Manchester United Superthread 2014 mod warning #8081

bren2001 · 15-05-2014 10:02AM

bangkok wrote: »

Fergie and Conte were discussing the Evra transfer, juve want him

Evra is out of contract. The club have the option to extend but are not exercising the option.

kryogen · 15-05-2014 10:03AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

there is no "transfer", Evra is out of contract.

He definitely didn't sign the extension then?

I thought we would have heard more about his contract situation by now, him being the de facto captain like. Carrick too, did he sign a new deal or he is off on a free now?

wadacrack · 15-05-2014 10:03AM

Will van Persie be captain with Van gaals appointment

kryogen · 15-05-2014 10:04AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Will van Persie be captain with Van gaals appointment

I'd say he is going to make Vidal captain

Edit: Joking obviously, RVP would definitely be in with a shout I think, not too many candidates in the squad at the moment anyway

homerjay2005 · 15-05-2014 10:06AM

very weird to see Sky sitting in wait outside a hotel in London waiting for Woodward to arrive out of a black cab.

how do they even know where he is staying for f*ck sake?

Peanut Butter Jelly · 15-05-2014 10:07AM

I keep hearing about this "Public" investors call, so here comes a question from a finances noob, can people listen in to this call?

kryogen · 15-05-2014 10:07AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

very weird to see Sky sitting in wait outside a hotel in London waiting for Woodward to arrive out of a black cab.

how do they even know where he is staying for f*ck sake?

Seriously?

Peanut Butter Jelly · 15-05-2014 10:08AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

very weird to see Sky sitting in wait outside a hotel in London waiting for Woodward to arrive out of a black cab.

how do they even know where he is staying for f*ck sake?

It wasn't the hotel. It was their office in London where they are making today's financial announcements.

Cantona's Collars · 15-05-2014 10:08AM

Sky reported asking Luis about Giggs,the answer "Why don't you go and ask him".

adox · 15-05-2014 10:10AM

It smacks of amateurism imo.

Moyes gone nearly a month ago. Any club worth their salt would have most of the ground work done on a new manager before the sacking.

What ever the reasons are for the delay in announcing Van Gaal, it just sends out the wrong signals about the club, a continuation of its indecisiveness and appearance of not getting things done.

The right thing to do was decisive action, Moyes out and a new man in place.
It does smack of last summer.

Also its getting embarrassing watching Van Gaal having to answer questions and say ask Manchester Utd etc etc.

Seems to be the Utd way under the new regime.

Unearthly · 15-05-2014 10:10AM

He is obviously the next manager and movements are being made on the coaching and player side of things.

Official announcement delayed makes no difference

The_Kew_Tour · 15-05-2014 10:11AM

zerks wrote: »

Not sure if anyone mentioned that Park has retired from football.

Was great bit of stuff for us.

TheDoc · 15-05-2014 10:16AM

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

I keep hearing about this "Public" investors call, so here comes a question from a finances noob, can people listen in to this call?

Not exactly.

A Public Investor Call is typically done per quarter for organisation. The public refers to the trading/ownership status of the company. As we float on the stock market we are a PLC(Public Limited Company)

These calls are normally at the discretion of the board in regards to who can get in on this call.

Typically it is obviously the board, investors, analysts, newswires, select media etc. There will be a high level summary from Woodward on financial performance and any caveats to the figures, aswell as commenting on the projected outlook for the coming quarters.

It is normal in a summary like this, to address or disclose key factors or influences that might affect business positively or negatively for the current report, and the forthcoming ones this year.

For a company like MUFC, there will be newswire organisations there who will filter/sell the calls detail to other vendors, so I'd expect we will get the details throughout the afternoon and tomorrow of what took place.

Keeping in mind it was a quarterly report last year that indicated the clubs stance was that no major rework was needed to the squad, and the club had no financed for major squad reworks. This set the foundation and mentaility, from above, that the squad would have to do, and wholesale changes couldnt be made by Moyes.

The last quarterly report indicated a shift in this belief, with Woodward outlining the club forsee a number of exits and arrivals in the course of the summer.

Remember this is a public company with shareholders and investors. While obviously many won't have veto's or extential powers in how the club operates, as investors and shareholders they are entitled to be formed in detail of planned expenditure and potential short terms losses. This would be for example, estimated transfers.

So while there won't be direct football esque style announcements, if you can read through the report, you'll be able to see what the club are forecasting the next quarter, which considering contains a transfer window, will give an insight into what we are planning.

Shares for organisations usually fluctuate after a call like this, as people take different views on the data and either buy more or sell, selling for profit or because they think they are in a sinking ship. Be interesting to watch the stock value reaction over the next 24 hours.

kryogen · 15-05-2014 10:18AM

Anyone watch the Europa League final last night? How did Rakitic play? Only saw his sexy pass on the highlights but didnt watch the game itself

Lord TSC · 15-05-2014 10:20AM

My take.

