Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

Agent Coulson · 15-05-2014 01:06AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Was Sturridge more worthy?

Can you find out who set up all of Sturridges goals that lead to winners of equalizers.

I'd find that interesting if it was the same person or people who were scoring the so called unimportant goals in games.

Agent Coulson · 15-05-2014 01:12AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Found this very interesting, said id post it in a few of the relevant soccer threads, see what ye think.

This is the table of Premier League's top scorers (top 15):
1. Suarez - 31
2. Sturridge - 21
3. Toure - 20
4. Rooney - 17
4. Aguero - 17
6. Bony - 16
6. Dzeko - 16
6. Giroud - 16
9. Lukaku - 15
9. Rodriguez - 15
11. Hazard - 14
11. Remy - 14
13. Gerrard - 13
13. Lambert - 13
14. Van Persie -12

Now, when you look at how many of these player's goals were actually game-changing goals (a goal scored when behind, an equaliser or a goal scored to go 1 up) you see a very different table. Percentage of goals scored that were game changing is in brackets.

1. Sturridge - 13 (62%)
2. Bony - 12 (75%)
3. Rooney - 11 (65%)
3. Giroud - 11 (69%)
3. Remy - 11 (78%)
6. Aguero - 10 (59%)
6. Hazard - 10 (71%)
6. Lukaku - 10 (66%)
6. Gerrard - 10 (77%)
6. Van Persie - 10 (83%)
11. Dzeko - 9 (58%)
11. Suarez - 9 (29%)
11. Rodriguez - 9 (60%)
14. Toure - 6 (30%)
15. Lambert - 5 (38%)

So Sturridge scored the most important goals, followed by Bony.

Amazingly 10 players scored more important goals than the Player of the Year Luis Suarez, and 13 players scored more important goals than Yaya Toure.

83% of the time Van Persie scored was an important goal, itd make you wonder what if he'd been fit all season.

Itd also make you wonder was Suarez worth his Player of the Year award?

I think you missed spamming this in a few threads.

You only managed to post it in 5 different threads.

Maybe you should have just started you own thread with that post instead of posting it in every superthread.

MaroonAndGreen · 15-05-2014 01:14AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I think you missed spamming this in a few threads.

You only managed to post it in 5 different threads.

Maybe you should have just started you own thread with that post instead of posting it in every superthread.

Didnt think it was a big enough topic to begin a thread really

Agent Coulson · 15-05-2014 01:16AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Didnt think it was a big enough topic to begin a thread really

But yet you felt the need to post it 5 different threads.

MaroonAndGreen · 15-05-2014 01:17AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

But yet you felt the need to post it 5 different threads.

Get over it

~Rebel~ · 15-05-2014 01:17AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Found this very interesting, said id post it in a few of the relevant soccer threads, see what ye think.

This is the table of Premier League's top scorers (top 15):

<snip>

So Sturridge scored the most important goals, followed by Bony.

Amazingly 10 players scored more important goals than the Player of the Year Luis Suarez, and 13 players scored more important goals than Yaya Toure.

83% of the time Van Persie scored was an important goal, itd make you wonder what if he'd been fit all season.

Itd also make you wonder was Suarez worth his Player of the Year award?

Interesting alright, though I guess when a team is scoring so many goals, far fewer of them are important. Given that we went ahead and stayed ahead the majority of our games, there were fewer "key goals" (like equalisers, or retaking the lead) available. I would also bet that if you looked at the 12 Sturridge goals, that Suarez played a hand in quite a few of them.

Definitely worth his Player of the Year without doubt - he didn't just win it for a ridiculous number of goals, he's also got 12 assists, god knows how many secondary assists, and consistently imposes himself on every game he plays through sheer force of will.

Agent Coulson · 15-05-2014 01:18AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Get over it

Why you're the one posting it in every thread you seem to have the issue.

MaroonAndGreen · 15-05-2014 01:20AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Why you're the one posting it in every thread you seem to have the issue.

Sorry its frustrated you, hope your ok

Utopia Parkway · 15-05-2014 01:20AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Found this very interesting, said id post it in a few of the relevant soccer threads, see what ye think.

