Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

murpho999 · 29-05-2014 10:50PM

joe123 wrote: »

How is it clear Aspas wasn't a Rodgers buy but Lambert is?

He didnt always start for Southampton either. Often came off the bench in games for them. If Osvaldo hadnt fallen out with everyone at the club he could have ended further down the pecking order.

How can you say Lambert is not good enough when he has scored 28 league goals in last 2 seasons?

Raif Severance · 29-05-2014 10:56PM

joe123 wrote: »

How is it clear Aspas wasn't a Rodgers buy but Lambert is?

He didnt always start for Southampton either. Often came off the bench in games for them. If Osvaldo hadnt fallen out with everyone at the club he could have ended further down the pecking order.

Huh? We haven't bought Lambert yet.

It's Clear that Rodgers doesn't have Complete Control over our Transfer Dealings before.

There's a Reason why Aspas, Alberto, Assaidi barely got a look. And why even a Disinterested Moses, got more Minutes than them.

After the Season we've had, and because of his New Contract, our Transfers now will be Different. I'm very confident that whoever we will be Buying from now on, Lambert or whatever, will have Rodger's Stamp of Approval on them.

Seaba · 29-05-2014 11:03PM

One thing I always worried about was who would take a penalty if Stevie was not playing (Sturridge dodgy) - Lambert is deadly from the spot.

joe123 · 29-05-2014 11:04PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How can you say Lambert is not good enough when he has scored 28 league goals in last 2 seasons?

He got 13 this season from 37 apps after a quick check. How many of those were penalties?

Lamberts a decent player but if your challenging for titles and Champions league I wouldnt look to a signing like this as a marker.

For all I know it could turn out to be a shrewd signing but im just giving my opinion. I dont think hes good enough. Hed be grand if we lump the ball into the box but I dont think we should ever look to play that way. Even when chasing a goal we are better when we are patient and play it into feet.

Id rather bring borini off the bench for next season.

RainMaker · 29-05-2014 11:05PM

I think I would rather have Lambert coming off the bench than Aspas, Alberto or Moses, so if it does happen, I think we've already strengthened the squad, but that's all really, but then we do need to strengthen the squad and having an extra striker who can actually score isn't a bad thing, especially for that price.

Vinz Mesrine · 29-05-2014 11:11PM

joe123 wrote: »

He got 13 this season from 37 apps after a quick check. How many of those were penalties?

Lamberts a decent player but if your challenging for titles and Champions league I wouldnt look to a signing like this as a marker.

For all I know it could turn out to be a shrewd signing but im just giving my opinion. I dont think hes good enough. Hed be grand if we lump the ball into the box but I dont think we should ever look to play that way. Even when chasing a goal we are better when we are patient and play it into feet.

Id rather bring borini off the bench for next season.

Someone like Lambert would have been perfect to bring on against Chelsea at Anfield a few weeks ago, he would have caused chaos in their defence and IMO we would have scored.

Raif Severance · 29-05-2014 11:12PM

murpho999 wrote: »

How can you say Lambert is not good enough when he has scored 28 league goals in last 2 seasons?

Maybe he wants someone Fashionable like a Dzeko?

Which is Nuts, since those kind of Strikers aren't exactly Cheap. And we're not Swimming in Money like a Chelsea or Man City, that can Afford to have Strikers with 100K+ Wages on the Bench.

Another thing is, it's not exactly a Position we need to Strengthen. I mean, it's probably our Best Position in Terms of Depth and Quality (Sturridge, Suarez). And besides we also have Borini, to shoulder some of the CF Responsibility if need be.

So I'm not really sure why we need a 4th Striker. Specially, since we're also in the Market for a Goal-scoring Winger (Griezmann, Shaqiri, Kono) to Complement our already Formidable Frontline.

Still, if the 4M + Price is True, that's actually a Good Deal.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 29-05-2014 11:13PM

joe123 wrote: »

He got 13 this season from 37 apps after a quick check. How many of those were penalties?

Lamberts a decent player but if your challenging for titles and Champions league I wouldnt look to a signing like this as a marker.

For all I know it could turn out to be a shrewd signing but im just giving my opinion. I dont think hes good enough. Hed be grand if we lump the ball into the box but I dont think we should ever look to play that way. Even when chasing a goal we are better when we are patient and play it into feet.

Id rather bring borini off the bench for next season.

Did you watch Saints playing? They were not hoofing it up to Lambert, they play the same as us and he was very effective in that team, you are severely underestimating Lambert, he's not a carthorse, he has finesse and is a good finisher.

murpho999 · 29-05-2014 11:24PM

joe123 wrote: »

He got 13 this season from 37 apps after a quick check. How many of those were penalties?

Lamberts a decent player but if your challenging for titles and Champions league I wouldnt look to a signing like this as a marker.

