Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread Summer 2014 - Mod Warning post #6893

Devilman40k · 14-05-2014 10:22AM

Morzadec wrote: »

I used to subscribe to this view.

Then Andy Carroll for 35m happened

You forget the qualifier...Damien Comoli...I wouldn't trust him with a transfer budget of 35p nevermind £35m

rob316 · 14-05-2014 10:23AM

asdfgh86 wrote: »

That wasn't Rodgers. On the other hand, Aspas, Moses, Alberto

Rodgers would never buy a limited player like Carroll for 10m never mind 35m. Aspas, Moses and Alberto were bargain basement buys, sometimes they work sometimes they don't.

slingerz · 14-05-2014 10:24AM

5live wrote: »

A question on Lallana.

Why was he the most subbed player for Southampton last year?

Was it tiredness, change of formation, what was he taken off for generally?

Southampton play a high pressing game which often saw Lallana chasing shadows around the back 4.

Not everyone can have Jordan Henderson levels of endurance plus they had Ramirez as a replacement option on the bench

Knex* · 14-05-2014 10:24AM

5live wrote: »

A question on Lallana.

Why was he the most subbed player for Southampton last year?

Was it tiredness, change of formation, what was he taken off for generally?

His hair gel only lasts 70 minutes. He'll have to get onto Henderson and sort that out.

NukaCola · 14-05-2014 10:24AM

slingerz wrote: »

As i recall there wasnt half as much consternation around the Mhiktyaran price last summer and I reckon Lallana to be every bit as good if not better than him

Thats a ringing endorsement but I cannot agree. Mkhitaryan is a step above Lallana, is much more proven and experienced, has 40+ caps for his country, has played CL football, has regularly performed at the top level and is younger than Lallana.

mike65 · 14-05-2014 10:27AM

5live wrote: »

A question on Lallana.

Why was he the most subbed player for Southampton last year?

Was it tiredness, change of formation, what was he taken off for generally?

This might be the reason

Covers a lot of ground and at the highest average speed (and there was me just saying he is not a pace merchant!) over 1800 "sprint" events in 33 games

smileyj1987 · 14-05-2014 10:28AM

To be fair lads why are prices and figures being quoted . I don't give a damn about who BR buys . I just want him to get the players that fit his plan best and I'm happy .

Morzadec · 14-05-2014 10:29AM

asdfgh86 wrote: »

That wasn't Rodgers. On the other hand, Aspas, Moses, Alberto

It wasn't Rodergs, but I meant more the general view of 'they are in positions of authority, they have a huge amount of experience in the game, they must know a whole lot more than me'

The Carroll one still flabbergasts me to this day. I don't think anyone thought it was a good idea at the time, I don't think anyone even thought it was an ok idea, and we were laughing stocks even before he had kicked a ball. It is probably one of the most inexplicable decisions ever made in football and I don't think that's hyperbolic. It would probably be like signing Lallana for 50m

Definitely shattered my belief that those is charge are going to always have better judgement than the fairly casual fan

Agueroooo · 14-05-2014 10:29AM

The way I see it is that everyone agrees Lallana is a quality player.

the problem lies with the £20-£25mil fee which puts this signing in a completely different bracket.
if we are willing to pay that sum then it sits uncomfortable with me not to go to other leagues with the same fee, and see what we could get.

it would be hard to argue that we couldn't find better than Lallana.

rob316 · 14-05-2014 10:30AM

If there was one defender we could sign I would pick Seamus Coleman all day long, he is outstanding and would be some player in our setup. Would never happen though.

Morzadec · 14-05-2014 10:32AM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

To be fair lads why are prices and figures being quoted . I don't give a damn about who BR buys . I just want him to get the players that fit his plan best and I'm happy .

Because we have a budget. We are not Man City

smileyj1987 · 14-05-2014 10:34AM

Morzadec wrote: »

Because we have a budget. We are not Man City

Let the finance men and women worry about that . I just want to see the club spend the money to the best of their ability .

MD1990 · 14-05-2014 10:34AM

Lallana is a leader & captain of Southampton so that rises his price a bit.Maybe we could offer them Assaidi as part of the deal.
25m could get us Alexis Sanchez since it is though Barca are will willing to let him go.

Chucky the tree · 14-05-2014 10:34AM

I'd like to see us sign some experienced title winners and players with some CL qualification. Hopefully it won't just be more guys like Lalana for the summer.

rob316 · 14-05-2014 10:37AM

Just get the deal done, if they are willing to pay £20m and Southampton want £25m just do it. If we let it drag out and he has very good World Cup his stock will rise further and we will face a battle to sign him.

If Rodgers wants that player he has earned to right to get that player. I cant judge Rodgers on his transfers so far as I don't really know how much of his choice they were but on the back of a great season, he should have carte blanche on his targets. He knows they type of football he wants to play and knows the type of players to fit it.

Morzadec · 14-05-2014 10:37AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Thats a ringing endorsement but I cannot agree. Mkhitaryan is a step above Lallana, is much more proven and experienced, has 40+ caps for his country, has played CL football, has regularly performed at the top level and is younger than Lallana.

Exactly. And had an excpetional season where he scored a ridiculous amount of goals. lallana has not had an expcetional season - he's had a very good one.

That is our worry. Mikhitaryan is the type of quality you hope to get for 20-25m, and we are not extolling him because he is Armenian and it would be so cool and trenfy to have a player from that country with such an unpronouncable name.

