Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

brevity · 15-05-2014 08:20AM

Surely with Swansea stagnating a bit Bony might be thinking of a move elsewhere. Wouldn't be a bad option off the bench.

rob316 · 15-05-2014 08:20AM

It would be very hard to find a striker better than Borini happy to sit on the bench for majority of the games, Im not even sure that is something Borini even wants to do. In an ideal world you would love to have someone like Edin Dzeko happy to sit on your bench like City do.

dixiefly · 15-05-2014 08:22AM

glued wrote: »

I'd say Gerrard, like most professional footballers, would be fairly immune to abuse at this stage. Particularly, light hearted banter like this.

The whole goal was probably to just wind a few Liverpool fans up and obviously its worked.

As a Man United supporter I had a very very slight snigger at this but, overall, I think it was pretty pathetic.

How much would it have cost these guys to rent the plane and pay for the banner? Significant enough I would say.

That money could easily have been given to a charity. Slagging is a bit of fun but, no matter how wealthy I was, I wouldnt be stupid enough to waste my money on something like this.

ThunbergsAreGo · 15-05-2014 08:22AM

Thought Aspas outshone Borini yesterday actually, Borini looked really short of pace

Agueroooo · 15-05-2014 08:26AM

was at the game yesterday so now looking forward to watching the highlights..all links appreciated.

It was all a bit meh top be honest....

Ibe: stood out but still a bit raw especially in front of goal but has everything in the locker to become a first team player in the very near future

Aspas: Brendan Rodgers, scouts, I dont know have to take a big slice of responsibility when it comes to Aspas failure to hit the desired level of performance.
I made a point of watching him yesterday and I must say he is the ultimate 'fox in the box' player and does it very very well.
his movement off the ball in and around the 18yrd box is top drawer, and on many occasions he was in great positions when a square ball was all that was required for a goal.
trying to involve him in build up play outside the 18yd box was never, or going to be his strengths as he is very light, but yet he is expected to.
In fairness to him he laid off a few good passes but got knocked off the ball way too easily.
In the 6yrd box the guy can turn, or one touch finish for fun.

Allen:different gravy.

Kelly:done OK but im afraid he is not going to get back to the level where he was breaking into the first team

Lucas: fine. but it was against Shamrock Rovers

Borini done good.done bad. typical Borini

Paez: impressed me and at 19 really could surprise a few.

rest: was delighted to see Brannagan who done OK. Jack Dunne took his goal well, and Tex was impressive as ever.

machiavellianme · 15-05-2014 08:26AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Thought Aspas outshone Borini yesterday actually, Borini looked really short of pace

He would do, he and 1 or two others kept Sunderland up against the odds.
Iago merely filled a few minutes at the end of games a handful of times all season. If he hasn't more in the tank, you'd be worried.

hefferboi · 15-05-2014 08:31AM

dixiefly wrote: »

As a Man United supporter I had a very very slight snigger at this but, overall, I think it was pretty pathetic.

How much would it have cost these guys to rent the plane and pay for the banner? Significant enough I would say.

That money could easily have been given to a charity. Slagging is a bit of fun but, no matter how wealthy I was, I wouldnt be stupid enough to waste my money on something like this.

It would probably cost around 700 euro.....

Iused2likebusts · 15-05-2014 08:32AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Found this very interesting, said id post it in a few of the relevant soccer threads, see what ye think.

This is the table of Premier League's top scorers (top 15):
1. Suarez - 31
2. Sturridge - 21
3. Toure - 20
4. Rooney - 17
4. Aguero - 17
6. Bony - 16
6. Dzeko - 16
6. Giroud - 16
9. Lukaku - 15
9. Rodriguez - 15
11. Hazard - 14
11. Remy - 14
13. Gerrard - 13
13. Lambert - 13
14. Van Persie -12

Now, when you look at how many of these player's goals were actually game-changing goals (a goal scored when behind, an equaliser or a goal scored to go 1 up) you see a very different table. Percentage of goals scored that were game changing is in brackets.

1. Sturridge - 13 (62%)
2. Bony - 12 (75%)
3. Rooney - 11 (65%)
3. Giroud - 11 (69%)
3. Remy - 11 (78%)
6. Aguero - 10 (59%)
6. Hazard - 10 (71%)
6. Lukaku - 10 (66%)
6. Gerrard - 10 (77%)
6. Van Persie - 10 (83%)
11. Dzeko - 9 (58%)
11. Suarez - 9 (29%)
11. Rodriguez - 9 (60%)
14. Toure - 6 (30%)
15. Lambert - 5 (38%)

So Sturridge scored the most important goals, followed by Bony.

Amazingly 10 players scored more important goals than the Player of the Year Luis Suarez, and 13 players scored more important goals than Yaya Toure.

83% of the time Van Persie scored was an important goal, itd make you wonder what if he'd been fit all season.

Itd also make you wonder was Suarez worth his Player of the Year award?

