Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

MonkeyTennis · 29-05-2014 11:49AM

Its all kicking off in the Heysel thread. Best avoided.

Mickalus · 29-05-2014 11:54AM

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Its all kicking off in the Heysel thread. Best avoided.

So advertise the fact it's going on and say best not to go there????

Hey look at this big red button........ don't press it!
Don't.... press... it!

brevity · 29-05-2014 11:56AM

donfers · 29-05-2014 11:56AM

Shawcross isn't a bad centre-back either, in fact I'd rate him higher than both caulker and williams and would hope rodgers would select the best available player rather than merely a player he has previously worked with

MonkeyTennis · 29-05-2014 11:57AM

Youre a big big boy now, you can do what you want. If your prone to getting riled up on internet forums, Id just leave it. Thats all.

rob316 · 29-05-2014 11:58AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

"To tell Gerrard that I was leaving Liverpool was one of the most difficult moments of my career. He was my best team-mate and I’m not sure I have found one like him since. We were made for each other."

Poor Fernando. My heart bleeds.

Don't worry Fernando mate, Stevie moved on and found a far better player called Luis Suarez.

Torres never gave Kenny and FSG a chance, no time for him.

tok9 · 29-05-2014 12:00PM

I haven't seen much of him but I do like Filipe Luis. Thought he was great in the Champions League final.

Dickerty · 29-05-2014 12:00PM

Moreno is 21, already has more experience and pedigree than Shaw, and looks like he would be cheaper?
Maybe we ARE learning after all...

Francie Barrett · 29-05-2014 12:03PM

Even if Moreno doesn't make the Spanish squad (unlikely I'd say since Alba and Azpilcueta are ahead of him) - he is still a lot closer to the Spanish national team at a young age than Enrique ever was.

Rayne Wooney · 29-05-2014 12:03PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Moreno is 21, already has more experience and pedigree than Shaw, and looks like he would be cheaper?
Maybe we ARE learning after all...

Shaw has played more premier league games than Moreno has played la Liga

Turtyturd · 29-05-2014 12:06PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Moreno is 21, already has more experience and pedigree than Shaw, and looks like he would be cheaper?
Maybe we ARE learning after all...

SORT OUT YOUR FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mickalus · 29-05-2014 12:06PM

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Youre a big big boy now, you can do what you want. If your prone to getting riled up on internet forums, Id just leave it. Thats all.

Who's getting riled up? I was just pointing out the contradiction in your post.
What do you expect to happen when you say it's all kicking off over there..... people are going to go look is what!
But best avoided..... sure, that's going to happen.

Agent Coulson · 29-05-2014 12:09PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Shaw has played more premier league games than Moreno has played la Liga

15 more games not much really.

Moreno also as won a EL and has one more cap for Spain than Shaw has for England.

Moreno has also more goals and assists than Shaw.

So you can make stats suit whatever way you want.

Nuri Sahin · 29-05-2014 12:11PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Sky announcing that we've made a bid for Moreno.

Legs lads, this has.

livinginkorea · 29-05-2014 12:12PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Shaw has played more premier league games than Moreno has played la Liga

Honestly, there is a lot to be said for getting proven Premiership players.

BR said he wants players to fit straight into the first team. Hope it happens

Nerdlingr · 29-05-2014 12:13PM

tok9 wrote: »

I haven't seen much of him but I do like Filipe Luis. Thought he was great in the Champions League final.

Outstanding player any time I've seen him. Would LOVE to get him in.

Agent Coulson · 29-05-2014 12:14PM

livinginkorea wrote: »

Honestly, there is a lot to be said for getting proven Premiership players.

BR said he wants players to fit straight into the first team. Hope it happens

So would you be willing to pay £15m more to get Shaw over Moreno because he has played 50 PL games?

livinginkorea · 29-05-2014 12:15PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So would you be willing to pay £15m more to get Shaw over Moreno because he has played 50 more PL games?

Nah 15 million is too much

Agueroooo · 29-05-2014 12:17PM

Shaw is absolute quality imo but so is Moreno.

