Carl Froch vs George Groves

Joeseph Balls · 18-05-2014 12:53PM

I'll be on a stag in Dublin for this. Anyone know of any pubs showing it? In the city centre. We're staying near O'Connell street.

T-K-O · 18-05-2014 01:29PM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I'll be on a stag in Dublin for this. Anyone know of any pubs showing it? In the city centre. We're staying near O'Connell street.

There is a pub on the top of O'Connel st, shows all the fights. I think the name is Frazers.

It's a watch the fight and move on type of pub.

Joeseph Balls · 18-05-2014 01:32PM

T-K-O wrote: »

There is a pub on the top of O'Connel st, shows all the fights. I think the name is Frazers.

It's a watch the fight and move on type of pub.

Sorta watch your back pub.
cheers

Henno30 · 18-05-2014 01:50PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ffHnzBNzw

unknown13 · 18-05-2014 02:46PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Hopefully the undercrad is of a good standard. Will be good to see Degale in action

Am I the only one who thinks DeGale is in a really hard fight on the undercard.

megadodge · 18-05-2014 04:02PM

unknown13 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks DeGale is in a really hard fight on the undercard.

No, you're not. I do too.

I suppose the other fight is getting all the hype, so this one is flying under the radar, but it's certainly no gimme. I might favour DeGale on points, but not with a massive amount of confidence.

Andrew Flexing · 18-05-2014 08:32PM

walshb wrote: »

I am hoping for a real ding dong battle. Would hate a quick KO for either man, or a sloppy and awkward sparring session. High octane edge of your seat stuff will do!

Who do you want to win and who do you think will?

I hope for Froch for a great KO but think Groves will win by KO

willmunny1990 · 18-05-2014 09:02PM

Groves has an advantage in the sense that he can change things around and learn from the mistakes he made the first time, where as Carl will struggle IMO.

Froch's head is in a better place this time I feel, mentally hes better off but stylistically the chances are he will be the exact same, very crude and very open to being out boxed or maybe even knocked out.

If Groves can stick to a game plan and not get dragged into a brawl I think he can easily win this on points, the question for me is does he have the engine? As long as Froch is in the ring he has a chance and will be very dangerous, there was evidence last time around that Groves was getting tired and was maybe running out of steam as Froch began to get to him and wear him down.

Its tough to call but i think Groves can do it, I think he'll win on points provided he doesn't do anything stupid like get dragged into a brawl or push the boat out too much. He has all the tools to do it.

Henno30 · 18-05-2014 09:08PM

Can Groves manage the distance all night against Froch? Going by the first fight he'll get beaten down if he can't exit the pocket quickly after exchanges.

wadacrack · 18-05-2014 09:35PM

Groves may tire at the end of teh fight and Froch might stop. This I think is Frochs more realistic way of winning the fight. I however think Groves will kcok him out between round 5-8

megadodge · 18-05-2014 10:13PM

I think it's much the same as the first fight, Froch late or Groves on points if he can hold Froch's late charge off. I think Groves does have stamina issues and this affects his gameplan, so it's really a case of surviving the last 4 rounds as I expect him to be ahead on points at that stage.

walshb · 19-05-2014 08:37AM

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

Who do you want to win and who do you think will?

I hope for Froch for a great KO but think Groves will win by KO

I want to see Groves win. willmunny1990s post sums it up best for me. It's Groves to lose. He is quicker and a better boxer. The only question is the physical/stamina and strength. Groves has the ability to really hurt Groves, but Froch to has the ability to hurt Groves. I just think that George's speed and better punching skills should see hi m win more rds. Can George still keep it up in the late rds when/if the fight is getting more rugged and bruising?

Johnnythefox4 · 19-05-2014 02:05PM

Anthony Joshua will risk his unbeaten record against the fearsome Matt Legg to kick off the bill

Matt has a devastating record of 7 wins, 3 of those by KO, and 2 losses, both by KO

I know Joshua has only had 5 fights, but does anyone else think that they should be stepping up the opponents now? What is he going to learn from another round 1 KO

walshb · 19-05-2014 02:23PM

Johnnythefox4 wrote: »

Anthony Joshua will risk his unbeaten record against the fearsome Matt Legg to kick off the bill

Matt has a devastating record of 7 wins, 3 of those by KO, and 2 losses, both by KO

I know Joshua has only had 5 fights, but does anyone else think that they should be stepping up the opponents now? What is he going to learn from another round 1 KO

Legg is very ordinary. Toney did a number on him a couple of months back in the prizefighter. Joshua should win easily. Joshua still has to take a good and clean shot to the chin. And, at HW almost all the lads can hurt when they connect clean. So even though it seems like a walkover, there is always that slight risk.

Stretch The Qunt · 19-05-2014 05:15PM

looking forward to this.

Deiseboy01 · 19-05-2014 08:23PM

Johnnythefox4 wrote: »

Anthony Joshua will risk his unbeaten record against the fearsome Matt Legg to kick off the bill

Matt has a devastating record of 7 wins, 3 of those by KO, and 2 losses, both by KO

I know Joshua has only had 5 fights, but does anyone else think that they should be stepping up the opponents now? What is he going to learn from another round 1 KO

I know what you're saying but he's young and didn't have a long amateur career so I can see both sides. Hearn did say he be ready for domestic titles this year though so all in good time.

kcimd · 20-05-2014 08:29AM

hope froch wins again,he's been a great champion,never ducks a challenge. i think he'll be a bit more cautious early rounds,then put the pressure on groves as the fight goes on. groves is not as calm as he was in the 1st fight build up,he's trying to unsettled froch with his antics but its not working this time. think this could also be a factor in the fight. no doubt groves will be a world champion one day but hopefully froch comes out on top again this time. it'll be another cracking fight either way

walshb · 20-05-2014 08:44AM

kcimd wrote: »

no doubt groves will be a world champion one day but hopefully froch comes out on top again this time. it'll be another cracking fight either way

