Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

dundalkfc10 · 29-05-2014 07:43PM

rosskind wrote: »

He's never shown any ability in terms of tactics or man-management. Dwight Yorke, at Sunderland, and Jimmy Bullard, at Ipswich, both told stories of Keane setting up a tactics board to kung-fu kick it (with a few expletives in there no doubt) to show his lack of regard for tactics. He has criticized (abused) his players in public, both technically and personally. Both players also told of desperate team morale. Coyle, for all his critics, has many references as a nice guy and good man-manager.

What about the players who played under Keane that said he was a great manager, you just picked 2 players who obvs didnt/dont get on with Keane

rosskind · 29-05-2014 08:07PM

Bullard's book recently came out, which also lead me to Yorke's story. There was no bias intended in picking just those two. I can't think of many players who said they enjoyed or praised Keane's management style or ability, except for those who grew up idolising him or felt they needed to be polite in case they were ever to work under him again.

buckfasterer · 29-05-2014 09:08PM

I'm all up for Keane getting the job. All this chat about being a failed manager is slightly unfair. He was straight out of playing, and thought the Ferguson way worked for all jobs. Maybe he's now calmed his ways? Opened his mind to a calmer way? Maybe he now realises his mistakes and where to make things right?

Lennon was totally unproven when he got the job, was found out tactically even this season yet people think the sun shines out his arse. Keane has more experience when taking the job.

I'd like to see how many of the Celtic fans on here are Man Utd fans, Liverpool fans etc also and see if there is a correlation between who likes him and who doesn't.

Let's go Keano!!

RoryMac · 29-05-2014 09:21PM

Lennon took over as caretaker and did well enough to deserve a chance as manager. I don't think he was a great manager but he did well in his time. He was found out on occasion tactically but built a very good squad and morale was high in the dressing room.

Keane's had a great start at Sunderland but spent a fortune on average players. Tactically he was poor when his teams played similar or better teams with no real occasions of punching above their weight. His teams also played a poor style of football and he was poor at bring through young players.

And that's before we even move onto his man management skills

For the record I don't have any 2nd EPL team

Dempsey · 29-05-2014 09:29PM

Look at the squad when Lennon took over, look at the balance sheet and look what both are now. The difference is unmistakable. He transformed the club despite his inexperience at times, his shortcomings.

For all the talk about experience & tactics, Lennon left the club in a strong position on and off the field. The same cannot be said for the 3 experienced managers that came before him despite success/failures. Keane left clubs in turmoil, I rather avoid a Mowbray-esque appointment tbh

Lord Trollington · 29-05-2014 09:41PM

PauloMN wrote: »

I knew you'd pick that one out. No, my point about Saipan was not about the fiasco itself - it was about the type of character Roy Keane is. It's about how he would make decisions in a bullish, pig-headed way rather than thinking about the best approach to a situation.

Anyway, there might be a lot of water under the bridge since then, but ask RK would he do the same thing all over again tomorrow, and I'll bet he would say yes.

I personally think he should not have come to Celtic when he did, when he was clearly not 100%. But again, Roy was suiting Roy.

But most of all, I honestly think he'd get bored here. Lennon was Celtic through and through, Keane is not. He doesn't have that to fall back on, and his managerial record isn't up to much to make up for it.

This is last chance saloon for Keane. That everyone can be certain of. Fu$k this up and he can forget about getting a big job again.

I think taking the assistant role with Ireland has shown Keane to maturing snd reflecting somewhat on his past. I have no doubt Martin O'Neill has played a big part in all of this.

Personally I hope he gets the job.

blahfckingblah · 29-05-2014 10:21PM

I have to say I'm sceptical about Keane... and I've never had an EPL team so I'not biased. I'm 100% prepared to give him a fair shout though as I admit the only reason I was so open to such an inexperienced Neil Lennon is because he was such a Celtic man. Realistically the domestic season isnt an issue its European qualification that is the making and breaking of a future Celtic boss for the foreseeable future.

Charlie19 · 29-05-2014 10:26PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

This is last chance saloon for Keane. That everyone can be certain of. Fu$k this up and he can forget about getting a big job again.

I think taking the assistant role with Ireland has shown Keane to maturing snd reflecting somewhat on his past. I have no doubt Martin O'Neill has played a big part in all of this.

Personally I hope he gets the job.

I agree with your first point but i think its too much of a gamble for a club like celtic.

I like keane and i think the game needs characters like him but i'm not sure 4 or 5 games as an assistant would have much affect on how he see's fit to manage a team.

Well who ever does get the job, will have a dream first season in charge, anything less than a league title would just be inconceivable.

Lovely Bloke · 29-05-2014 11:17PM

Just popped in to read the Keane talk, but Paulo, your sig.

Lovely touch.

I don't know how long you've had it, but I only noticed it.

