LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

unkel wrote: »

Nonsense! The tax is what makes proper luxobarges extremely cheap in penny wise pound foolish Ireland (still very much in a recession)

An '02 S500 with a full years test in good condition will set you back about €2 or €3k here (and about €10k or more on the continent). Drive it for a few years and the total cost of ownership (including Irish motor tax) will be lower than what it would have cost on the continent

Paid max tax for about a decade myself. At one point I was running 2 cars on max tax :eek:

Im comming around to your way of thinking .. bought a new golf in february this year .. has dropped about 6 grand in value ouch !!

If I was to buy an S class, it would be the 500 over the 320 every day, its even the same tax rate!

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-s500/6986555




Old school S500.

Claims to be 78k miles but a reg check on NCTS says its a PSV.

CianRyan wrote: »

Bought a Merc recently, has about 130,000 miles on the clock, the last NCT from 2006 it had about 240,000 miles. :pac:

Panzerkampfwagen forwaert! You won't kill it!

jimgoose wrote: »

Panzerkampfwagen forwaert! You won't kill it!

Say what?!

And eh, it was a group buy and I can definitely see us killing it. :pac:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/6923409

:eek:

At that price it needs a tax disc too... be a nice car to have all the same.

watching this thread like a hawk as I'm in the market for a luxobarge myself. .. I like the idea of a cl for that price but I'm not mad on the wooden dash .. (a common issue with this type of car). still, I couldn't resist posting it here, figured there would be some interest

I think the best way to look at it is through economies of scale. The UK has what, 50 million people?
So they are able to have lower rates as they will in turn still make a lot of money.
Ireland has 5 million or so, so our rates are calculated on this amount, I'd say if we had a higher population like the UK then our rates would probably be similar.
Or I'm talking utter ****e and out Government is a bastard

kupus wrote: »

MAybe its that government dont wnat heavy burners, after all the big houses that were built for 2-4 people burning up all the oil, the less heavy burners on the road the better as more money is not being sent out of the country.

Nonsense. Our motor tax is based on the size of the engine, not on usage. Nobody cares if you burn 10 litres per month in your 5l V8 or 100 litres in a "green hybrid" engined car.

kupus wrote: »

What is nonsense that speed limits were reduced to save on fuel usage? Look it up.

Speed limits were never lowered here in Ireland to save on fuel usage. The speed limits in general are too high (except motorways) in most circumstances in this country.

kupus wrote: »

I hope you are aware that...... a 5.0 S class will use more than a 1.0 yaris or a "green hybrid" engined car.

Yes, it will. But what I was saying is that you still pay the same amount of tax if you burn 10 litres of fuel or 100 litres. The tax is not based on usage. You may live your car parked on your driveway and use it once a month while still being charged the same amount if you were driving the car 24 hours per day round the clock.

kupus wrote: »

So the government are complying with kuato and getting the mass of people to get into smaller engine cars.

They not doing anything like you suggested. Yes, the huge rates put people off the large engined cars. But the only good thing the Government could do is to put all the car taxes based on usage, i.e. included them in fuel price.

Seweryn wrote: »

Speed limits were never lowered here in Ireland to save on fuel usage. The speed limits in general are too high (except motorways) in most circumstances in this country.

Irish roads are sh1te and in the past were a lot sh1tter, I remember a main road to dublin with more twists and turns than a snakes and ladders game.And thats not so long ago. So it was impossible to get to top speed barr in a few places. I will concede that Irish limits were never lowered (in my knowledge) to save on fuel, but had the roads being a decent standard Ireland may have reduced buts thats all maybe on behalf of my argument.

Yes, it will. But what I was saying is that you still pay the same amount of tax if you burn 10 litres of fuel or 100 litres. The tax is not based on usage. You may live your car parked on your driveway and use it once a month while still being charged the same amount if you were driving the car 24 hours per day round the clock.

Im talking about having to fuel cars in the now and the future. Ireland buys its fuel from outside, so this money is being spent outside of the country which has no benefit to Ireland, except for the bloodsuckers that are in that trade (I know them and they are not nice people with very shady business dealings and it only takes one person to raise the price of fuel that particular day,)
Now Ireland has to reduce its spending on outside fuel, think of a ledger book. imports and exports work the same way. THe more imports into a country, more money goes out. The more exports go out, the more money comes in. Ireland has no choice but to import fuel. But it can be reduced by getting people into smaller more fuel efficient cars.
which is why im saying MAYBE just maybe government are trying to get rid of gas guzzlers to reduce having to spend money outside.
be back for more...

They not doing anything like you suggested. Yes, the huge rates put people off the large engined cars. But the only good thing the Government could do is to put all the car taxes based on usage, i.e. included them in fuel price.

ryan101 wrote: »

How much money goes out of the country when a new car is bought ?

Most of it, barr taxes and duties. You maybe surprised to know that dealers made f all on their new cars being sold. In some cases only 500 euro. THeir main income was the parts, which I view as a completely different business.

And re using an old car is a lot more environmentally friendly than creating a new one.

Scrappage schemes encourage trade turnover, encouraging money transactions on behalf of simi traders and trickle down econmonics. Gives jobs to salesmen and dealers and jobs in the manufacturing of cars.
Using your old car does not do any of these things. In fact many of these bangers that were scrapped were perfect.



Above all I fundamentally disagree with taxing people who cannot afford newer cars at a much higher rate, but no surprise in a county that is not a democracy but a plutocracy.

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will be back later with more have to go and im a slow typist.