It makes no difference to POTY whatsoever.
Suarez missed the first 5 games sturridge scored 4 goals in those 5 games and all those goals were the so called important goals.
However a more telling stat is that liverpool scored 5 goals in those first 5 games without suarez an average of 1 a game and 96 goals in the next 33 games with suarez just off 3 goals a game.
The more goals your team score and the more goals an individual player score will diminish your chances of scoring these so called important goals.
Lets say suarez scores a goal to beat Arsenal 1 0 in a game his important goals stat will be improved this way. The alternative he scores a hat trick in a 3 0 win to beat arsenal a much more impressive feat but now 2 of those goals arent important goals. Its a useless stat IMO

Agueroooo · 15-05-2014 08:34AM

these ' game changer goals' or ' most important goal ' stats are up there with some of the most ridiculous of them all.

EVERY GOAL changes a games dynamic. every goal !

15-05-2014 08:36AM

Is that post in every thread?

murpho999 · 15-05-2014 08:36AM

hefferboi wrote: »

Can you come up with anyone who'd offer this and be willing to sit on the bench for the majority of the season?

Fabio will come on and work like a dog for the 20 or so minutes he gets. He'll stretch defences and will defend when he needs to. His attitude is perfect, his talent is there too, imo, and you'll struggle to find a better 3rd striker option.

rob316 wrote: »

It would be very hard to find a striker better than Borini happy to sit on the bench for majority of the games, Im not even sure that is something Borini even wants to do. In an ideal world you would love to have someone like Edin Dzeko happy to sit on your bench like City do.

Next season we will have a lot more games with the CL so a third striker will get more game time and it needs to a quality player as we want to win games in the cups as well.

whatawaster · 15-05-2014 08:39AM

Build from the front. Goals win games

Attack

Bring back Borini, sell Aspas, bring in two players.

Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho, Lallana (or another), Konoplyanka (or another), Borini, Ibe

That's 8 players for the front 4 positions. More when you consider that Henderson/Allen will sometimes play as part of a midfield 3, meaning only 3 forward positions need to be filled by the above.

We already have one of the best starting XI attacks in Europe
£40 million and we will have one that can withstand all but the very worst injury crises, one that can challenge both in the PL and the CL and one that has plenty of scope to improve over the next 4/5 years.

Midfield

Bring in one defensive player. Keep everyone else.

Gerrard, NEW, Henderson, Allen, Lucas. Supplemented by Coutinho/Lallana/Sterling when playing a midfield 3

Defense

Sell Johnson. Bring in at least one fullback.

NEW FB, Flanagan, Wisdom/Ilori, Sakho, Skrtel, Agger, Toure, Enrique

Ideally, I'd replace one of Skrtel/Agger/Toure with a new centre-back.

ush · 15-05-2014 08:39AM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Aspas: Brendan Rodgers, scouts, I dont know have to take a big slice of responsibility when it comes to Aspas failure to hit the desired level of performance.
I made a point of watching him yesterday and I must say he is the ultimate 'fox in the box' player and does it very very well.
his movement off the ball in and around the 18yrd box is top drawer, and on many occasions he was in great positions when a square ball was all that was required for a goal.
trying to involve him in build up play outside the 18yd box was never, or going to be his strengths as he is very light, but yet he is expected to.
In fairness to him he laid off a few good passes but got knocked off the ball way too easily.
In the 6yrd box the guy can turn, or one touch finish for fun.

Aspas was never gonna get a look in, once Sturridge and Suarez went on their run of form. I've seen Aspas play in a pre-season friendly and I thought the same as you. Fox in the box. He'll be a starter for a midtable Spanish team and bag a dozen goals or so. Aspas could play a part for us next season, but I doubt he's willing to sit on the bench as much as he'll have to.

amber69 · 15-05-2014 08:40AM

The game is replayed on LFCTV sky channel 429 at 10 this morning.

whatawaster · 15-05-2014 08:41AM

When you're Liverpool 2013/2014 - the 3rd/4th goal are just as important as the first. You will probably need every one of them.

gimli2112 · 15-05-2014 08:41AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Is that post in every thread?

He should hire a plane and attach it to a banner

15-05-2014 08:50AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

He should hire a plane and attach it to a banner

Fly it over the opening ceremony at the world cup

MD1990 · 15-05-2014 09:02AM

Im happy to see Enrique not been mentioned as a player who could leave. He was a big loss during the season & his link up with Suarez is very good.

Dickerty · 15-05-2014 09:09AM

whatawaster wrote: »

Ideally, I'd replace one of Skrtel/Agger/Toure with a new centre-back.

Garay. He was very good last night, and has beenm consistantly good for a few seaosns now. At 27, he's ready to go straight in alongside Sakho to create a very strong, quick and mean defense...

Super-Rush · 15-05-2014 09:14AM

So despite coming out a few weeks ago and saying he didn't want to go anywhere, Sky are running a story that Suarez is focusing on the world cup and won't comment on a potential move to Barca or Real.