30-05-2014 05:22AM

Keane is not a good fit for this job.
If Keane is to become a top class manager then he needs to head down to League 2 or below and learn the trade.
The Ireland job is good for him because he is not the main man and can learn in the shadow of MON.

He does not need a high profile job like Celtic.

And Celtic should look elsewhere if they want UCL consistency

Jimmy Rabbitte Snr · 30-05-2014 06:30AM

I'm cautiously in favour of Keane. I wanted Moyes but if we're honest that was most likely never going to happen. It's a bit unfair to compare him to Lennon as they are two different men that have had very different careers in management up to now.

What I do hope is that the clearly excellent scouting network that is in place stays and continues to unearth gems in the mould of Wanyama, Van Dijk, Ki etc. Keane seems to have matured in the last few years and has become imo less aggressive and a bit more pragmatic in his analysis of the game, whilst remaining unmoving in his opinions. In the case of Bullard and Yorke, hardly model professionals now were they? Always going to be the type to irk Roy and maybe he showed naivety in the transfer market signing Yorke (not sure if he signed Bullard at Ipswich).

His punditry on ITV for me, has been excellent and shown he is no doubt very knowledgeable about the game.

PauloMN · 30-05-2014 08:19AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Just popped in to read the Keane talk, but Paulo, your sig.

Lovely touch.

I don't know how long you've had it, but I only noticed it.

Are you talking about my avatar? It's a few years old at this stage. That's about as far as my artistic abilities go

lol. MS Paint FTW!

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 08:52AM

Lawwell says we are still looking at 5 - 10 candidates, seems a strange turn of events for MON to speak about it if it's not almost signed & sealed. Perhaps the board are a little surprised that there wasn't widespread excitement of Keane signing and are trying to show that they have looked at others or maybe the whole Keane thing is a smokescreen to put pressure on the real candidate.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/277202-peter-lawwell-roy-keane-is-on-five-to-ten-celtic-boss-shortlist/

Dempsey · 30-05-2014 09:01AM

The media and MON have blown the informal chat out of proportion. Law well doesn't like to do business in the glare of the media. MON is probably trying to kill any deal happening by getting public sentiment against Keane leaving his current role

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 09:02AM

RoryMac wrote: »

Lawwell says we are still looking at 5 - 10 candidates, seems a strange turn of events for MON to speak about it if it's not almost signed & sealed. Perhaps the board are a little surprised that there wasn't widespread excitement of Keane signing and are trying to show that they have looked at others or maybe the whole Keane thing is a smokescreen to put pressure on the real candidate.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/277202-peter-lawwell-roy-keane-is-on-five-to-ten-celtic-boss-shortlist/

Pete is covering all angles. Roy Keane might not accept the job.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 09:05AM

Lennonist wrote: »

Pete is covering all angles. Roy Keane might not accept the job.

True and he might not be offered it either, as Dempsey said it's well known Celtic don't appreciate leaks like this so for MON to come out prior to a deal being agreed or even Keane being offered the job is strange

PauloMN · 30-05-2014 09:08AM

"He's played here, he's a Celtic supporter, he's a first class guy"

Even Peter doesn't sound convinced by Keane!!!!

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 09:09AM

RoryMac wrote: »

True and he might not be offered it either, as Dempsey said it's well known Celtic don't appreciate leaks like this so for MON to come out prior to a deal being agreed or even Keane being offered the job is strange

Keane was supposed to do the press conference yesterday, MON did it instead. All MON said was that Celtic were holding an "informal" chat with Keane. The leak came earlier in the day via a journo from The Examiner.

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 09:13AM

PauloMN wrote: »

"He's played here, he's a Celtic supporter, he's a first class guy"

Even Peter doesn't sound convinced by Keane!!!!

Yes. We might have to settle for second or third choice, someone like MacKay or Coyle, but hopefully a deal with Keane will be done. We'll see.

PauloMN · 30-05-2014 09:22AM

Lennonist wrote: »

Yes. We might have to settle for second or third choice, someone like MacKay or Coyle, but hopefully a deal with Keane will be done. We'll see.

Does it not strike you that Lawwell made no mention whatsoever of Keane's past managerial experience when questioned about Keane?

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 09:23AM

PauloMN wrote: »

Just reading one of the Celtic forums, I'd say the general consensus is 80% against, 20% for - which pretty much mirrors this thread I'd say.

There's a reason for those figures.

That's totally inaccurate from what I've seen. On The Huddleboard for example they have a poll on Keane for the Celtic job, 38% Yes, 36% No, 24% Not Sure. Take out the "Not Sure's" and the majority are in favour of a possible Keane appointment. Maybe you're just seeing what you want to see.

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 09:32AM

PauloMN wrote: »

Does it not strike you that Lawwell made no mention whatsoever of Keane's past managerial experience when questioned about Keane?