Van Gaal is the United manager. He's already started making calls on ins (Shaw, possibly Strootman) and outs (Rio, Phil, Woods) at the club.

For whatever reason, the club haven't announced it; some will say it's cause we're messing about, but I'd take it that it's either...
1. Stuff has to be ironed out, and the reality is we shouldn't rush into another managerial appointment. Both sides should be fully aware of every aspect of the decision, and it's to the benefit of the club to not rush into things. No stupid "6 Year Contract" disaster.
2. There's something in his current contract that could be causing a delay in confirming it publicly, even though it's confirmed privately. (My worry here then is that we could face a scenario where it can't be publically confirmed until after the World Cup)

Neither worries me; it seems to be the worst kept secret he's getting/got the job.

However, some journalists want to get the "exclusive" of when he is signing, so keep putting out arbitrary dates and times he'll be announced. Eventually, one will be right and will claim to be all ITK while hoping everyong ignores how many times he was wrong; to help with this, every time they get it wrong, they make an utterly improvable excuse, citing "minor issues" or whatever.

Some people will want to jump on Woodward and co, and will use these excuses to suit their narrative and continue to hyperbole. The majority should realise it's football journalists trying to sell papers and look ITK and nothing should be trusted. Ignore these dates he'll "defiently be unveiled"

TheDoc · 15-05-2014 10:23AM

adox wrote: »

It smacks of amateurism imo.

Moyes gone nearly a month ago. Any club worth their salt would have most of the ground work done on a new manager before the sacking.

What ever the reasons are for the delay in announcing Van Gaal, it just sends out the wrong signals about the club, a continuation of its indecisiveness and appearance of not getting things done.

The right thing to do was decisive action, Moyes out and a new man in place.
It does smack of last summer.

Also its getting embarrassing watching Van Gaal having to answer questions and say ask Manchester Utd etc etc.

Seems to be the Utd way under the new regime.

Considering the main candidate and target is currently under contract preparing for a World Cup with a country who "feel" they are contenders, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume it will take slightly longer then a normal summer.

Not to mention that I am of the belief the club have contacted and explored multiple avenues along with Van Gaal. After the calamity this year it would be only proper order for the club to explore all targets regardless of likelyhood and await official responses.

Sometimes I have to question the realistic expectations and sometimes just blatant understanding of how the world works. This isn't Champion ship manager 01 where you throw loads of money at someone and watch them come on board when you click next. There is multiple moving parts to any deal, let alone trying to secure the signature of a high profile manager currently undergoing WC preperations.

As someone who was voicing calm and reason not so long ago about what we should expect in the coming summer, somewhat suprised your airing the "farce" stuff.

Not a week after the season has ended, barely a month after Moyes has departed...and lads expecting a new manager installed.

I don't know sometimes to be honest ......

aperture_nuig · 15-05-2014 10:27AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Was great bit of stuff for us.

Sure why not:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvRqZ7-8AAc

Great player for us, used to love seeing him come on against Arsenal

TheDoc · 15-05-2014 10:27AM

Also as a mentioned about two weeks ago, the more sensible journalists with United ties, indicated that the club want to have EVERYTHING sorted and organised before making an announcement.

The feeling was that the drib drab effect of last summer added to the difficulties, with Moyes arriving, then the existing coaches going, new ones coming in, etc etc.

The indication from MArk Ogden and others was that the club have indicated that the next appointment, all the finer details will be arranged before an announcement is made.

Existing staff let go, compensated, contractual obligations resolved.
New manager approached, negotiations with both himself and any interested party (ie Dutch FA)
Once manager agreed in principle indication of staff he requires. Discussions and negotiations to take place with them
Squad review and transfer target review and confirmation

Sorry your just on another planet if you think this happens quickly.

user2011 · 15-05-2014 10:38AM

Link for the earnings conference call if that's any good..

http://ir.manutd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=133303&p=irol-irhome

newballsplease · 15-05-2014 10:38AM

With Chris woods gone, Frans Hoek will be the new Goalkeeping coach. Worked with Ajax,Barca,Bayern and the dutch with LVG.
DDG can only get better!

bmcc10 · 15-05-2014 10:44AM

kryogen wrote: »

Anyone watch the Europa League final last night? How did Rakitic play? Only saw his sexy pass on the highlights but didnt watch the game itself

Played well he's a monster of a player has everything, He'll be one of the players we'll be saying we should have signed next year, Can't wait to watch him and Modric at the WC together.

adox · 15-05-2014 10:47AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Sometimes I have to question the realistic expectations and sometimes just blatant understanding of how the world works. This isn't Champion ship manager 01 where you throw loads of money at someone and watch them come on board when you click next. There is multiple moving parts to any deal, let alone trying to secure the signature of a high profile manager currently undergoing WC preperations.