Francie Barrett · 15-05-2014 09:19AM

If we're going to be bringing in another attacker and with Ibe looking so impressive, then it's clear that either Aspas or Borini will be shipped out. If that's the choice, then you'd have to be looking at holding onto Borini. To be in the relegation battle that he found himself in and to survive shows a strong mental fortitude which for me is a key attribute a player must show to play for this club.

googled eyes · 15-05-2014 09:21AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

This is the table of Premier League's top scorers (top 15):
1. Suarez - 31
2. Sturridge - 21
3. Toure - 20
4. Rooney - 17
4. Aguero - 17
6. Bony - 16
6. Dzeko - 16
6. Giroud - 16
9. Lukaku - 15
9. Rodriguez - 15
11. Hazard - 14
11. Remy - 14
13. Gerrard - 13
13. Lambert - 13
14. Van Persie -12

1. Sturridge - 13 (62%)
2. Bony - 12 (75%)
3. Rooney - 11 (65%)
3. Giroud - 11 (69%)
3. Remy - 11 (78%)
6. Aguero - 10 (59%)
6. Hazard - 10 (71%)
6. Lukaku - 10 (66%)
6. Gerrard - 10 (77%)
6. Van Persie - 10 (83%)

11. Dzeko - 9 (58%)
11. Suarez - 9 (29%)
11. Rodriguez - 9 (60%)
14. Toure - 6 (30%)
15. Lambert - 5 (38%)

So Sturridge scored the most important goals, followed by Bony.

So what you're saying is, when rival fans claim we'd be nowhere with out Suarez's goals that it's complete and utter crap and we should ignore them?

Thanks very much for clearing that up

djPSB · 15-05-2014 09:21AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If we're going to be bringing in another attacker and with Ibe looking so impressive, then it's clear that either Aspas or Borini will be shipped out. If that's the choice, then you'd have to be looking at holding onto Borini. To be in the relegation battle that he found himself in and to survive shows a strong mental fortitude which for me is a key attribute a player must show to play for this club.

Would Ibe get more benefit from another loan deal?

Knex* · 15-05-2014 09:23AM

googled eyes wrote: »

So what you're saying is, when rival fans claim we'd be nowhere with out Suarez's goals that it's complete and utter crap and we should ignore them?

Thanks very much for clearing that up

:pac:

gafferino · 15-05-2014 09:30AM

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/162972-rodgers-our-criteria-for-summer-dealings

"Our criteria that we look for is players with strong technique and football intelligence," said the 41-year-old.

"They need to mentally have the attitude and the capacity to learn. And they have to be so hungry to fight for every ball on every day in training and in the game.

"You'll get some players who are specialists and who need to play in particular positions, but if we can get players in who are multi-functional, and can play in different roles and are multi-dimensional in their work, it sets us up and gives me more options as a coach."

15-05-2014 09:31AM

googled eyes wrote: »

So what you're saying is, when rival fans claim we'd be nowhere with out Suarez's goals that it's complete and utter crap and we should ignore them?

Thanks very much for clearing that up

Its clear he's not actually needed

SlickRic · 15-05-2014 09:32AM

googled eyes wrote: »

So what you're saying is, when rival fans claim we'd be nowhere with out Suarez's goals that it's complete and utter crap and we should ignore them?

Thanks very much for clearing that up

genius.

Nuri Sahin · 15-05-2014 09:33AM

The Borini issue is like the Reina one for me. If your clamoring for Reina to return and offer competition for Mignolet, expecting him being content with biding his time on the bench till he gets his opportunity, all the while when he should be coming into the peak of his career (I think that's well and truly gone, but go with me here) well your living in the clouds frankly. It's just not going to happen like that. How many clubs have a pair what many consider top quality goalkeepers to call upon? Real Madrid? Sure. Then who?

Same applies to those who believe we can easily upgrade on Borini for a top quality player who will be predominately a bench player, which is what it comes across from those advocating getting rid of Borini. Very, very few clubs have a potentially or currently top quality third striker. In the EPL, Manchester City and United can argue they do, them aside... errr, yeah. If Borini is content with fighting for his place for one more season, we could do a lot worse. The kid has shown he is a man for the big occasion too, and considering the chances we create compared to when he first moved here where everything was a bit patchy offensively with the tiki taka malarkey.

Unless he wants to leave, there are far more pressing issues to be dealing with in improving the squad, namely starting XI.

Raif Severance · 15-05-2014 09:33AM

gafferino wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/162972-rodgers-our-criteria-for-summer-dealings

"Our criteria that we look for is players with strong technique and football intelligence," said the 41-year-old.

"They need to mentally have the attitude and the capacity to learn. And they have to be so hungry to fight for every ball on every day in training and in the game.

"You'll get some players who are specialists and who need to play in particular positions, but if we can get players in who are multi-functional, and can play in different roles and are multi-dimensional in their work, it sets us up and gives me more options as a coach."

The Last Line screams Lallana to me. I guess that's that.

SlickRic · 15-05-2014 09:34AM

Borini staying as a 3rd/4th striker, if he's willing, is a complete abd utter no-brainer.

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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