For all I know it could turn out to be a shrewd signing but im just giving my opinion. I dont think hes good enough. Hed be grand if we lump the ball into the box but I dont think we should ever look to play that way. Even when chasing a goal we are better when we are patient and play it into feet.

Id rather bring borini off the bench for next season.

I genuinely think your judgement of players is flawed and wonder how often you've seen Southampton play?

Scoring penalties? What's wrong with that. He has scored 34 with Southampton, never missed one for them. Shows coolness, good shot and accuracy.

Have you seen his goals, as he's not a player who balls where just lumped up to (nothing wrong with that now and then). He can score from free kicks and long and short range. Also is a good header of ball. He is also going to the World cup

I would also think in a better attacking force like Liverpool he'll get more chances. Also don't forget he won't be first choice but will put more pressure on the front 2 which is good. He will be ideal for cup matches and back up.
Here's a goal video with obligatory music.
I think he's better all round than Borini.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEEufv5aNLw

LuckyLloyd · 29-05-2014 11:38PM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Not a single mention of this on twitter before today just goes to show how unreliable it is as a news source.

Don't worry, I'm sure the twitterati will now roll in with intimate blow by blow accounts of the details of personal terms; why the deal is off; then on; then off again... :rolleyes:

As it is, much rather Lambert for ~£5m than Aspas for £6m. Offers something slightly different; will be a good squad option; has done well over two years in a squad that hasn't been agricultural in its approach. Bring him in, no complaints here.

Jordonvito · 29-05-2014 11:45PM

Seems like a good bit of business to me. ye have 2 of the best strikers in the premier leauge, to bring in another striker of the quality of Suarez or Strurridge seems a bit unrealistic. He's a good squad player to bring in.
I'm sure at this stage of his career he will be more than happy to sacrifice 20 games a season in return for Champions Leauge football for the team he supports. The only way I can see ye bringing in a top quality striker is if ye sell Suarez.

BenEadir · 29-05-2014 11:53PM

Ricky Lambert to LFC for £4m just turned 32 = Teddy Sheringham to Man U in 1997 for £3.5m aged 31.5. A lot of people questioned why Fergie brought in a soon to be 32 year old and gave him a four year contract. Towards the end of his fourth year in the 2000-2001 season Sheringham, then aged 35 was Uniteds top scorer and was awarded both the PFA and Football writers player of the year award.

Having an intelligent, skillful, hard working, proven target man type striker who is an LFC fan prepared to give his all as primarily an impact/cover player could be a master stroke by BR.

Would we be happier with a 32 year old £4m unsexy Lambert or a £30m Lamela type player who ticks the superstar box but never plays????

I for one hope the deal goes ahead.

Ben

murpho999 · 30-05-2014 12:03AM

Lambert, Lallana & Lovren will make Liverpool some L of a team.

Sorry.

Washington Irving · 30-05-2014 12:13AM

Esses and Ells are all well and good but if we don't add some vowels we'll struggle to come up with catchy first XI nickname.

Charlie19 · 30-05-2014 12:15AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Lambert, Lallana & Lovren will make Liverpool some L of a team.

Sorry.

I'd favor we signed players starting with S, they seemed to score the majority of our goals.

murpho999 · 30-05-2014 12:16AM

Charlie19 wrote: »

I'd favor we signed players starting with S, they seemed to score the majority of our goals.

S for Strikers.

Nuri Sahin · 30-05-2014 12:28AM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Not a single mention of this on twitter before today just goes to show how unreliable it is as a news source.

This genuinely grinds me. It's who you follow on Twitter that counts.

Twitter didn't catch hold of Lambert , nor Assaidi fair enough. But if that's all the Twitter haters can bash on in regards to players not being linked and being signed in recent years? Well, it's a very small sample.

Utopia Parkway · 30-05-2014 12:40AM

Jordonvito wrote: »

Seems like a good bit of business to me. ye have 2 of the best strikers in the premier leauge, to bring in another striker of the quality of Suarez or Strurridge seems a bit unrealistic. He's a good squad player to bring in.

Well that's it really. Liverpool are not Man City and can't afford to have two 20M strikers on the bench every week. We have to sign someone who is good, not majorly expensive but who won't mind playing third fiddle to Suarez and Sturridge. Lambert does tick a lot of those boxes in fairness.

Zak Flaps · 30-05-2014 12:57AM

ebbsy wrote: »

My dead aunt would be a better option than Aspas.

Not sure about that. She was sh1t when she was alive!