This is the table of Premier League's top scorers (top 15):
1. Suarez - 31
2. Sturridge - 21
3. Toure - 20
4. Rooney - 17
4. Aguero - 17
6. Bony - 16
6. Dzeko - 16
6. Giroud - 16
9. Lukaku - 15
9. Rodriguez - 15
11. Hazard - 14
11. Remy - 14
13. Gerrard - 13
13. Lambert - 13
14. Van Persie -12

Now, when you look at how many of these player's goals were actually game-changing goals (a goal scored when behind, an equaliser or a goal scored to go 1 up) you see a very different table. Percentage of goals scored that were game changing is in brackets.

1. Sturridge - 13 (62%)
2. Bony - 12 (75%)
3. Rooney - 11 (65%)
3. Giroud - 11 (69%)
3. Remy - 11 (78%)
6. Aguero - 10 (59%)
6. Hazard - 10 (71%)
6. Lukaku - 10 (66%)
6. Gerrard - 10 (77%)
6. Van Persie - 10 (83%)
11. Dzeko - 9 (58%)
11. Suarez - 9 (29%)
11. Rodriguez - 9 (60%)
14. Toure - 6 (30%)
15. Lambert - 5 (38%)

So Sturridge scored the most important goals, followed by Bony.

Amazingly 10 players scored more important goals than the Player of the Year Luis Suarez, and 13 players scored more important goals than Yaya Toure.

83% of the time Van Persie scored was an important goal, itd make you wonder what if he'd been fit all season.

Itd also make you wonder was Suarez worth his Player of the Year award?

Miguel Delaney is always banging on about goals that win points. I don't read much into it myself as I believe it's nothing more than a statistical coincidence over the course of a season. Which is just as likely to be reversed the following season.

Agent Coulson · 15-05-2014 01:22AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Sorry its frustrated you, hope your ok

I'm fine but you missed out on posting it the City thread.

You might as well go spam them as well.

darced · 15-05-2014 01:22AM

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MaroonAndGreen · 15-05-2014 01:24AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'm fine but you missed out on posting it the City thread.

You might as well go spam them as well.

Ah fcuk it how did I miss that? Im gone on my phone now so cant do it, will ya do it for me there ? Good man.

Gbear · 15-05-2014 01:32AM

daithijjj wrote: »

Schalke sold Rakitic and Ozil for a combined total of 6.8m euro. Maybe we should shop there.

Draxler and Meyer for €7.50 and lifetime supply of hugs, please!

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Miguel Delaney is always banging on about goals that win points. I don't read much into it myself as I believe it's nothing more than a statistical coincidence over the course of a season. Which is just as likely to be reversed the following season.

Even more importantly, we're probably the team that needs the most number of goals to win games.

If we don't get that 4th and 5th goal at 3-1 there's a very high chance we'll bungle it.

darced · 15-05-2014 01:36AM

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MaroonAndGreen · 15-05-2014 01:38AM

darced wrote: »

I just had a quick look at Sturridge's goals this season,Suarez set him up six times,four were tap ins.

Thats the problem with the stat, doesnt take assists into account

NukaCola · 15-05-2014 01:46AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Now, when you look at how many of these player's goals were actually game-changing goals (a goal scored when behind, an equaliser or a goal scored to go 1 up) you see a very different table.

All goals are important. Goals scored to go 2 goals clear in a game aren't taken into account as important or game changing? Doesn't make much sense to me.....

Its interesting all right, but completely pointless all the same.

simongurnick · 15-05-2014 02:20AM

NukaCola wrote: »

All goals are important. Goals scored to go 2 goals clear in a game aren't taken into account as important or game changing? Doesn't make much sense to me.....

Its interesting all right, but completely pointless all the same.

Also, doesn't capture the context of a game. Even a third goal when a team is 2-0 up can be crucial if the team is starting to wilt.

DaveSuarez · 15-05-2014 04:14AM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Itd also make you wonder was Suarez worth his Player of the Year award?

No it wouldn't.

Nuri Sahin · 15-05-2014 07:19AM

I'm a tad out of the loop, but is get over it the new panda/Kate Cohen/wrestling thing around here? It seems to be.

Augmerson · 15-05-2014 07:23AM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

I'm a tad out of the loop, but is get over it the new panda/Kate Cohen/wrestling thing around here? It seems to be.

Get over it as a response to critiscm for spamming threads with other people's nonsense "stats" will never be on par with pandas.

Dickerty · 15-05-2014 07:24AM

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

I'm a tad out of the loop, but is get over it the new panda/Kate Cohen/wrestling thing around here? It seems to be.