For the fees being touted the Moreno for £16mil makes a hell of a lot more sense than Shaw at £25mil.

but not forgetting the all important factor when talking about new signings;wages.
Well I doubt if Moreno would be getting anywhere near the reported £120k a week that Shaw's being offered.

So over the term of a contract (and maybe way beyond when you take how long they potentially could be at the club)
then it's Moreno all day long.

So people need to rethink and revalue how important that 'premier league experience' is really worth.

Dickerty · 29-05-2014 12:20PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Shaw has played more premier league games than Moreno has played la Liga

Ok, if we compare First Team games (including Europa for Moreno), there is only 2/3 games in it. So they are about equal.

FINE!

ThunbergsAreGo · 29-05-2014 12:29PM

Dickerty wrote: »

Ok, if we compare First Team games (including Europa for Moreno), there is only 2/3 games in it. So they are about equal.

FINE!

I get Shaw is young, but his output isnt actually that great in terms of stats. I do appreciate that stats dont say everything but it would make me wary particularly with the large price tag attached to him.

Sevilla is a much larger club then Southampton so while Shaw has the "adapting to the league" advantage, Moreno has the "adapting to a bigger club advantage"

Rayne Wooney · 29-05-2014 12:30PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

15 more games not much really.

Moreno also as won a EL and has one more cap for Spain than Shaw has for England.

Moreno has also more goals and assists than Shaw.

So you can make stats suit whatever way you want.

I was just pointing out a slight error, not turning into a Moreno v Shaw again

As I've said before Shaw is a lot better IMO, even at 30 million he's still better value than Moreno at 16 for me

Leaving the comparisons aside 16 million for Moreno is a good deal, Chelsea will be in for him though if they can't get Shaw, so I can't see Livepool getting him at that price

rob316 · 29-05-2014 12:31PM

livinginkorea wrote: »

Honestly, there is a lot to be said for getting proven Premiership players.

BR said he wants players to fit straight into the first team. Hope it happens

To be fair though the Spanish players generally adapt very well to the epl. If you want proven players and don't buy English, Spanish is the next best thing.

Dickerty · 29-05-2014 12:41PM

rob316 wrote: »

To be fair though the Spanish players generally adapt very well to the epl. If you want proven players and don't buy English, Spanish is the next best thing.

Not Scandanavian? Or Belgian??

Francie Barrett · 29-05-2014 12:42PM

rob316 wrote: »

To be fair though the Spanish players generally adapt very well to the epl. If you want proven players and don't buy English, Spanish is the next best thing.

Aspas and Alberto say hello :P

ThunbergsAreGo · 29-05-2014 12:44PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Aspas and Alberto say hello :P

Downing and Carroll wave right back

Oranage2 · 29-05-2014 12:44PM

French and German leagues have done alright too

yomtea98 · 29-05-2014 12:48PM

Brendo likes his error prone defenders doesn't he.

Knex* · 29-05-2014 12:49PM

yomtea98 wrote: »

Brendo likes his error prone defenders doesn't he.

Every defender is prone to the odd error from time to time, especially when young and/or adapting to a new league and country.

29-05-2014 12:50PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Shaw is absolute quality imo but so is Moreno.

For the fees being touted the Moreno for £16mil makes a hell of a lot more sense than Shaw at £25mil.

but not forgetting the all important factor when talking about new signings;wages.
Well I doubt if Moreno would be getting anywhere near the reported £120k a week that Shaw's being offered.

So over the term of a contract (and maybe way beyond when you take how long they potentially could be at the club)
then it's Moreno all day long.

So people need to rethink and revalue how important that 'premier league experience' is really worth.

It's always a risk when a foreign player is unproven in the premiership. Nothing to rethink. Shaw has proven it in this league. Moreno has not.

Not to knock his quality he looks a tasty player from the clips I have seen and 16 million would be a tidy purchase but it's Shaw all day long if comparing both.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

15 more games not much really.

Moreno also as won a EL and has one more cap for Spain than Shaw has for England.

Moreno has also more goals and assists than Shaw.

So you can make stats suit whatever way you want.

Moreno is 21, Shaw is 18.

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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