Ian Ayre at St Mary's

    Knock knock

    "Who's there?"

    "helloooooo, its me again"

    Sighs

    "now about Mr Lovren...."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Fescue wrote: »
    Both played 42 games. Lallana scored 10 goals, Willian 4. I think Lallana had more assists. Also didn't Lallana make the team of the season. All that coupled with the fact that Willian played with much better players also. Don't think theres any argument.

    But how many goals and assists would Lallana have had playing as Defensive, Slightly less defensive, don't even consider attacking or you'll be sold to Man United midfielder at Chelsea?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Strongbow10


    didn't Dortmund make a move for Lallana in January?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    But how many goals and assists would Lallana have had playing as Defensive, Slightly less defensive, don't even consider attacking or you'll be sold to Man United midfielder at Chelsea?

    Its a fair point.

    I guess many will be hoping that the bid is rejected and we move onto to someone like Shaqiri.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,263 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Seriously hope England do well in the World Cup cause it's practically our team now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭upstairs for coffee


    Oddschanger ‏@Oddschanger 38s

    Liverpool are hopeful of signing Adam Lallana, Alberto Moreno, Dejan Lovren and Emre Can within the next fortnight. (via @BenSmithBBC)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I'd like to get Lovren done before the World Cup if he plays and has a cracker his price will skyrocket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    Oddschanger ‏@Oddschanger 38s

    Liverpool are hopeful of signing Adam Lallana, Alberto Moreno, Dejan Lovren and Emre Can within the next fortnight. (via @BenSmithBBC)

    Add Lambert to that and you have 5 players. If the above comes off you have:

    CF cover done.
    CM/AM cover done.
    LB done.
    CB done.

    Add Borini and Wisdom to that and imo we're starting to see a strong all round squad.

    The above is probably a 60m outlay. Can we still afford 1 more big signing? The likes of a Kono or Shaqiri? I kind of feel the above gives us really good depth and a bunch of players who won't let us down, but still a squad probably a bit short on the top quality needed to win the Premier League or CL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    Morzadec wrote: »
    Add Lambert to that and you have 5 players. If the above comes off you have:

    CF cover done.
    CM/AM cover done.
    LB done.
    CB done.

    Add Borini and Wisdom to that and imo we're starting to see a strong all round squad.

    The above is probably a 60m outlay. Can we still afford 1 more big signing? The likes of a Kono or Shaqiri? I kind of feel the above gives us really good depth and a bunch of players who won't let us down, but still a squad probably a bit short on the top quality needed to win the Premier League or CL.

    Throw Pedro in the mix and that would be a quality transfer window


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭tomaussie


    The Lambert deal does nothing for me. If Remy was an option then we should have pushed the boat out. I'm not one for reading statistics when I'm judging a player. I much prefer to watch them play and make a decision based on that.

    Sturridge has been injury prone over the years and if he were to miss 1-2 months then Remy would be an ideal replacement. I would argue that Remy could push Sturridge for a starting place. I don't care that he would cost a bit extra re fee and wages. We would get a younger player with more class and ability. We didn't sign Anelka because Houllier didn't fancy managing him but sometimes good players come with that little bit of petulance. Remy is very good and more importantly (for a foreign player) we don't have to worry about him adapting to the premiership.

    The £25 million for Lallana seems over the top too. For that kind of money I'd expect an International player with Champions League experience or an obvious outstanding talent. He is neither.

    I know I don't understand what Brendan is thinking or what he wants but as a fan I was expecting him to be looking at players we couldn't sign last year due to our stature and not being in the Champions League. Both these players could have been signed last year. I thought we would now be looking at players on the peripheral of the biggest European clubs.

    I suppose I thought that when we reached the holy grail of the Champions League that we would see an all out attack on getting 4-5 quality first team players to take us to the next level. It would also allow us to cut the deadwood that is Aspas, Alberto et al.

    If the general consensus is that Lambert is good enough then we should be all over Ashley Cole who really IS good enough.

    I don't know who are realistic targets are and if talk about Di Maria or Pedro is unrealistic, as we could never get them, if true then that's pretty sad. 2nd in the Premiership. Champions league football. Our History. Talented squad. Talented manager who plays attractive football. What else do we need to offer ?

    It's all about quality now. I trust the club know what they are doing but I'd hate to think that lack of financial ambition would hold us back.

    £4 million and £40,000 grand a week for Lambert or £15 million and £100,000 a week for Remy ? I'd take Remy all day long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Pulsating Star


    Back in the day many English internationals used to see out their careers at Southhampton as its a nice place to live. Pity they can't afford Johnsons wages.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Hotale.com


    tomaussie wrote: »
    The Lambert deal does nothing for me. If Remy was an option then we should have pushed the boat out. I'm not one for reading statistics when I'm judging a player. I much prefer to watch them play and make a decision based on that.

    Sturridge has been injury prone over the years and if he were to miss 1-2 months then Remy would be an ideal replacement. I would argue that Remy could push Sturridge for a starting place. I don't care that he would cost a bit extra re fee and wages. We would get a younger player with more class and ability. We didn't sign Anelka because Houllier didn't fancy managing him but sometimes good players come with that little bit of petulance. Remy is very good and more importantly (for a foreign player) we don't have to worry about him adapting to the premiership.

    The £25 million for Lallana seems over the top too. For that kind of money I'd expect an International player with Champions League experience or an obvious outstanding talent. He is neither.

    I know I don't understand what Brendan is thinking or what he wants but as a fan I was expecting him to be looking at players we couldn't sign last year due to our stature and not being in the Champions League. Both these players could have been signed last year. I thought we would now be looking at players on the peripheral of the biggest European clubs.