That really is quite condescending.

kryogen · 15-05-2014 10:55AM

bmcc10 wrote: »

Played well he's a monster of a player has everything, He'll be one of the players we'll be saying we should have signed next year, Can't wait to watch him and Modric at the WC together.

Would be a big admirer of his alright, only heard a whisper a little while back he is on the radar, but not a top priority. Think he could be a super player for us.

bucketybuck · 15-05-2014 10:55AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Considering the main candidate and target is currently under contract preparing for a World Cup with a country who "feel" they are contenders, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume it will take slightly longer then a normal summer.

Considering the main candidate and target is currently under contract preparing for a World Cup you think he would want things sorted as soon as possible so he could go concentrate on the task at hand.

But I guess I am just one of those championship managers who doesn't understand how the world works. :rolleyes:

Mitch Connor · 15-05-2014 10:57AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

My take.

Van Gaal is the United manager. He's already started making calls on ins (Shaw, possibly Strootman) and outs (Rio, Phil, Woods) at the club.

For whatever reason, the club haven't announced it; some will say it's cause we're messing about, but I'd take it that it's either...
1. Stuff has to be ironed out, and the reality is we shouldn't rush into another managerial appointment. Both sides should be fully aware of every aspect of the decision, and it's to the benefit of the club to not rush into things. No stupid "6 Year Contract" disaster.
2. There's something in his current contract that could be causing a delay in confirming it publicly, even though it's confirmed privately. (My worry here then is that we could face a scenario where it can't be publically confirmed until after the World Cup)

Whatever about consulting on transfers etc and him doing work - he is categorically NOT the official United manager, no contract signed (though I believe it is agreed).

As soon as United officially appoint him as United manager they have to announce it immediately - the stock exchange rules demand it.

markcahill1985 · 15-05-2014 11:07AM

No problem with this delay for me really except for tha fact that if the Dutch struggle at the World Cup and/or Utd struggle next season then this drawn out process is one of the main reasons that is going to be dragged up again a la Moyes not taking over until July last year!

Felexicon · 15-05-2014 11:12AM

markcahill1985 wrote: »

No problem with this delay for me really except for tha fact that if the Dutch struggle at the World Cup and/or Utd struggle next season then this drawn out process is one of the main reasons that is going to be dragged up again a la Moyes not taking over until July last year!

While that is a possibility, with the offer for Shaw going in so early it does suggest that conversations are being held in the background and United are getting the ball rolling early. The problem with last year was we sat around scratching our hoops until Moyes was officially announced and by then it was too late to make the signings required

TheDoc · 15-05-2014 11:12AM

adox wrote: »

That really is quite condescending.

How so?

I simply just don't get how people can completely ignore reality and expect things to happen instantly.

Appreciate the media isn't helping with constantly pushing out false dates that is pure speculation on their part, but it's as if people are throwing their arms in the air shouting" What can possibly be the hold up".

When quiet obviously there is plenty to be sorted out before an announcement is made.

And I'm just responding on the basis that the club again is being unfarely labelled farsical or "amateurish". I actually think it's a good step and proffesional, to be performing proper due dilligence and having all the cogs in place for when the announcement is made. So there is no lingering questions or doubts over coaching positions or this or that.

There needs to be appreciation that this needs to work comfortably for LVG aswell. When this announcement comes out, I'm sure he will make a brief statement where he can laud of whats happening, then back to Holland. He would not want a situation where he's being unveiled and then answering waves of questions about Giggs, coaching positions and all that stuff.

Being condascending wasn't the intention, but sometimes I do bawk at peoples expectations or understanding at how somethings happen.

for example, if LVG was announced a week after Moyes departure, I'd be asking questions as to why the club didn't explore an array of candidates regardless of situation and garner an official response. I don't think this whole time it's been LVG discussions. I'd imagine other people were in the mix, might have rejected any approach quickly, but the approach had to be made.

RobertKK · 15-05-2014 11:13AM

Good results for United.

Earnings per share of £0.08 a beat by £0.02 with revenue of £115.5 million a beat by £10.55 million. Revenue up 25.9% year on year.

Ed Woodward doing a great job with the finances.

TheDoc · 15-05-2014 11:15AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Considering the main candidate and target is currently under contract preparing for a World Cup you think he would want things sorted as soon as possible so he could go concentrate on the task at hand.

But I guess I am just one of those championship managers who doesn't understand how the world works. :rolleyes:

concentrating at the task at hand ensures that all the due dilligence and finder details are done and dusted.

Contracts, any settlements or payments if required, staff and their conditions etc.

I'm pretty sure all parties would rather wait a few days for definitive concrete structures and agreements, rather than rush an announcement and then field questions in every presser he sits at with "Is Ryan Giggs coming on board?" "Who is your staff?" and all that sort of stuff.

It needs to be done in a concise, closed ended way so that his press conferences and public appearances can be focused on holland, and not answering questions on wether or not he's keeping Giggs.

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