I haven't even caught up on the panda thing. It seems I need to post late at night more often.

So who saw the full match? Any surprise stand-outs? 4 decent finishes, it seems like Ibe was very impressive - as Rodgers said, he just needs to work on his finishing, and his defensive play. He can hurt ANY team, will be a cracking bench option against a team on the back foot...

hefferboi · 15-05-2014 07:28AM

darced wrote: »

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Borini was playing in a side who, by all rights, should have been relegated. He scored 4 goals in the relegation run in and helped them stay up in a massive way. He's scored against Chelsea twice, Newcastle twice (Sunderland's biggest games of the season), United once and against City in the League Cup final, all while playing out of position.

He'll be a perfect option to bring on from the bench next season and as a rotation player and hopefully makes a claim for a starting spot.

What a difference a year makes, though. This time last year the majority were taking the pis5 out of him, now the majority want him kept. Just goes to show the idiocy of judging a player early on in his career.

Dickerty · 15-05-2014 07:41AM

hefferboi wrote: »

Borini was playing in a side who, by all rights, should have been relegated. He scored 4 goals in the relegation run in and helped them stay up in a massive way. He's scored against Chelsea twice, Newcastle twice (Sunderland's biggest games of the season), United once and against City in the League Cup final, all while playing out of position.

He'll be a perfect option to bring on from the bench next season and as a rotation player and hopefully makes a claim for a starting spot.

What a difference a year makes, though. This time last year the majority were taking the pis5 out of him, now the majority want him kept. Just goes to show the idiocy of judging a player early on in his career.

It also shows the main benefit of the loan system - get to see what a player is made of when relied upon every week, and how their fitness/form holds up, and ability to play different styles, etc...

murpho999 · 15-05-2014 08:02AM

Mmm..I am not convinced that a few goals at Sunderland makes Boriini the level that we want, I think we should be aiming higher.

ush · 15-05-2014 08:03AM

hangballlouie wrote: »

There might be more people with that view, but I've not seen anybody else have the opinion that Aspas looks to have more about him than Borini.

We haven't seen enough of Aspas to be making calls like that. Had it been the other way around, Borini staying at Anfield and Aspas going on loan, we could well be saying Aspas has more about him than Borini.

Borini has had a good season in a relegation threatened side. Aspas did an even better job with Celta Vigo the season before.

ush · 15-05-2014 08:04AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Mmm..I am not convinced that a few goals at Sunderland makes Boriini the level that we want, I think we should be aiming higher.

Borini offers enough to be 3rd or 4th placed striker behind Sturridge and Suarez (assuming he stays).

whatawaster · 15-05-2014 08:05AM

Was at the game last night and have to say it was hugely impressive in its own way.

The workrate from the likes of Allen, Borini & Ibe was staggering, when they'd be forgiven for having their minds on their summer holidays. It was a very professional performance, when, in the past, I've been used to Liverpool teams not showing up for these matches, resulting in drab encounters.

Ibe was very good, would love to see him around next season as a squad player.

murpho999 · 15-05-2014 08:07AM

ush wrote: »

Borini offers enough to be 3rd or 4th placed striker behind Sturridge and Suarez (assuming he stays).

This seems to me to be a quantity over quality thing.

I think we need a better bench and a 3rd striker of higher quality than Borini. Need someone who can change a game when we need a goal. Don't think Borini is that.

ush · 15-05-2014 08:12AM

murpho999 wrote: »

This seems to me to be a quantity over quality thing.

I think we need a better bench and a 3rd striker of higher quality than Borini. Need someone who can change a game when we need a goal. Don't think Borini is that.

Fair enough. I hope Liverpool will be buying a player that has the ability to be another 20 goal a season striker. Borini doesn't fit that description. Although we're gonna need a hardworking Kuyt-like striker. Especially with European Cup matches coming up.

hefferboi · 15-05-2014 08:16AM

murpho999 wrote: »

This seems to me to be a quantity over quality thing.

I think we need a better bench and a 3rd striker of higher quality than Borini. Need someone who can change a game when we need a goal. Don't think Borini is that.

Can you come up with anyone who'd offer this and be willing to sit on the bench for the majority of the season?

Fabio will come on and work like a dog for the 20 or so minutes he gets. He'll stretch defences and will defend when he needs to. His attitude is perfect, his talent is there too, imo, and you'll struggle to find a better 3rd striker option.

Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

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