    I suppose I thought that when we reached the holy grail of the Champions League that we would see an all out attack on getting 4-5 quality first team players to take us to the next level. It would also allow us to cut the deadwood that is Aspas, Alberto et al.

    If the general consensus is that Lambert is good enough then we should be all over Ashley Cole who really IS good enough.

    I don't know who are realistic targets are and if talk about Di Maria or Pedro is unrealistic, as we could never get them, if true then that's pretty sad. 2nd in the Premiership. Champions league football. Our History. Talented squad. Talented manager who plays attractive football. What else do we need to offer ?

    It's all about quality now. I trust the club know what they are doing but I'd hate to think that lack of financial ambition would hold us back.

    £4 million and £40,000 grand a week for Lambert or £15 million and £100,000 a week for Remy ? I'd take Remy all day long.

    Remy wouldn't be happy on the bench, we'd then have to get Sterling out of the team to make space for him and there really is no need to do that when Sterling is showing as much promise as he is.

    Lambert is simply gonna be cover for our strikers and that's all we really need in that department.

    Lambert's transfer plus his wages in his first year will cost 6.08m.
    Remy's transfer plus his wages in his first year will cost 20.2m.

    Choosing Lambert over Remy will free up way more money for other positions that need strengthening. If there's one position that doesn't need 15m spent on it it's the strikers.

    It's about time we brought some experience into the side anyway, everyone Liverpool bought since FSG came in has been ~23yo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭Devilman40k


    tomaussie wrote: »
    £4 million and £40,000 grand a week for Lambert or £15 million and £100,000 a week for Remy ? I'd take Remy all day long.


    100k a week for a bench player who would expect to play 1 in every 2 games. I'm not sure. Remember he'd be 3rd choice and have to understand that. We have 2 of the best strikers in Europe, our backup should not be on 100k a week. Remy isn't better than Sturridge, Sturridge is a level up from him.

    Lambert makes perfect sense. Can do a job when called on, will be happy to be on the bench. Plus it allows us spend more on other targets.

    If you've watched Lambert play you'll know he's not a target man, he is great at playing other players in, lay offs, has quick feet and is physically strong enough to cause defenders problems


    Is he better than what we have on the bench currently?..yes..we dont need a 3rd top class striker we can't afford it. We may do in a couple of seasons. But right now we need to strengthen other areas first


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭tomaussie


    No player should be happy on the bench. That shouldn't be a consideration. How else do you improve your team or options if the players on the pitch feel comfortable ? We should make every player fight for his position in the team.

    A player like Remy would be a fantastic option to start OR come off the bench. There have been times this year when Sturridge or Suarez haven't been on it during the game and could have been taken off for a player like Remy. I can't see Lambert getting that many games coming on for 30 minutes when we are looking to change a striker having an off day.

    If either Sturridge or Suarez are out for 1-2 or 3 months we'll notice the difference. We have talked about needing 3-4 top quality strikers like other Premiership winning teams have had.

    What is being suggested is that we can't afford a salary like that on the bench. I don't see him as a bench player. I see him as an option well worth that salary. How do we know what can or can't be afforded ? A focus on quality over depth should be priority.

    I would prefer we brought in experience in other posits where it's more valuable like defence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭Devilman40k


    tomaussie wrote: »
    A focus on quality over depth should be priority.

    THat would leave us with a squad of 15 an spread too thinly in a 55 game season.

    We need quality AND depth. That means compromise on cost in some areas. We dont need to strengthen our front 3. We need to strengthen the bench ...is Lambert an upgrade on Aspas...YES

    We need to upgrade the starting 11 in other areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭simongurnick


    considering the prices paid for Aspas, Alberto, Borini (although he did well on loan). 4 mil for a dude that is a proven premiership scorer is a decent signing. No reason why we wouldn't buy Remy as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,207 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Lallana isn't at the same level as Willian.

    I would take Lallana ahead of Willian to be honest if you gave me a choice. I just don't like the transfer fee. As much as I like the player.

    I think both their workrates are exceptional but Lallana has more end product.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭hefferboi


    Who would ye rather see sign for us, lads?

    Shaw or Moreno?

    Who's better?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    The problem I have when debating Lallana signing is when people are comparing him to other top players is they are looking at one very good season. Before last season if you offered Southampton half of that 25m fee they'd have accepted.

    Lallana is a good player and i think he'll fit in well to the squad. As I said before though, 25m for LFC means a guaranteed starter that improves our first 11 and is top quality. I dont think Lallana is that.

    Obviously BR see's him as being a key player for us and could make Lallana even better. I would be interested to see what happens after this bid though. 25m should be the last bid we make, its already silly money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    I sorta hope they don't accept, I think that's about 5-6m too much. Let someone else play hardball with them and move onto the next option.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Raif Severance


    NukaCola wrote: »
    The problem I have when debating Lallana signing is when people are comparing him to other top players is they are looking at one very good season. Before last season if you offered Southampton half of that 25m fee they'd have accepted.

    Lallana is a good player and i think he'll fit in well to the squad. As I said before though, 25m for LFC means a guaranteed starter that improves our first 11 and is top quality. I dont think Lallana is that.

    Obviously BR see's him as being a key player for us and could make Lallana even better. I would be interested to see what happens after this bid though. 25m should be the last bid we make, its already silly money.

    Fair enough if you don't think him as a Liverpool Starter.

    But in our Current Setup, I think Lallana would Start ahead of Coutinho as CAM.


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