No, it's because he has (had last season) a track record significantly more impressive than Lallana, and at a younger age too.

billy2012 · 14-05-2014 10:38AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'd like to see us sign some experienced title winners and players with some CL qualification. Hopefully it won't just be more guys like Lalana for the summer.

Ashley Cole!!!

NukaCola · 14-05-2014 10:38AM

For 20-25m your looking at a top quality player that walks into our first 11. I'm not sure Lallana does that.

If we cant find a player of that quality for that money then we should look at replacing our recruitment team.

Agent Coulson · 14-05-2014 10:38AM

Wayne Rooney's placing in that table mike65 put up really surprises me.

mike65 · 14-05-2014 10:38AM

Morzadec wrote: »

Because we have a budget. We are not Man City

Liverpool could have a bigger budget than City this summer, depending on what happens in the next few days.

We don't know how much is available - 60m is the amount I've seen mentioned but that's guesswork and could be gross or net. Or Suarez gets sold *cough* and everything is in the air!

djPSB · 14-05-2014 10:41AM

Morzadec wrote: »

I used to subscribe to this view.

Then Andy Carroll for 35m happened

And Stewy D.

Price tag adds alot of pressure for the player also.

Alot easier to come in like Sturridge/Coutinho for £12m than having a £25m price tag hanging over your head.

Dickerty · 14-05-2014 10:42AM

MD1990 wrote: »

Lallana is a leader & captain of Southampton so that rises his price a bit.Maybe we could offer them Assaidi as part of the deal.
25m could get us Alexis Sanchez since it is though Barca are will willing to let him go.

I'd prefer Lallana! Less risk, less temperamental, no need to change teh team to suit him.

Assaidi is a good call, I think he'll do better than Stoke after a very good season. Maybe Soton, maybe elsewhere, but certainly will contribute to the fee...

Kess73 · 14-05-2014 10:43AM

gafferino wrote: »

I actually agree with you on his qualities...its just the 20m-25m being quoted. You dont think thats too much?

I would prefer to get him for less, but I genuinely think he would turn out to be good enough to justify paying that bit extra to ensure we got him.

I think he could turn out to be a James Milner type signing. As in a signing that raised eyebrows and scoffs due to the initial transfer fee, but that turned out to be good enough to hold his own with the best players at the club.

If Lallana moved for say £25m, but a chunk of that £25m was dependant on Liverpool winning silverware/getting CL qualification etc., then I would be fine with that.

Bournemouth must be rubbing their hands with glee right now though. They get a nice chunk of any fee Southampton get thanks to the 25% clause they are said put in when Southampton got the then 12yo Lallana from Bournemouth's youth set up.

smileyj1987 · 14-05-2014 10:43AM

NukaCola wrote: »

For 20-25m your looking at a top quality player that walks into our first 11. I'm not sure Lallana does that.

If we cant find a player of that quality for that money then we should look at replacing our recruitment team.

You also have to think of the settling in period too . Lallana has premier league experience so that helps . But it is also about mentality and the will to win too . So there are a lot of factors when it comes to signing a player .

djPSB · 14-05-2014 10:46AM

rob316 wrote: »

Just get the deal done, if they are willing to pay £20m and Southampton want £25m just do it. If we let it drag out and he has very good World Cup his stock will rise further and we will face a battle to sign him.

If Rodgers wants that player he has earned to right to get that player. I cant judge Rodgers on his transfers so far as I don't really know how much of his choice they were but on the back of a great season, he should have carte blanche on his targets. He knows they type of football he wants to play and knows the type of players to fit it.

That's a flawed logic.

You only pay what the player is worth.

When that value is been exceeded, move onto the next target.

Chucky the tree · 14-05-2014 10:46AM

billy2012 wrote: »

Ashley Cole!!!

He doesn't have the fitness anymore to play regularly. I'd rather sign a left-back who will come in and start every game barring injury.

djPSB · 14-05-2014 10:47AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Wayne Rooney's placing in that table mike65 put up really surprises me.

He's getting mileage.

5live · 14-05-2014 10:47AM

Trigger and god on Today FM atm

Morzadec · 14-05-2014 10:48AM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Let the finance men and women worry about that . I just want to see the club spend the money to the best of their ability .

mike65 wrote: »

Liverpool could have a bigger budget than City this summer, depending on what happens in the next few days.

We don't know how much is available - 60m is the amount I've seen mentioned but that's guesswork and could be gross or net. Or Suarez gets sold *cough* and everything is in the air!

If we have a budget of 100m this season, then sure why not overspend on Lallana to about 25m if he's really the player Rodgers wants most in this position.

I am highly doubtful we have this amount.

We have other areas in the team that need strengthening and if we spend what wuld probably be 40% of our bidget on Lallana it is possible that the quality of recruits in other areas will suffer.

Also, if there is a plyer of Mikitaryan's (for example) quality out there available for the same price as Lallana, then going for the player who has proven he has more ability seems like a no-brainer for me.

If I was sure Lallana was the best we could do then I wouldn't mind overpaying a lot, but when that overpaying should probably allow you access to a better player then it's understandable that eyebrows are being raised

mike65 · 14-05-2014 10:48AM

5live wrote: »

Trigger and god on Today FM atm

So they are playing tonight?

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