Nerdlingr · 30-05-2014 02:15AM

If he does sign thats some rags to riches story for Lambert. Back to his home city at 32 years of age after years of plying his trade in the lesser leagues.not too mention a world cup to look forward to. Not too sure what to make of the signing if it happens. Good player but at his age and 4m plus add ons? I dunno. How much would jrod cost with his injury?

woodyg · 30-05-2014 03:23AM

no lean no sign

Vinz Mesrine · 30-05-2014 04:47AM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

This genuinely grinds me. It's who you follow on Twitter that counts.

Twitter didn't catch hold of Lambert , nor Assaidi fair enough. But if that's all the Twitter haters can bash on in regards to players not being linked and being signed in recent years? Well, it's a very small sample.

It makes complete **** of the people who claim to be "ITK". It just goes to show how much rubbish the majority of them spout on twitter.

Mr Alan · 30-05-2014 04:57AM

Lambert USA fine player to bring in as a squad player, as long as we also add some top quality additions to the team.

ThunbergsAreGo · 30-05-2014 05:55AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

If he does sign thats some rags to riches story for Lambert. Back to his home city at 32 years of age after years of plying his trade in the lesser leagues.not too mention a world cup to look forward to. Not too sure what to make of the signing if it happens. Good player but at his age and 4m plus add ons? I dunno. How much would jrod cost with his injury?

Spent ten so I'd imagine 20 plus

NukaCola · 30-05-2014 06:08AM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Someone like Lambert would have been perfect to bring on against Chelsea at Anfield a few weeks ago, he would have caused chaos in their defence and IMO we would have scored.

Not trying to jump on your post but how would he have caused chaos in their defense exactly? Set pieces maybe? Do you really think he would have been the key to scoring against Chelsea? High praise if so.

Definitely a different option when Sturridge was clearly not 100%. Definitely an upgrade on Aspas, but I'd argue having Borini back sorts that out. No harm having an extra attacking threat I suppose.

I think we can all agree it would be a decent bit of business overall.

NukaCola · 30-05-2014 06:29AM

greendom wrote: »

So basically Liverpool are buying Lambert to screw Bournemouth ? Well I hope it works well for all concerned

I'm guessing your more than likely trying to get a dig in at LFC by completely absolving Southampton of blame with this post but it is an interesting point about screwing Bournemouth over.

Southampton are the only team to benefit if such a deal is even true. Its nothing more than speculation really, but if it were 100% true, i would have been a bit uncomfortable with it being honest. But look at it from Southamptons point of view. A player that has been with them since he was 12, brought through the ranks and developed professionally by the club will have to shell out 25% to Bournemouth. Now, fair is fair and that money is owed but its not hard to see why Southampton would want to cut Bournemouth out, not that i agree with it.

ThunbergsAreGo · 30-05-2014 06:58AM

NukaCola wrote: »

I'm guessing your more than likely trying to get a dig in at LFC by completely absolving Southampton of blame with this post but it is an interesting point about screwing Bournemouth over.

Southampton are the only team to benefit if such a deal is even true. Its nothing more than speculation really, but if it were 100% true, i would have been a bit uncomfortable with it being honest. But look at it from Southamptons point of view. A player that has been with them since he was 12, brought through the ranks and developed professionally by the club will have to shell out 25% to Bournemouth. Now, fair is fair and that money is owed but its not hard to see why Southampton would want to cut Bournemouth out, not that i agree with it.

Pretty sure Bristol Rovers have the same 25 percent sell on clause

NukaCola · 30-05-2014 07:03AM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Well that's it really. Liverpool are not Man City and can't afford to have two 20M strikers on the bench every week. We have to sign someone who is good, not majorly expensive but who won't mind playing third fiddle to Suarez and Sturridge. Lambert does tick a lot of those boxes in fairness.

My only concern is where does that leave Borini

Dickerty · 30-05-2014 07:06AM

NukaCola wrote: »

I'm guessing your more than likely trying to get a dig in at LFC by completely absolving Southampton of blame with this post but it is an interesting point about screwing Bournemouth over.

Southampton are the only team to benefit if such a deal is even true. Its nothing more than speculation really, but if it were 100% true, i would have been a bit uncomfortable with it being honest. But look at it from Southamptons point of view. A player that has been with them since he was 12, brought through the ranks and developed professionally by the club will have to shell out 25% to Bournemouth. Now, fair is fair and that money is owed but its not hard to see why Southampton would want to cut Bournemouth out, not that i agree with it.

But why would we want a part of that? Unless it's the only terms that they will do business on.

I don't believe that we would sign Lambert as a tag-on to the Lallana deal unless we wanted Lambert anyway, in which case we can pay a combined fee and not care about what they do with it...

Sappy404 · 30-05-2014 07:19AM

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Not a single mention of this on twitter before today just goes to show how unreliable it is as a news source.

No mention of it in the British papers, from Reuters, The Press Association or SSN either. In fact I didn't hear about it from Rickie Lambert. They're all obviously full of s**t and know nothing.

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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