No that didn't strike me, again I think you are seeing and hearing want you want to believe.

From that interview it looks like a deal has not been done yet with Keane. With the story having been broken like this, it'd be a bit of a let down if we ended up with Mackay or Coyle, but we'd survive I suppose.

Unless some excellent candidate props up from leftfield all of a sudden, I'll be hoping it will be Keane if the make up of the shortlist is Coyle, Mackay, et al.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 09:41AM

Lennonist wrote: »

No that didn't strike me, again I think you are seeing and hearing want you want to believe.

From that interview it looks like a deal has not been done yet with Keane. With the story having been broken like this, it'd be a bit of a let down if we ended up with Mackay or Coyle, but we'd survive I suppose.

Unless some excellent candidate props up from leftfield all of a sudden, I'll be hoping it will be Keane if the make up of the shortlist is Coyle, Mackay, et al.

There is nothing in Keane's managerial record to suggest he is a better candidate than MacKay or Coyle, he has caused unrest at both clubs before being fired and his only success was on the back of spending a fortune at Sunderland which in the end left them with a bloated squad of mediocre players. Has no record of bringing through youth players which IMO is one of the main criteria we should be looking at in a manager.

Lawwell's comments that Keane is an ex player, a good guy and a Celtic supporter(he left out Irish) are the only reasons he is being considered for the job, that's not a high standard to be setting for our manager.

PauloMN · 30-05-2014 09:44AM

Lennonist wrote: »

No that didn't strike me, again I think you are seeing and hearing want you want to believe.

I'm hearing exactly what was said, and more to the point, what wasn't said.

What Lawwell said about Keane is not what I want to hear about the next Celtic manager. If we're going outside the club - unlike in Lenny's situation - we need someone with a better management record than Keane.

Being a top guy and having played 6 months in the Hoops (while crocked) doesn't cut it I'm afraid.

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 09:49AM

PauloMN wrote: »

I'm hearing exactly what was said, and more to the point, what wasn't said.

What Lawwell said about Keane is not what I want to hear about the next Celtic manager. If we're going outside the club - unlike in Lenny's situation - we need someone with a better management record than Keane.

Being a top guy and having played 6 months in the Hoops (while crocked) doesn't cut it I'm afraid.

You're hearing what wasn't said? Did you hear that he didn't refer to Malky MacKay's previous record in management or Owen Coyle's. He wasn't asked about that, and he wasn't asked about Roy Keane's previous record as a manager either.

You're hearing what you want to hear, and making up the rest.

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 09:51AM

Lennonist wrote: »

You're hearing what wasn't said? Did you hear that he didn't refer to Malky MacKay's previous record in management or Owen Coyle's. He wasn't asked about that, and he wasn't asked about Roy Keane's previous record as a manager either.

You're hearing what you want to hear.

He was asked what made Keane an ideal candidate, being an ex-player, a good guy and a supporter does not make you an ideal candidate to be manager

PauloMN · 30-05-2014 10:00AM

Lennonist wrote: »

You're hearing what wasn't said? Did you hear that he didn't refer to Malky MacKay's previous record in management or Owen Coyle's. He wasn't asked about that, and he wasn't asked about Roy Keane's previous record as a manager either.

You're hearing what you want to hear, and making up the rest.

The approach to Keane is the one that has gone public, due to MON's comments. Lawwell was specifically asked about Keane. The other candidates are pure speculation at the moment.

You have your view on it, I have mine - Keane for me would be the wrong man for the job, and Scottish football is not going to be enough to feed his ego. The fans will turn on him very quickly if he failed to qualify for the CL and dropped out of the cups.

Lennonist · 30-05-2014 10:05AM

PauloMN wrote: »

The approach to Keane is the one that has gone public, due to MON's comments. Lawwell was specifically asked about Keane. The other candidates are pure speculation at the moment.

You have your view on it, I have mine - Keane for me would be the wrong man for the job, and Scottish football is not going to be enough to feed his ego. The fans will turn on him very quickly if he failed to qualify for the CL and dropped out of the cups.

The fans will turn on anyone who failed to qualify for the CL.

PauloMN · 30-05-2014 10:12AM

Lennonist wrote: »

The fans will turn on anyone who failed to qualify for the CL.

Let me ask you this - do you think Roy Keane will be happy to stay managing Celtic for very long? Can you not see him getting completely bored of Scottish football, and the lack of a challenge, especially at the moment with no Rangers, no Hearts, no Hibs etc. in the league?

I just don't see him being happy sitting at the sidelines of Dens Park etc....

RoryMac · 30-05-2014 10:24AM

A bit of good news, Izzy and Lustig have signed new 3 year deals. Delighted to see them sign on especially Lustig who I think is a class player

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27634547

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