Not sure how you can be so certain. He had his chance vs a fading Froch and didn't get the job done. You have Bika and Abraham as champions. Bika is a hard and tough nut, plus, who knows what the landscape will be like in 6-12 months. AA is beatable, no doubt. Groves still has to prove he can survive when in real deep waters.

kcimd · 20-05-2014 09:54AM

walshb wrote: »

Not sure how you can be so certain. He had his chance vs a fading Froch and didn't get the job done. You have Bika and Abraham as champions. Bika is a hard and tough nut, plus, who knows what the landscape will be like in 6-12 months. AA is beatable, no doubt. Groves still has to prove he can survive when in real deep waters.

true,nothing is certain,groves had his chance and nearly took it,he wasn't outboxed or outclassed in that fight. he is a very skillful boxer,fast hands,has power. he's 25 yrs old,i said he will be a champion one day,could be a year,3 years,5 years from now. but he is good enough to fight at world level. wouldn't say froch is fading fast,still think he has a few big fights left in him. and if he is fading fast and groves beats him this time then he'll be a world champion,but nothing is certain :-)

walshb · 20-05-2014 10:34AM

kcimd wrote: »

true,nothing is certain,groves had his chance and nearly took it,he wasn't outboxed or outclassed in that fight. he is a very skillful boxer,fast hands,has power. he's 25 yrs old,i said he will be a champion one day,could be a year,3 years,5 years from now. but he is good enough to fight at world level. wouldn't say froch is fading fast,still think he has a few big fights left in him. and if he is fading fast and groves beats him this time then he'll be a world champion,but nothing is certain :-)

Thing is, one fight can ruin a boxer. Did the first fight take a lot out of Groves? Maybe not, as he is taking the second fight and relishing it. And, what about this fight? If it's a bruiser, and Groves loses again?

kcimd · 20-05-2014 11:02AM

walshb wrote: »

Thing is, one fight can ruin a boxer. Did the first fight take a lot out of Groves? Maybe not, as he is taking the second fight and relishing it. And, what about this fight? If it's a bruiser, and Groves loses again?

think groves is young enough and cocky enough to come back from another defeat to froch,might take him a while to get over it but he is up against a great world champion after all and he doesn't believe he shouldve lost the first fight. think if it goes beyond 6 rounds it will turn into a proper battle. don't think the fight will start of like the last so groves should have more in the tank for later rounds but id still fancy froch if it goes beyond 6. if froch loses a bruiser it'll be harder for him to come back,where would he go after that. but defo think groves would be able to come back if he loses again, he's young,very good boxer and he'll want to be world champion so he'll pick himself up and after a few more wins he'd be back in title contention. but, C'mon froch

That_Guy · 20-05-2014 11:37AM

Probably too early to say but roughly what time do you expect the ring walks at?

walshb · 20-05-2014 11:46AM

That_Guy wrote: »

Probably too early to say but roughly what time do you expect the ring walks at?

Between 2300-2315 hrs I would say!

kcimd · 20-05-2014 11:48AM

That_Guy wrote: »

Probably too early to say but roughly what time do you expect the ring walks at?

something similar to the last one im guessing,that was about 10 o'clock wasn't it. 80,000 people so they'll have to have everyone out of the stadium on onto trains,busses cars by a certain time. 11:30 prob be last train

walshb · 20-05-2014 11:58AM

kcimd wrote: »

something similar to the last one im guessing,that was about 10 o'clock wasn't it. 80,000 people so they'll have to have everyone out of the stadium on onto trains,busses cars by a certain time. 11:30 prob be last train

Fight stared last time at 2250 hrs.

kcimd · 20-05-2014 12:00PM

walshb wrote: »

Fight stared last time at 2250 hrs.

sound,wasn't sure. think it'll be earlier this time though due to the London transport system. but not sure,must suss it out,im sure there's info up somewhere about what time they have to clear the stadium at

unknown13 · 20-05-2014 12:37PM

Think I heard 22.30 start time off Hearn but the running will be released next week, so we will see the exact time of the ring walks.

kcimd · 20-05-2014 02:54PM

unknown13 wrote: »

Think I heard 22.30 start time off Hearn but the running will be released next week, so we will see the exact time of the ring walks.

yeah had a quick scout on the net there,few unofficial posts about a 10:30 walk out,reckon it'll be in or around that time anyway

Strongbow10 · 20-05-2014 05:28PM

Groves wins this comfortably on points this time around.

I see no other outcome. He won't foolishly spend as much time in the pocket this time.

He gave Froch fits the last time before he got sloppy and over confident.

He will box his way to a unanimous decision this time.

Froch did not want this fight at all but being a fighting champion fair play, he took it rather than lose one of his titles.

kcimd · 20-05-2014 05:43PM

i think if groves wins it'll be within 6 rounds by stoppage, i fancy froch if it goes beyond 6 and cant see it going 12 rounds. Froch wont fight the same either, he'll be more cautious early on, might be a little cagey for a couple of rounds but eventually they'll go at each other. dont think it'll be comfortable for either fighter,both will be made work really hard in there, both will take big shots. fascinating fight really, theres so many ways it could start and so many twists and turns throughout the fight. groves isnt as calm as he was in the 1st fight build up, watched him on ringside and saw a clip of The Gloves are Off and he's trying to wind froch up but its not working this time. there's more pressure,more expectation and more known about groves now, he's not the underdog anymore, could be getting to him abit

Carl Froch vs George Groves

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